FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #22

[Sparky]

Originally Posted by vibert

yes, but regardless of whether he was fishing or not r whether he was caught on vid or not, we already knew that he took the boat out. The lake where he was has been searched so what is the significance?

BBM

Do you have a link for what lake he had been too? I must have missed that. tia

[Jazzmaster]

Originally Posted by vibert

yes, but regardless of whether he was fishing or not r whether he was caught on vid or not, we already knew that he took the boat out. The lake where he was has been searched so what is the significance?

It is very significant as it was part of a decoy plot IMO...smoke and mirrors! MOO Sr knew the focus would be on the smiths and to be coy and waste LE resources he purposefully took the boat out that day. JMO

[GrammaMaybe]

Originally Posted by vibert

link is gone

dssr was out fishing the next day

According to the witness on the Buckethead Show, a neighbor near Lake Eleanor has video of Big Dale in his Hummer towing his boat on the day of Michelle's disappearance.
We've heard that Big Dale was at the Condo on the 17th. (link? source?) The witness on Buckethead Show says he was cruising through town, towing his boat that day.

Any one with sources to clear up these details?

[Jazzmaster]

Originally Posted by GrammaMaybe

***** SPOILER ALERT ***** I'm convinced Little Dale is guilty and considering whether Big Dale is an accomplice.

Before 11/17

LittleDale purchases equipment to protect surfaces, secure Michelle, clean up any mess
LDale plans exactly how and where to subdue Michelle
LDale purchases & installs hook&eye on TV room door
LDale picks up container for Michelle and takes it to BDale's house

11/17

? If BDale was at condo at 3:18, LDale picks him up at Rose Blvd in time to be at condo by 3.
LDale moves his truck to street in front of condo.
LDale moves his work truck onto street
Garage door is open

3:18 Michelle arrives at condo driving Hummer with Glow stickers. (neighbor video)


LDale convinces Michelle to drive into the garage and closes the garage door (3min)
LDale & Michelle release kids from car seats, plop them in front of TV, hooks door (10 min)
LDale asks Michelle to take a look at this "paperwork" & heavy book on table (5min)
LDale comes up behind Michelle and subdues her (4min)
While Michelle is unconscious, LDale restrains her (10min)
LDale moves restrained Michelle into the Hummer (5min)
LDale removes Glow sticker (10min [per sticker company])

NOTE: There was speculation that BigDale was at the condo when Michelle arrived. Babysitter?

4:20 LDale puts kids in his truck and leaves to go to Rose Blvd (Big Dale's house)

4:26 LDale pulls over on Hoffner to answer text sent to Michelle by her brother

4:40 LDale arrives at Big Dale's house
LDale unbuckles twins, gives them to his mom, waves to neighbor, borrows Big Dale's shovel
LDale has snack?

5:00 LDale & BDale leave Rose Blvd in BDale's truck with container.

5:31 SUNSET
5:32 LDale and BDale arrive at condo
LDale and BDale move Michelle to truck
BDale supervises clean up of condo, hook&eye removal, helps with narrative practice

6:00 DARK BDale takes Michelle to Mission St. & leaves her there along with container
LDale takes Hummer to Walden Palms
LDale waits for BDale to pick him up
BDale & LDale arrive at BDale's house by 8:00 when Dale gets message from YS


8:00 LDale leaves Daddy's and takes Belle Isle route to his condo
LDale turns off iPhone & tosses it off Nela St. Bridge at 8:08 pm


8:30 LDale meets LE at Carter Glen condo




11/18
BDale takes his boat out and goes fishing (Buckethead).
Before launching, he stops by Mission St for pick up
On his way to work, Dale exits toll road at 520 to make drop off (trucker).

Great job. This proves that Dale COULD have the time to pull this off. All the naysayers who say Dale couldn't pull this off due to a lack of time are awfully quiet with this post. I like the thoroughness. This could be spot on!

[GrammaMaybe]

Originally Posted by Kamille

According to Zillow, the condo was purchased in April 2008?

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/65...82238191_zpid/

I do think it was purchased for them to move into as a family once the twins were born. I've always wondered where he was living before that.

MOO

BBM (and colored!)

Didn't the media imply that he lived near (or in?) Walden Palms previously. When I don't know. IIRC one of the TV reporters mentioned it very early on.

[SmoothOperator]

Originally Posted by Thor

I simply made a correction on the facts as stated as opposite to my knowledge of them, specifically:"LE claimed they named him the prime suspect due to evidence and witness statements".

IMO it is a fact and not an issue of common sense that LE believes Dale might be involved in the disappearance since they have named it a suspect almost from the very beginning of the investigation, however LE has made no claims as to the reason that it is so, whether in relation to potential evidence or any statements made by anyone and that was the only point I made in relation to your original post.

Re: your above portion bolded.. oh and wouldn't you sure like to know who those witnesses were and what that evidence is, Thor? .. i know I would

[Thor]

Originally Posted by SmoothOperator

Re: your above portion bolded.. oh and wouldn't you sure like to know who those witnesses were and what that evidence is, Thor? .. i know I would

Yes I would.

[GrammaMaybe]

Originally Posted by Sparky

BBM

Do you have a link for what lake he had been too? I must have missed that. tia

It's the Buckethead Show audio

http://buckethead.realradio.fm/playe...l&mid=21627148

According to Erin, a hospital worker, her neighbor has a camera similar to the one on Little Dale's condo. The video shows Big Dale driving his Hummer (much comment about there being 3 Hummers in the Smith family) with the boat on the back in the neighborhood of Lake Eleanor on the 17th.

[GrammaMaybe]

In regards to the cell phone pings and YS contacting Little Dale:

*** SPOILER ALERT *** I'm convinced Dale is guilty and reconsidering his family's involvement. This is all just moo.

1. Big Dale could have a cell also; most dealers do. Momma Dale could have called Papa Dale who called Baby Dale, just like the three bears. Then like a good Baby Bear, Baby Dale called Momma Dale. Or he might have just called YS. We don't know what, if any info LE retrieved from their cells or local cell towers.

2. Momma, Papa & Baby Dale could have all had those cash only, pay up first, disposable phones like criminals use to avoid having themselves traced. Might at least one member of the Dales have some knowledge of criminal behavior?

PS: Does anyone know if there is a history of DV between Momma & Papa Dale?

[Sparky]

Originally Posted by GrammaMaybe

It's the Buckethead Show audio

http://buckethead.realradio.fm/playe...l&mid=21627148

According to Erin, a hospital worker, her neighbor has a camera similar to the one on Little Dale's condo. The video shows Big Dale driving his Hummer (much comment about there being 3 Hummers in the Smith family) with the boat on the back in the neighborhood of Lake Eleanor on the 17th.

Listening to the podcast again:

The caller's sister saw SR's Hummer with the boat attached to it.

With this LK Ellenor search going on we hope they took the tip. (she doesn't say the tip is, they saw Sr and his boat on Lake Ellenor)

The podcast doesn't state he went fishing on Lake Ellenor.



And because Vibert said:

Quote:
Originally Posted by vibert View Post
yes, but regardless of whether he was fishing or not r whether he was caught on vid or not, we already knew that he took the boat out. The lake where he was has been searched so what is the significance?


I am asking for a link to the lake where Dale Sr. was , since I do not know what lake he went to and can't find any info on it.

TIA

jmo

[Spice]

Originally Posted by Thor

Sr is lying as well, than that is your opinion and where is the debate there? Why don't we take this to it's logical conclusion and say that Dale is guilty and let's fill in all the blanks around it with what we like to believe and be done with it? Oh wait ... JMO

Everyone has the right to their own opinion, but Honestly Thor, isn't this exactly what you are doing?

Filling the blanks around the opinion that Dale didn't do this and ignoring factual evidence and very clear LE positions in the process?

[Sparky]

Article dated Nov. 30, 2011

Why is Mark Nejame making this odd statement? At this point no one has said she was murdered except MJ.


But NeJame also made an unusual statement, saying Smith went right to his parents' home immediately after Parker dropped off the twin boy and girl with him, and would not have had time to be involved in her disappearance.


NeJame offered this challenge:

Get in your cars and run that track, and see if you can do it … and in between, you've killed and gotten rid of, disposed of a body.

… In front of your children, you dispose of their body, of her body, where nobody can find it. There's no marks, no defensive wounds, no scrapes, no blood, no nothing suggesting a struggle or a death.

You then, in an hour and 12 minutes, go from one side of town to the other. You then drop off your vehicle, you get in your vehicle and you drive to your father's house. In an hour and 12 minutes. It's not physically possible.

That's what you all need to be asking the Orlando Police Department: Why they are jumping to the supposition when the facts don't bear it out?


Parker's disappearance, however, has not yet been called a homicide case. It's still just a missing person's case.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news...of_a_body.html

[Kamille]

Originally Posted by SmoothOperator

Re: your above portion bolded.. oh and wouldn't you sure like to know who those witnesses were and what that evidence is, Thor? .. i know I would

The evidence and witness statements that we know about have been repeated regularily in all these threads. And it's also good to note that a lack of evidence, where there should be some, can be considered a form of evidence in and of itself.

MOO

[Kamille]

Originally Posted by Sparky

Article dated Nov. 30, 2011

Why is Mark Nejame making this odd statement? At this point no one has said she was murdered except MJ.


But NeJame also made an unusual statement, saying Smith went right to his parents' home immediately after Parker dropped off the twin boy and girl with him, and would not have had time to be involved in her disappearance.


NeJame offered this challenge:

Get in your cars and run that track, and see if you can do it … and in between, you've killed and gotten rid of, disposed of a body.

… In front of your children, you dispose of their body, of her body, where nobody can find it. There's no marks, no defensive wounds, no scrapes, no blood, no nothing suggesting a struggle or a death.

You then, in an hour and 12 minutes, go from one side of town to the other. You then drop off your vehicle, you get in your vehicle and you drive to your father's house. In an hour and 12 minutes. It's not physically possible.
That's what you all need to be asking the Orlando Police Department: Why they are jumping to the supposition when the facts don't bear it out?


Parker's disappearance, however, has not yet been called a homicide case. It's still just a missing person's case.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news...of_a_body.html

BBM

Besides the fact that this entire sentence makes absolutely no sense, what proof does anyone have that DSJr drove his truck to the parent's house that night if there is not an independent witness siting of his truck at their house? What if he stripped off the decals and drove the children to his father's house in the Hummer. How does that change things?

MOO

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Kamille

The evidence and witness statements that we know about have been repeated regularily in all these threads. And it's also good to note that a lack of evidence, where there should be some, can be considered a form of evidence in and of itself.

MOO

IMO What evidence? We know of no direct evidence that points to anyone being responsible for the disappearance of MP, do we? Isn't lack of direct evidence the reason why no one has been charged seven months into the investigation? The last known whereabouts Of MP are at Dale's at 3:18 pm, then she simply vanishes. No forensic evidence, no witnesses to anything ... and may be LE does have further evidence since we know they still consider him the suspect but clearly not enough to charge him ... oh ok, they will charge him tomorrow, or next week or soon for sure ...

I hope that the reason anyone constructs a particular scenario where Dale is guilty is to pinpoint a particular location where MP might be and hopefully go and look for her, otherwise for the life of me I can't understand what that exercise would be about.

[What'sThatClue]

Originally Posted by Thor

IMO What evidence? We now of no direct evidence that points to anyone being responsible for the disappearance of MP, is there? Isn't that the reason why no one has been charged seven months into the investigation? The last known whereabouts Of MP are at Dale's at 3:18 pm, then she simply vanishes. No forensic evidence, no witnesses to anything ... and may be LE does have further evidence since we know they still consider him the suspect but clearly not enough to charge him ... oh ok, they will charge him tomorrow, or next week or soon for sure ...

I hope that the reason anyone constructs a particular scenario where Dale is guilty is to pinpoint a particular location where MP might be and hopefully go and look for her, otherwise for the life of me I can't understand what that exercise would be about.

LE has stated they have evidence and thus named Dale the Prime Suspect in Michelle's disappearance. That's good enough for me. We aren't a court of law here, we're members of a forum. Tthe public is not privy to evidence collected until and unless LE chooses to release it and for good reason--LE does not want to show their hand in advance to the Prime Suspect and/or his counsel. And, of course, once charges are filed and the case goes to court, public records will be released.

JMO, I love reading possible scenarios because there just might be some point that causes me to research facts that might be helpful in finding Michelle, what happened to her and lead to the Prime Suspect spending this coming birthday in jail. Facts are posted with links, but opinions and possible scenarios are all personal opinions as evidenced by JMO, IMO and MOO, etc., and who knows, someone's guess at a scenario might be smack on target and bingo--there's that one last piece of the puzzle.

JMO, MOO, IMO

[Thor]

Originally Posted by What'sThatClue

LE has stated they have evidence and thus named Dale the Prime Suspect in Michelle's disappearance. That's good enough for me. We aren't a court of law here, we're members of a forum. Tthe public is not privy to evidence collected until and unless LE chooses to release it and for good reason--LE does not want to show their hand in advance to the Prime Suspect and/or his counsel. And, of course, once charges are filed and the case goes to court, public records will be released.

JMO, I love reading possible scenarios because there just might be some point that causes me to research facts that might be helpful in finding Michelle, what happened to her and lead to the Prime Suspect spending this coming birthday in jail. Facts are posted with links, but opinions and possible scenarios are all personal opinions as evidenced by JMO, IMO and MOO, etc., and who knows, someone's guess at a scenario might be smack on target and bingo--there's that one last piece of the puzzle.

JMO, MOO, IMO

IMO the important question is "where is Michelle Parker?" like ... If Dale or whomever did it this way then he probably disposed of her body around here ... so let's go look, tip the police, whatever ... Michelle Parker should be the focus and I fear often times the issue is Dale Smith and not necessarily Michelle Parker JMO

[What'sThatClue]

Originally Posted by Thor

IMO the important question is "where is Michelle Parker?" like ... If Dale or whomever did it this way then he probably disposed of her body around here ... so let's go look, tip the police, whatever ... Michelle Parker should be the focus and I fear often times the issue is Dale Smith and not necessarily Michelle Parker JMO

JMO, by following the Prime Suspect's (Dale) trail we just might find Michelle.

[Jazzmaster]

Originally Posted by Thor

IMO What evidence? We know of no direct evidence that points to anyone being responsible for the disappearance of MP, do we? Isn't lack of direct evidence the reason why no one has been charged seven months into the investigation? The last known whereabouts Of MP are at Dale's at 3:18 pm, then she simply vanishes. No forensic evidence, no witnesses to anything ... and may be LE does have further evidence since we know they still consider him the suspect but clearly not enough to charge him ... oh ok, they will charge him tomorrow, or next week or soon for sure ...

I hope that the reason anyone constructs a particular scenario where Dale is guilty is to pinpoint a particular location where MP might be and hopefully go and look for her, otherwise for the life of me I can't understand what that exercise would be about.

Thor if you read through the 21 threads you will see more than enough circumstanial evidence...wonder if LE at this point is trying to figure out how to charge Dale jr and Sr...JMO

[Jazzmaster]

Originally Posted by Thor

IMO the important question is "where is Michelle Parker?" like ... If Dale or whomever did it this way then he probably disposed of her body around here ... so let's go look, tip the police, whatever ... Michelle Parker should be the focus and I fear often times the issue is Dale Smith and not necessarily Michelle Parker JMO

Maybe if you PM Dale he might man up and tell you where he and dad hid Michelle. Worth a try? JMO

[Spice]

Originally Posted by Thor

IMO What evidence? We know of no direct evidence that points to anyone being responsible for the disappearance of MP, do we?

The evidence that LE has repeatedly stated that they have. The evidence they used to name Dale their PRIME SUSPECT, the evidence that they handed over to the smart panel for review. The evidence that they are withholding from the public, which is absolutely standard procedure. The evidence that they will use to charge him when they finally find Michelle. The direct evidence that they have and are holding close to the vest, the circumstantial evidence that is out there already, plus motive, plus opportunity, plus uncooperative, , aggressive, hurtful, and generally shady behavior by Dale.

It is all there written clearly on the wall if you choose to see it, and if you don't than that is your perogative. You have the right to your opinion, but constantly insisting that there is no way that he could have done this without offering any plausible theories whatsoever to support that LE are mistaken about Dale (other than "pinning it on him" which they are not)....well I am just not getting it. Unless it is simply for the purpose of debate.

[Jazzmaster]

Originally Posted by Spice

The evidence that LE has repeatedly stated that they have. The evidence they used to name Dale their PRIME SUSPECT, the evidence that they handed over to the smart panel for review. The evidence that they are withholding from the public, which is absolutely standard procedure. The evidence that they will use to charge him when they finally find Michelle. The direct evidence that they have and are holding close to the vest, the circumstantial evidence that is out there already, plus motive, plus opportunity, plus uncooperative, , aggressive, hurtful, and generally shady behavior by Dale.

It is all there written clearly on the wall if you choose to see it, and if you don't than that is your perogative. You have the right to your opinion, but constantly insisting that there is no way that he could have done this without offering any plausible theories or evidence to support that LE are mistaken about Dale....well I am just not getting it. Unless it is simply for the purpose of debate.

I would suspect the art of debating or just not wanting to believe Dale did it are the PLAUSIBLE reasons to keep insisting Dale is innocent without ANY plausible theory JMO. There have been a significant number of theories that show HOW Dale could have been involved and none to dispute it so IMO blind faith that he's innocent is all that's left or you could follow the clear evidence to why Dale is STILL the ONLY suspect.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Jazzmaster

I would suspect the art of debating or just not wanting to believe Dale did it are the PLAUSIBLE reasons to keep insisting Dale is innocent without ANY plausible theory JMO. There have been a significant number of theories that show HOW Dale could have been involved and none to dispute it so IMO blind faith that he's innocent is all that's left or you could follow the clear evidence to why Dale is STILL the ONLY suspect.

Ok back to Dale and how much is guilty and tomorrow and next week and soon we will see he'll get charged and son on ... got it. I hope there was a way that we can all stipulate that Dale is guilty and how much of a cad he is ... speaking strictly for myself I'm waiting to see some real evidence coming out of the investigative team and hopefully some real charges against Dale or somebody before I make any further comments on the issue of culpability,Where is Michelle? Anybody got any ideas? I'm sure out of those as of late ...
JMO

[Amster]

Originally Posted by Thor

Ok back to Dale and how much is guilty and tomorrow and next week and soon we will see he'll get charged and son on ... got it. I hope there was a way that we can all stipulate that Dale is guilty and how much of a cad he is ... speaking strictly for myself I'm waiting to see some real evidence coming out of the investigative team and hopefully some real charges against Dale or somebody before I make any further comments on the issue of culpability,Where is Michelle? Anybody got any ideas? I'm sure out of those as of late ...
JMO

Ask Dale?

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Amster

Ask Dale?

LOL I liked that!! Back to Dale, OK let's ask him ... LOL