Armchair psych profile and personal background

[Scientific]

Me personally: I can "read" people really well (that was tested a lot since I was in the sex industry and dated some screwed up guys when I was younger). I don't think Luka would have fooled me for a moment (not in person. over the phone or online, possibly). But I do believe he was able to fool a lot of people when he felt like being "charming". My original point was that he seems to have avoided people when possible but then acted when he needed something from someone. The point WAS NOT that I thought his eyes were sparkling or that he had a convincing smile or that there was genuine kindness in his gestures. Further, I'm assuming that he lured Jun back to his place somehow (never believed that they were lovers in a serious sense of the term), yet Jun was a really bright guy. That in itself implies some ability to charm. One of his exes said he was a good actor; he was in the sex industry which is all about acting and entertaining; and as we mostly all seem to agree he was sociopathic. What do classic sociopaths do? They charm when they want something. And most people, unfortunately, fall for it. Most people just want to see a smile on someone's face, a gesture of acceptance.

Originally Posted by thedissent

Fair enough. I can't say how I would have regarded him otherwise as a serial animal torturer and murderer. I find so much about his demeanour superficial and insincere. Like the "plastic surgery" try out video. I mean, the whole thing seemed like a major trolling effort (two bumps that look like horns?!).

[Mbshafeena]

Originally Posted by thedissent

I don't think we have any credible evidence yet that there is an accomplice.

Police located the final remains of Jun Lin in Montreal.

LE say it came from a "tip", which really could have from any number of sources:

• an anonymous tip from a random person who discovered the remains
• a non-anonymous tip from a random person who discovered the remains
• an anonymous tip from a non-random person who LRM has communicated with, but who played no role in the crime.
• an non-anonymous tip from a non-random person who LRM has communicated with, but who played no role in the crime.
• an anonymous tip potentially from LRM's legal team (LRM disclosed to his lawyers the location of the remains)
• no tip, just police work via data from LRM's computer, phone, apartment, phone conversations, or any number of other sources
• indirectly from LRM, who may have disclosed location to a police informant while in jail in Canada (or Germany).
• directly from LRM, who may have disclosed location to LE as a means to garner some advantage in sentencing if he pleads guilty

There are likely more options, but those are just a few that do not require us to complicate things and hypothesize accomplices and third parties, where there is no evidence for it, at least yet.

It will probably come out during the trial. My personal feeling is that they found something on his computer, they did retrieve that, which led them to the location of that specific park. I don't think there is a person who would have provided a "tip" in that sense and I don't think LM disclosed to the police, even though he was questioned. I think he is too much of a piece of art (insert the "s" word instead of "art") to divulge this or come clean about it. No he would have felt power by not divulging this and knowing that everyone wanted and needed this piece of information. He probably was quite smug and thought they would never find the head which would mean to him that he had trumped everybody.

[Mozzmo]

Originally Posted by Scientific

Me personally: I can "read" people really well (that was tested a lot since I was in the sex industry and dated some screwed up guys when I was younger). I don't think Luka would have fooled me for a moment (not in person. over the phone or online, possibly). But I do believe he was able to fool a lot of people when he felt like being "charming". My original point was that he seems to have avoided people when possible but then acted when he needed something from someone. The point WAS NOT that I thought his eyes were sparkling or that he had a convincing smile or that there was genuine kindness in his gestures. Further, I'm assuming that he lured Jun back to his place somehow (never believed that they were lovers in a serious sense of the term), yet Jun was a really bright guy. That in itself implies some ability to charm. One of his exes said he was a good actor; he was in the sex industry which is all about acting and entertaining; and as we mostly all seem to agree he was sociopathic. What do classic sociopaths do? They charm when they want something. And most people, unfortunately, fall for it. Most people just want to see a smile on someone's face, a gesture of acceptance.

Maybe there is just a difference in the semantics people would use to describe LM. When I've said I don't find him charming, I don't mean that he's totally void of charm, just noticeably void of it. When you consider the mentality of that St. Denis woman, she's clearly very juvenile in her thinking and very likely does find charm in LM. Still I consider her an abberation because she's so messed up, she couldn't even definitively say she would stop her contact with him even though she acknowledged realizing LM is a psychopath. IMO, LM could be "seductive"...probably for many of his older paying clients...and maybe even for JL who had language/cross cultural barriers that may have not alerted him as readily as others. I believe the paying customers were more interested in his twink/waif-like appearance, his body/sex...then they were in his personality. I believe the one escort review that has been found about him, described him as a dead fish in bed. This was also corroborated by an exgf of his. Just seems that most anything beyond his physical attractiveness fell flat. If you consider psychopaths that are CEO's, they would be much more likely to have higher levels of charisma. They have to get many people to do things above and beyond the call of duty as to attain the level of success they crave, (not much different then LM's rabid hunger for fame) and this IMO takes a higher level of or more sophisticated charm/charisma in terms of consistently getting others to do as you want, exquisitely reading and manipulating their feelings/psychology... and keeping them under the spell of the charm. LM may have had limited charm with a limited few, but overall I believe he lacked. It is what makes me tend to believe he very well be sociopathic rather then psychopathic.

[Tucarra]

Originally Posted by sillybilly

OT, but don't know where to put it:

Why is THIS pic showing up with an article on computer virus?

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Rans...470/story.html

Good question...but PERHAPS it's not an accident that the picture is of station 25 in Berlin..?

A virus called 'Ransomware' that appeared on Canada Day asking for $100 to remove it...?

Not to be overly suspicious but could it be related to a "6th delivery" by LRM and part of his 'motivation' to achieve 'fame and fortune' per his alleged thread under blUNJBxk on 5/30?

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...ient=firefox-a

Note posting at 22:08:47....just wondering...?

[Tucarra]

Originally Posted by Tucarra

Good question...but PERHAPS it's not an accident that the picture is of station 25 in Berlin..?

A virus called 'Ransomware' that appeared on Canada Day asking for $100 to remove it...?

Not to be overly suspicious but could it be related to a "6th delivery" by LRM and part of his 'motivation' to achieve 'fame and fortune' per his alleged thread under blUNJBxk on 5/30?

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...ient=firefox-a

Note posting at 22:08:47....just wondering...?

Correction to above...Ransomware Virus on July 4th

[thedissent]

Originally Posted by Tucarra

Good question...but PERHAPS it's not an accident that the picture is of station 25 in Berlin..?

A virus called 'Ransomware' that appeared on Canada Day asking for $100 to remove it...?

Not to be overly suspicious but could it be related to a "6th delivery" by LRM and part of his 'motivation' to achieve 'fame and fortune' per his alleged thread under blUNJBxk on 5/30?

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...ient=firefox-a

Note posting at 22:08:47....just wondering...?

Are you suggesting LRM created a computer virus?

LRM sought "fame and fortune" through the murder and kill video. There is absolutely no evidence that LRM had any kind of advanced coding, programming, or even computer manipulation skills (other than making really cheesy and awful YouTube videos).

So yeah... I'm pretty use of the photo in that story is an accident.

[italianWSfan]

Sorry for being off topic, but I dont know where to put this.
Copycats starting their work already. In November last year a man was murdered and dismembered in Germany, body parts were disposed in a lake. The killer got caught in April. Now a facebook profile of the killers name went viral, posting morbid stuff... The profile linked for example to an article of Jun Lins head being found and amongst the "likes" is also the profile "Luka Magnotta".

I know this doesnt fit in here, but I just thought I let you know.

I dont want to live on this planet anymore.
People are making fun out of murdered vicims, not considering the consequences and that the victims have friends and family too.

[Tucarra]

Originally Posted by thedissent

Are you suggesting LRM created a computer virus?

LRM sought "fame and fortune" through the murder and kill video. There is absolutely no evidence that LRM had any kind of advanced coding, programming, or even computer manipulation skills (other than making really cheesy and awful YouTube videos).

So yeah... I'm pretty use of the photo in that story is an accident.

Just wondering...and have zero personal knowledge of coding or anything...but he was huge internet solicitor....possible that he 'bought/got" a virus 'ransomware' program...???...

Just kinda weird the 'holiday' timings of the "Killing" Victoria Day, May 25 ("National Missing Children's Day"), Memorial Day/Memorial Day Weekend, Canada Day ("tip" on head location"), and then this Virus shows up July 4th?...

Maybe getting to caught up in symbolism here?...anyway...threw it out there....

[sillybilly]

Originally Posted by Tucarra

Correction to above...Ransomware Virus on July 4th

As per the article i posted, the virus is set to take effect July 9 but it has nothing to do with LRM ... it is a malware virus that was discovered/announced last November and its authors were arrested. At that time, the FBI put special servers in place to redirect computers away from the virus. All that is happening on July 9 is that the FBI safety net of servers is going offline (not sure why they can't just remain ad infinitum, but presumably there is a reason).

[Tucarra]

Originally Posted by sillybilly

As per the article i posted, the virus is set to take effect July 9 but it has nothing to do with LRM ... it is a malware virus that was discovered/announced last November and its authors were arrested. At that time, the FBI put special servers in place to redirect computers away from the virus. All that is happening on July 9 is that the FBI safety net of servers is going offline (not sure why they can't just remain ad infinitum, but presumably there is a reason).

Ok...thank you for additional info...guess the question still remains on why the gaffe of that photo ...?

Appreciate the input....

[TempleDrake]

I don't know if anyone has addressed it yet, but North American phones have a different ring when they are being used in Europe. Rather than the traditional single ring, a phone in Paris or Berlin would have a quick double ring. The ring that appears in the video is proof that it was not Magnotta's phone, and that whoever this phone belonged to and was answered by was situated in the US or Canada during the call.

[sillybilly]

Thinking of 'all things Canadian', do we know what / when LRM's first ever porn film was or if streetbait 669 was the first one?

Reason I'm asking is that a Canadian man, well known in the gay / bisexual porn industry, Trey D was the director of the streetbait flics (and IMO ... the main 'actor', having a romp grande with all the newbie porn actors). I have not watched the vids, but have seen enough (really!!) that i am of the impression that TD is the one having all the fun. TD has a Canadian flag tattooed on his chest, and I'm toying with the idea that if streetbait 669 was LRM's first foray into the porn film biz, Vancouver and the Canadian flag may represent him being dragged into the industry in a minor role that never took him anywhere ... but down.

Just something else to consider ..

ETA: Sorry, i think that should be streetbait 996

[Sigh Sister]

Found this :

http://www.sahara.beautiful-world.or...e_gdata_player

It's a short clip about the German cannibal that was posted in1999. User "pickled smarty" comments on video saying "Luka Magnotta much". Eric Clinton didn't change his name to Luka Magnotta until 2006, right? So he was trying as far back as 1999 (at least) to create the Luka persona and was connecting the name with a cannibal.

[Sigh Sister]

Weird!! The comments are gone!

[Mozzmo]

Originally Posted by Sigh Sister

Found this :

http://www.sahara.beautiful-world.or...e_gdata_player

It's a short clip about the German cannibal that was posted in1999. User "pickled smarty" comments on video saying "Luka Magnotta much". Eric Clinton didn't change his name to Luka Magnotta until 2006, right? So he was trying as far back as 1999 (at least) to create the Luka persona and was connecting the name with a cannibal.

Interesting video clip. I have heard about that murder before. Anyways, when I pull up the link I don't see the comment by pickled smarty, I see others comments, just not that one...

[Sigh Sister]

Originally Posted by Mozzmo

Interesting video clip. I have heard about that murder before. Anyways, when I pull up the link I don't see the comment by pickled smarty, I see others comments, just not that one...

So bizarre. I see other comments now, but not that one.

[Sigh Sister]

Don't know what's going on. Pickledsmarty has a YouTube account and has the video posted there, and the comments are the same as the ones from 1999, but they are showing as being recent. So confused....

(sorry that I can't give the YT link. I'm on an iPad using a YT app and can't figure out how to get the URL to show up so that I can copy it.)

[sinwonderland]

Originally Posted by Sigh Sister

Found this :

http://www.sahara.beautiful-world.or...e_gdata_player

It's a short clip about the German cannibal that was posted in1999. User "pickled smarty" comments on video saying "Luka Magnotta much". Eric Clinton didn't change his name to Luka Magnotta until 2006, right? So he was trying as far back as 1999 (at least) to create the Luka persona and was connecting the name with a cannibal.

Not sure why the date is 1999.... Armin Meiwes (the German cannibal in the video) met his victim in 2001 and wasn't arrested until 2002.

Also, the man Meiwes killed and ate wanted this to happen. The whole thing was videotaped. Meiwes had let several other people go after backing out of their 'fantasy' at the last minute. There's a lot more info on him that's interesting but this isn't the place for it. Anyway, the video of him wasn't made until after 2004 (when he was sentenced).

[Sigh Sister]

Ok. I'm done. Armin Meiws (sp?) didn't kill the man until 2001. Weirdness of the internet.....

[ToBeHonest]

There's been some discussion about LM pleading not guilty and wanting to go to trial, return to Canada because he 'trusts' Canada's judicial system, his motivation being to get attention, but what are the other motivations when the evidence against him seems so compelling?

I read this on his personal website under the tag for 'judicial system'--he plagiarized it, but I still think he believed the spirit of what he posted and did not have the ability to perhaps express himself. I feel the line I have underlined in this paragraph from LM's site may be very telling as to why he wants a jury trial--that he may think some unknown truth will be found and he will get a fairer judgment by doing so:

"The main flaw of the criminal justice system is that it is inherently adversarial which means the state attorney (prosecutor) and the defense attorney care about winning, not truth-seeking. Truth-seeking is the job for the judge and jury, but most cases (maybe 95%) settle outside of trial. Most people in the legal system will tell you its about who can put on the best show."

Just my speculation, of course, as it all is.

[Shimmers]

Originally Posted by ToBeHonest

There's been some discussion about LM pleading not guilty and wanting to go to trial, return to Canada because he 'trusts' Canada's judicial system, his motivation being to get attention, but what are the other motivations when the evidence against him seems so compelling?

I read this on his personal website under the tag for 'judicial system'--he plagiarized it, but I still think he believed the spirit of what he posted and did not have the ability to perhaps express himself. I feel the line I have underlined in this paragraph from LM's site may be very telling as to why he wants a jury trial--that he may think some unknown truth will be found and he will get a fairer judgment by doing so:

"The main flaw of the criminal justice system is that it is inherently adversarial which means the state attorney (prosecutor) and the defense attorney care about winning, not truth-seeking. Truth-seeking is the job for the judge and jury, but most cases (maybe 95%) settle outside of trial. Most people in the legal system will tell you its about who can put on the best show."

Just my speculation, of course, as it all is.

I think you quite hit something there. Evidence present or not, he could play out the jury with a finetuned act, deviding them regarding their verdict. Correct me if I am wrong, but the jury determines whether your guilty or not and the judge gives you the associated punishment when you're found guilty?

Are there cases known where the jury said " not guilty" and the judge stepped in and convicted the accused anyway? Or is that by law not done and could never happen? Sorry, but I'm not very familair with judge/jury system, in my country we only have judges ( 1 or 3 depending on the profile of the case )

[TempleDrake]

I spoke recently with an FBI agent who had worked briefly on this case when LE was looking into whether or not Magnotta was in California, and we discussed the not guilty plea. He says he has never heard of a suspect in a case like this pleading guilty when first arrested- a guilty plea would leave no room for bargaining and no chance at any sort of reduced sentence.... It is apparently very typical and totally expected.

[pannekoek]

Originally Posted by sillybilly

Thinking of 'all things Canadian', do we know what / when LRM's first ever porn film was or if streetbait 996 was the first one?

<snipsnip>

That was his first porn film, made in 2003. On this site there's a list with all his films...

http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfi...o-Magnotta.htm

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Originally Posted by TempleDrake

I spoke recently with an FBI agent who had worked briefly on this case when LE was looking into whether or not Magnotta was in California, and we discussed the not guilty plea. He says he has never heard of a suspect in a case like this pleading guilty when first arrested- a guilty plea would leave no room for bargaining and no chance at any sort of reduced sentence.... It is apparently very typical and totally expected.

Agreed! And in Canada (I don't know about elsewhere) a person merely has to say "not guilty" before the trial. When the trial begins, he can add whatever he wants - not guilty by reason of insanity, not guilty because I ate a Twinkie, not guilty because my religion made me do it, not guilty because I was defending myself, etc.

So, there's a LOT yet to come.

[No_Stone_Unturned]

And further to my post just above - I was speaking to some people today about the "tip" which led LE to the head.

After our conversations, I'm kinda thinking that perhaps he DID make a deal in order to get a 'soft prison'. We know he's going to want internet and to be protected from other prisoners. Maybe he did make a deal by giving up the location of the head in order to protect himself later.



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ETA: His lawyer COULD NOT have contacted LE about the location of the head. That would put the lawyer in a terrible position with the Law Society Of Canada. This is different than the Karla Homolka mess-up. Her lawyer was IN POSSESSION OF EVIDENCE (a video tape). So, previous comparisons are not applicable in this case.