Found Deceased LA - Jaren Lockhart, 22, New Orleans, 05 June 2012 - #4

[SmoothOperator]

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Originally Posted by bessie

It might be true that no one cared, but it wasn't the only reason for a delay. There were about 1400 Katrina related fatalities in New Orleans to deal with. The morgue on Tulane Avenue was destroyed, and the coroner's office was performing autopsies out of a temporary facility about 75 miles away from the city.

Ahhh yes.. thank you for reminding me that death was amidst the continued fallout from Katrina.. that does make sense as the likely reason for a delay..

Originally Posted by aviatrix

Unfortunately, as much as I hate to even write this, but I think it is fair -- cremations and funerals are expensive. If there was no life insurance for her - and I doubt there was -- transporting a body is not cheap. Even a cremation service can be over $5000. Yes, I am sorry that no one picked up her remains for a while -- but -- I think some of us can identify with not being able to come up with 5000 or more in one day. That is reality.

Yes you are correct that, that is reality and in such I will share a circumstance within my own family where this exact point is somewhat strangely related..

As embarrassing as this is to tell on my fathers side of the family who we have sadly been pretty much estranged from since my dad died when I was 13.. it definitely was not ffrom lack of trying on my moms part to keep myself, my mom and sister a part of my dads family's lives.. anyhoo my dads ONLY AUNT died just a few years back. .she had grown quite frail and could no longer live on her own.. her only son who I will say is a nutjob finally stepped up to the plate and actually had her brought to Texas to live wwith him and his gazillionth wife.. well his incessant need for speed and life in the fast lane involved in professional car racing IMO left her pretty much neglected and within a year sshe was in the hospital and quickly passed from pneumonia ..my fathers family are all originally from a small northeastern Mississippi town 100+ miles south of us here in Memphis..

Long story short my cuckoo "cousin", my poor great aunts only child was dead set on not spending any more than necessary for any/all arrangements for her and knew that once hher body was back to their hometown that my fathers family would take care of all burial arrangements and funding.. don't even ask me how because to this very daywe do not know the particulars of how he was even able to do what he did(moo obviously knew someone or paid a small amount under the table to someone) ..but I kid you not this man loaded my poor aunts body, his mothers body into the back ofhis SUV and he flat out drove her from Texas to Mississippi! ..all to save a buck.. needless to say mortified does not even begin to describe everyone's reaction..

This i swear to you as true and only occurred within the last 5 years!

[saralsim]

You may be on to something...maybe it's the therapy guys mom they've been interviewing, which would explain her statements that her son is not the kind to get in trouble. Or she is delusional. IMO

Originally Posted by JurysOut

I think we determined that the therapy guy is a different person, which has always led me to question if Speaks is his actual name.

[aconcernedcitizen]

Originally Posted by saralsim

You may be on to something...maybe it's the therapy guys mom they've been interviewing, which would explain her statements that her son is not the kind to get in trouble. Or she is delusional. IMO

Is it not possible that TS was a therapist? He had to do something to support himself. Does anyone else think it's odd to have that map from NC to San Diego on that site since he was there?

[Crawdaddy]

MOO

I predict MAS will have a drugs overdose.

TS is in the system with short eyes. He will probably not make it to testify on the JL case.

We will never find out anything about Rose and her boyfriend.

I hope that I'm wrong about all of these things and that there is a trial with a clear explanation of why JL was so horribly mistreated.

[SmoothOperator]

Originally Posted by Crawdaddy

MOO

I predict MAS will have a drugs overdose.

TS is in the system with short eyes. He will probably not make it to testify on the JL case.

We will never find out anything about Rose and her boyfriend.

I hope that I'm wrong about all of these things and that there is a trial with a clear explanation of why JL was so horribly mistreated.

Im unfamiliar with what short eyes means? And his not making it to trial? ..as far as Margaret goes as long as they can charge in Jaren's case i see nno drug overdose.. but be that as it may that she sshould not soon be charged with involvement in Jaren's case she IMO will make bail and an overdose i could forsee..but what is the short eyes reference regarding speaks?

[SmoothOperator]

Originally Posted by Crab trap

http://www.wapt.com/news/mississippi...1/-/index.html

It was a guy from Denham Springs camping with buddies. Not in any way related to this case. Only thing interesting about it: shows unlike what most locals believe would have happened with the tides around here, this guy's body was at Bucaneer and was carried west (to the Slipper area/Lakesore) as opposed to east. So since her body was found at the border of Waveland and BSL, she could have been put in behind the the Hollywood Casino and drifted
west. The crazy wind and rain didn't come until late the Fri after she was found and was all weekend.

Hmmm. Thanks for this info and very interesting about the tides actually bringing his body opposite of what many would think therefore making for totally different locales as to where her body parts could have been put into the water..

[Woe.be.gone]

Originally Posted by MrsBungi

I found a court document with Addies birthday on it!

Mods if this is not okay please delete! (sorry in advance)

http://www.opcso.org/dcktmstr/dmdsps...?d1scnn=743962

pretty sure its her! This is all I have found so far!

Thank you!
This confirms how Addie spelled her formal name and that she was 30 when she was murdered. Also it confirms her middle initial.
It never dawned on me to look up her police record. Good thinking!

[Woe.be.gone]

Originally Posted by misplacedcajun

http://ncperson.org/gateway-baptist-church-cemetery.htm

12. Adriane MATHIAS / HALL / Jan 15 1976-Oct 5 2006 / Poet / (fs) AMH

Wow, this is getting more confusing by the minute. Is this her grave?
So the 'M' stands for her paternal grandmother's maiden name.
OMG - I think we can pinpoint who her brother is then too (but we won't).

[Woe.be.gone]

Originally Posted by aconcernedcitizen

Hall has an older brother who is the same age as TS but so far I have not been able to connect the 2 yet. would be interesting to see if TS grew up in NC if they maybe went to the same school or paths did cross...

I'd love to see a picture of Addie Hall's 39 year old brother.
As far as I can tell, we don't have an inkling of her mother's name.
Not so, for the brother - but just an inkling.

[Annie1004]

Originally Posted by aconcernedcitizen

Is it not possible that TS was a therapist? He had to do something to support himself. Does anyone else think it's odd to have that map from NC to San Diego on that site since he was there?

I saw that weeks ago and was sure it is the same person because the ministries was prison-related. He could have been a rehab counselor, which doesn't require a degree, just experience probably picked up in prison, IMO.

[Woe.be.gone]

Originally Posted by aconcernedcitizen

Is it not possible that TS was a therapist? He had to do something to support himself. Does anyone else think it's odd to have that map from NC to San Diego on that site since he was there?

I assumed that's the TCS in Jaren's case. He's been living as a con man for many, many years now imo.
Somehow he was able to hide behind that stupid looking advertisement to explain what he was doing to make money.
He's 39 yo and has no job occupation history related to him.

[Woe.be.gone]

Originally Posted by rhapsdy

But I thought it was established that his (TS's) real legal name IS Terry Christopher Speaks?

We know his name was TCS from the time of his first felony at least.
Also, someone mentioned TCS's father. I can't find a link to the someone who may be TCS's father.
Nor can I differentiate two separate TCS's in and around North Carolina. dunno.

[bessie]

Originally Posted by Annie1004

I saw that weeks ago and was sure it is the same person because the ministries was prison-related. He could have been a rehab counselor, which doesn't require a degree, just experience probably picked up in prison, IMO.

LWPM is an "exclusive provider" drug rehabilitation facility. TCS was the one and only "therapist". His credentials: Christian Counselor (actually misspelled as "counsilor)

Now that I've had time to research it, I think y'all are right. Same guy. But...since we're not sure, don't use names of the person or the business/organization.

http://npidb.org/organizations/manag...235439159.aspx

[bessie]

Originally Posted by SmoothOperator

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Ahhh yes.. thank you for reminding me that death was amidst the continued fallout from Katrina.. that does make sense as the likely reason for a delay...

No, I have to apologize. Addie died in 2006, not 2005. I don't know what I was thinking. I find myself making that kind of mistake often because those first two or three years post-K all run together in my mind. It's all one big blur.

[MrsBungi]

Originally Posted by Crawdaddy

MOO

I predict MAS will have a drugs overdose.

TS is in the system with short eyes. He will probably not make it to testify on the JL case.

We will never find out anything about Rose and her boyfriend.

I hope that I'm wrong about all of these things and that there is a trial with a clear explanation of why JL was so horribly mistreated.

Call me ignorant but what does "short eyes" mean?

[stormsurge]

Originally Posted by bessie

No, I have to apologize. Addie died in 2006, not 2005. I don't know what I was thinking. I find myself making that kind of mistake often because those first two or three years post-K all run together in my mind. It's all one big blur.

OT, but relevant to this.

I remember some time in October 05 watching TV and they were talking about Brad Pitts divorce from Jennifer Aniston being finalized. I was still so deep in the throes of Katrina that I truthfully thought they had been divorced for over a year at that point.

[gngr~snap]

Originally Posted by MrsBungi

Call me ignorant but what does "short eyes" mean?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...m=short%20eyes

pedophiles?... (I think)

[MrsBungi]

http://www.thompsoncares.com/sitemak...650901Lockhart

Why does it say JL died on the 7th?

If she passed on the 7th that means these freaks had way more time to do with JL as they pleased! This makes me sick....whoever did this, karma will get you and you will recieve will be 10 times worse than what you did!!!!

[MrsBungi]

Originally Posted by gngr~snap

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...m=short%20eyes

pedophiles?... (I think)

Thank you!!

I should have just googled it...use the noggin LOL!

[SurfieTX]

Originally Posted by MrsBungi

http://www.thompsoncares.com/sitemak...650901Lockhart

Why does it say JL died on the 7th?

If she passed on the 7th that means these freaks had way more time to do with JL as they pleased! This makes me sick....whoever did this, karma will get you and you will recieve will be 10 times worse than what you did!!!!

I think that is when he remains washed ashore, and that's the reason for the date. I don't think they know exactly when she was killed.

[Vann]

Originally Posted by aconcernedcitizen

Is it not possible that TS was a therapist? He had to do something to support himself. Does anyone else think it's odd to have that map from NC to San Diego on that site since he was there?

That's why I found that site so interesting. I've read many post here about where he lived and when he was in jail but nothing about employment over the years.

[MrsBungi]

Originally Posted by SurfieTX

I think that is when he remains washed ashore, and that's the reason for the date. I don't think they know exactly when she was killed.

Thanks I wasn't sure and it never hurts to ask. It just left me !

[Vann]

Originally Posted by bessie

LWPM is an "exclusive provider" drug rehabilitation facility. TCS was the one and only "therapist". His credentials: Christian Counselor (actually misspelled as "counsilor)

Now that I've had time to research it, I think y'all are right. Same guy. But...since we're not sure, don't use names of the person or the business/organization.

http://npidb.org/organizations/manag...235439159.aspx

Sorry Bessie I got so excited when I caught the coincidence between the two sites that I wanted to share the info with everyone.

[LadyBug86]

http://www.wapt.com/news/mississippi...1/-/index.html

WOW kinda makes you wonder if one of those women were MAS!

I guess it probably wasnt but I guess anythings possible!

[LadyBug86]

Originally Posted by Nolaallycat

I just finished the book "Shake the Devil Off". Addie seemed to have more male friends than female and MAS was not mentioned/interviewed even once. Her remains remained at the the city morgue for months until her family came to receive them. There was no mention of her parents name at all. Dreadful story, really.

just trying to see if I understand this correctly...

the book you read...was it about Addie Hall?

I'm assuming so but just making sure...

If so I may want to read it...

Can you tell me who writes it and what it was about briefly please? THANKS

About how many pages/chapters is it?