FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #22

[imamaze]

Michelle (Shelly) Parker has been missing since November 17, 2011. She dropped off her twins with their father, who she is not married to and no one has seen her since.
She last had contact with her brother on November 17, around 4:30pm. It was a text she was in Waterford. A search is underway. Her cellphone powered off at 8:08pm 11/17.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/police...g-woman/nFg3d/


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timeline from the examiner:http://www.examiner.com/article/time...-disappearance

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[Salem]

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[Thor]

Originally Posted by Jazzmaster View Post
I appreciate your honesty! I think we know what we know and what we don't know will be revealed soon enough...if you research Dale's social media you will learn a LOT about how he thinks or more importantly how he doesn't think before his temper gets the best of him. That may come in handy behind bars. Bubba's waiting for his Cowboy JMO

Hey Jazz ... this particular issue reminds me of the following:

The Unknown
As we know,
There are known knowns.
There are things we know we know.
We also know
There are known unknowns.
That is to say
We know there are some things
We do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns,
The ones we don't know
We don't know.

-D.H. Rumsfeld
—Feb. 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing

Just saying

[Jazzmaster]

Originally Posted by Thor

Hey Jazz ... this particular issue reminds me of the following:

The Unknown
As we know,
There are known knowns.
There are things we know we know.
We also know
There are known unknowns.
That is to say
We know there are some things
We do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns,
The ones we don't know
We don't know.

-D.H. Rumsfeld
—Feb. 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing

Just saying

Thanks now I can sleep well tonight...lol

If you were Dale where would you hide Michelle? My knitting group will meet tomorrow to update our maps. Any suggestions?

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Jazzmaster

Thanks now I can sleep well tonight...lol

If you were Dale where would you hide Michelle? My knitting group will meet tomorrow to update our maps. Any suggestions?

Jazz, I would refer you to a previous post of mine as to what a likely location would look like in my opinion.

As to a particular location looking at the map I'm afraid right now I don't have that kind of energy and as I said a physical acquaintance with a particular area is much more preferable. I will take a look at the map and if you'd like we can compare notes in the near future, moreover I do have a great deal of confidence in your know how in respect to this issue and I believe that perhaps this is the most pertinent way to help solving this crime I just wish many more of you down there in the Orlando area would volunteer their time in looking for Michelle and that would be infinitely more useful that what me and others believe or not believe. Keep up the good work on your search.

[SleuthDecay]

I was just looking at Orange County property records. Not sure how to link to it, but Dale bought his condo in April, 2009 for $210,300. The current appraised value is $85,263. Does anyone know if he originally bought the condo with Michelle and the kids in mind? Or did he buy it when he and Michelle were broken up? The condo is in his name only.

[Jazzmaster]

Originally Posted by SleuthDecay

I was just looking at Orange County property records. Not sure how to link to it, but Dale bought his condo in April, 2009 for $210,300. The current appraised value is $85,263. Does anyone know if he originally bought the condo with Michelle and the kids in mind? Or did he buy it when he and Michelle were broken up? The condo is in his name only.

Either way I bet he blamed Michelle for that...she has his car, he had the house payment on a condo worth a third of what he paid for it...and was paying her support for the twinners (well when he actually paid)...add in the lost engagement ring and Dale was one unhappy shirtless cowboy. I bet he planned this disappear long ago. Probably even used the PC episode to embarrass her before killing her IMO. If you watch the end of the show with the interview you see Dale's thoughts of killing her right on the screen. All JMO

[Jazzmaster]

Originally Posted by Thor

Jazz, I would refer you to a previous post of mine as to what a likely location would look like in my opinion.

As to a particular location looking at the map I'm afraid right now I don't have that kind of energy and as I said a physical acquaintance with a particular area is much more preferable. I will take a look at the map and if you'd like we can compare notes in the near future, moreover I do have a great deal of confidence in your know how in respect to this issue and I believe that perhaps this is the most pertinent way to help solving this crime I just wish many more of you down there in the Orlando area would volunteer their time in looking for Michelle and that would be infinitely more useful that what me and others believe or not believe. Keep up the good work on your search.

I refer you to this: Dale did it JK. Though I never met Michelle I feel called to help find her and fight for justice. I will not give up until we find her!

[SleuthDecay]

Originally Posted by Jazzmaster

Either way I bet he blamed Michelle for that...she has his car, he had the house payment on a condo worth a third of what he paid for it...and was paying her support for the twinners (well when he actually paid)...add in the lost engagement ring and Dale was one unhappy shirtless cowboy. I bet he planned this disappear long ago. Probably even used the PC episode to embarrass her before killing her IMO. If you watch the end of the show with the interview you see Dale's thoughts of killing her right on the screen. All JMO

[BBM]
Yeah, this is exactly what I was thinking.

[artzypantz]

Originally Posted by Jazzmaster

Either way I bet he blamed Michelle for that...she has his car, he had the house payment on a condo worth a third of what he paid for it...and was paying her support for the twinners (well when he actually paid)...add in the lost engagement ring and Dale was one unhappy shirtless cowboy. I bet he planned this disappear long ago. Probably even used the PC episode to embarrass her before killing her IMO. If you watch the end of the show with the interview you see Dale's thoughts of killing her right on the screen. All JMO

WOWee! I dont have sound on my computer as somethings broken, and i never got to watch the PC episode because of it!

BBM above Can you provide a transcript for this part and explain what makes you think this??

thanks in advance!
Artzy

[Jazzmaster]

Originally Posted by artzypantz

WOWee! I dont have sound on my computer as somethings broken, and i never got to watch the PC episode because of it!

BBM above Can you provide a transcript for this part and explain what makes you think this??

thanks in advance!
Artzy

For me it was when the interviewer was talking about co-parenting saying to Dale they have a long future/ life together ahead... Dale says "yes we have the rest of our lives and as far as I'm concerned it's done." Hmmm Michelle went missing 5 months later. So the rest of their lives TOGETHER ended pretty quickly after Dale said "It's done"....the look on Dale's face tells all! JMO in that moment he KNEW what Michelle's fate was going to be. After all he already warned Michelle that "her day was coming soon"...Dale unfortunately kept THAT promise

[artzypantz]

Originally Posted by Jazzmaster

For me it was when the interviewer was talking about co-parenting saying to Dale they have a long future/ life together ahead... Dale says "yes we have the rest of our lives and as far as I'm concerned it's done." Hmmm Michelle went missing 5 months later. So the rest of their lives TOGETHER ended pretty quickly after Dale said "It's done"....the look on Dale's face tells all! JMO in that moment he KNEW what Michelle's fate was going to be. After all he already warned Michelle that "her day was coming soon"...Dale unfortunately kept THAT promise

thanks so much for your reply!

I remember some one talking about michelle sending him a text the night before the taping of the show, something about her wanting to get back together with dale. i thought he was saying " as far as im concerned its done " in context with michelle sending the text the night before saying she wanted back together, and he was refering to that text he was searching for and saying their relationship together was over and done, no more chances or getting back together type of stuff. I didnt get to put a look on the face together with any words said because of my computer situation tho, and that adds to alot at times.

But i dont really know because im only going off of what i have "heard" and "what was said about" the show, i never got to watch it with the sound.

I guess dale is the only one who knows the truth about what he meant by what he said. Maybe he didnt mean it the way i think, or the way you think, and maybe he was set off after watching the show the day michelle went missing. Its all speculation and view points for the time being untill he is proven guilty. Maybe if he is ever sitting in jail for MP disappearance he will tell the truth, if the truth is he meant what he said in that type of context.

I would really like to know what type of ranting and raving went on at the house between them when they lived together. He did seem to throw out alot of threats. I recall MP saying they ended up on the floor together crying after the fights. Those poor children im sure were on pins and needles when they fought! i can relate thru my own volitle childhood. So sad!

MOO

[Jazzmaster]

Things to ponder...We the people should be able to choose the cell mate for those who get convicted of a violent crime. Let the people speak When Dale gets convicted I vote that Dale should bunk with Jerry Sandusky...just sayin' MOO

[Kamille]

Originally Posted by Jazzmaster

Either way I bet he blamed Michelle for that...she has his car, he had the house payment on a condo worth a third of what he paid for it...and was paying her support for the twinners (well when he actually paid)...add in the lost engagement ring and Dale was one unhappy shirtless cowboy. I bet he planned this disappear long ago. Probably even used the PC episode to embarrass her before killing her IMO. If you watch the end of the show with the interview you see Dale's thoughts of killing her right on the screen. All JMO

I agree with your thoughts on all of the reason DSJr felt he had to be plenty angry with Michelle Jazzmaster.

To have all of these losses and then be reminded of them on that day due to the PC episode airing leads me to believe that the exchange between them that day after Michelle arrived was not a friendly one. If he was still willing to throw an old boyfriend in her face a year after she had dated him while they were out together having a good time, this indicates to me that he carries a grudge. And he seems to be impulsive and violent to me when he's angry.

LE claimed they named him the prime suspect due to evidence and witness statements. I wonder if there were any neighbours who came forward to state that they did hear some kind of argument between them that day.

MOO

[Kamille]

Originally Posted by SleuthDecay

I was just looking at Orange County property records. Not sure how to link to it, but Dale bought his condo in April, 2009 for $210,300. The current appraised value is $85,263. Does anyone know if he originally bought the condo with Michelle and the kids in mind? Or did he buy it when he and Michelle were broken up? The condo is in his name only.

According to Zillow, the condo was purchased in April 2008?

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/65...82238191_zpid/

I do think it was purchased for them to move into as a family once the twins were born. I've always wondered where he was living before that.

MOO

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Kamille

I agree with your thoughts on all of the reason DSJr felt he had to be plenty angry with Michelle Jazzmaster.

To have all of these losses and then be reminded of them on that day due to the PC episode airing leads me to believe that the exchange between them that day after Michelle arrived was not a friendly one. If he was still willing to throw an old boyfriend in her face a year after she had dated him while they were out together having a good time, this indicates to me that he carries a grudge. And he seems to be impulsive and violent to me when he's angry.

LE claimed they named him the prime suspect due to evidence and witness statements. I wonder if there were any neighbours who came forward to state that they did hear some kind of argument between them that day.

MOO

To my knowledge LE has made no claims as to the nature of any potential evidence and/or statements as they might relate to Dale or anyone else.

[Kamille]

Originally Posted by Thor

To my knowledge LE has made no claims as to the nature of any potential evidence and/or statements as they might relate to Dale or anyone else.

So they have evidence, tips etc and then they announce DSJr as the prime suspect. I used my common sense and logic to believe that perhaps that their evidence and tips relate to him.

MOO

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Kamille

So they have evidence, tips etc and then they announce DSJr as the prime suspect. I used my common sense and logic to believe that perhaps that their evidence and tips relate to him.

MOO

I simply made a correction on the facts as stated as opposite to my knowledge of them, specifically:"LE claimed they named him the prime suspect due to evidence and witness statements".

IMO it is a fact and not an issue of common sense that LE believes Dale might be involved in the disappearance since they have named it a suspect almost from the very beginning of the investigation, however LE has made no claims as to the reason that it is so, whether in relation to potential evidence or any statements made by anyone and that was the only point I made in relation to your original post.

[Jazzmaster]

Originally Posted by Thor

I simply made a correction on the facts as stated as opposite to my knowledge of them about "LE claimed they named him the prime suspect due to evidence and witness statements".

IMO it is not an issue of common sense that LE believes Dale might be involved in the disappearance since they have named it a suspect almost from the very beginning of the investigation, however LE has not made any claims as to the reason that it is so, whether in relation to potential evidence or any statements made by anyone and that was the only point I made in relation to your original post.

Why would LE name him the ONLY suspect if they had NO EVIDENCE? It MUST be pretty SUBSTANTIAL for them to name him SO early and continue to INSIST they have the right person. IMO they do have key evidence and witnesses. Also MOO...Just because that evidence hasn't been revealed through MSM doesn't mean it doesn't exist or that it hasn't been revealed to SOME people....BTW I highly doubt if some people had such info they would jeopardize an investigation by revealing it publicly.

[Jazzmaster]

I know a common defense tactic is to call charcter witnesses to show how a person couldn't have commited said crime because of their reputation and standing in the community. With Dale's poor reputation going back over 20 years of criminal behavior including a prior murder, beating several women, and threatening to kill and kidnap Michelle and her two twins...wonder if Dale even has anyone besides family that would vouch for his character. Because he lacks good charcter I would suspect the list of defense witnesses would be rather
Short. Jmo

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Jazzmaster

Why would LE name him the ONLY suspect if they had NO EVIDENCE? It MUST be pretty SUBSTANTIAL for them to name him SO early and continue to INSIST they have the right person. IMO they do have key evidence and witnesses. Also MOO...Just because that evidence hasn't been revealed through MSM doesn't mean it doesn't exist or that it hasn't been revealed to SOME people....BTW I highly doubt if some people had such info they would jeopardize an investigation by revealing it publicly.

IMO The significance is between facts and opinions and our perception of both, in this instance, it is important not to attribute to LE statements they did not make and that stands on its own.

Lastly and in my opinion, it is entirely reasonable to assume that there are valid reasons for LE to name Dale a suspect (at least I hope so) however as to what evidence and/or statements made by anyone caused LE to suspect Dale is a matter of opinion and not facts as such, unless I am mistaken (and I have been before) the only established evidence (circumstantial) that relates directly to the crime that I am aware of is that Dale was the last known person to have seen MP alive.

[Jazzmaster]

Originally Posted by Thor

IMO The significance is between facts and opinions and our perception of both, in this instance, it is important not to attribute to LE statements they did not make and that stands on its own.

Lastly and in my opinion, it is entirely reasonable to assume that there are valid reasons for LE to name Dale a suspect (at least I hope so) however as to what evidence and/or statements made by anyone caused LE to suspect Dale is a matter of opinion and not facts as such, unless I am mistaken (and I have been before) the only established evidence (circumstantial) that relates directly to the crime that I am aware of is that Dale was the last known person to have seen MP alive.

Ok there must be something getting lost in translation here. I'm lost but at my age sometimes that happens... It WAS an opinion! MOO was used by the poster which means "my own opinion" so I am not following why you are reiterating that it was someone's opinion and not fact...What am I missing?

[southern_comfort]

Originally Posted by Jazzmaster

Ok there must be something getting lost in translation here. I'm lost but at my age sometimes that happens... It WAS an opinion! MOO was used by the poster which means "my own opinion" so I am not following why you are reiterating that it was someone's opinion and not fact...What am I missing?

"LE claimed they named him the prime suspect due to the fact that they had no better person to pin it on, despite having no evidence. MOO!"

See the problem now?

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Jazzmaster

Ok there must be something getting lost in translation here. I'm lost but at my age sometimes that happens... It WAS an opinion! MOO was used by the poster which means "my own opinion" so I am not following why you are reiterating that it was someone's opinion and not fact...What am I missing?

I think that perhaps you might want to start with post # 14 and this quote:

"LE claimed they named him the prime suspect due to evidence and witness statements" where no such a statement was made by LE, at least to my knowledge.

It was a simple observation on the facts, but even on that we seem not to be in sync. Therefore I will agree to disagree on whatever related to this particular issue and I'll leave it at that.

[Jazzmaster]

Originally Posted by southern_comfort

"LE claimed they named him the prime suspect due to the fact that they had no better person to pin it on, despite having no evidence. MOO!"

See the problem now?

Ah I get it now! Thanks...knew I WAS missing something! However wasn't there a MSM link somewhere where LE did claim Dale WAS named the suspect based on evidence and witness statements?