FL FL - Michelle Parker, 33, Orlando, 17 Nov 2011 - #22

[SleuthDecay]

IMO, the Hummer was pulled into the garage before Dale left for his parents' house and it didn't leave the condo until much later that evening, after being stripped of the decals. I know I must sound like a broken record but if the Hummer had left with decals intact, I just can't believe no one would have noticed it and called it in after it was known to be associated with a missing person. For instance:

"Yes, I saw that Hummer yesterday at whatever o'clock. It was in front of me at the light at the intersection of X & Y. I distinctly remember that GLOW decal on the back window."
Or:
"Yeah, I saw that Hummer when I was at the gas station on Z street at whatever o'clock. A woman fitting Michelle's description was pumping gas and I saw a man approach her."

From what I remember, there were sightings reported before she got to Dale's, but no reported sightings after the 3:18 surveillance video. I need to find some links to back up my memory on this but I don't have time right now to sit down and search. If anyone has links to support or refute this please feel free to chime in.

[missingm]

Originally Posted by Jazzmaster

Well I think it was a catch 22. If he leaves with the stickers there are far too many potential witnesses that could see a male driving the Hummer. Yet if he is spotted in the neighborhood without the stickers he is automatically guilty. I believe leaving the stickers on through the neighborhood may make the most sense if they had a secure place nearby to strip the decals.

If the hummer was hidden in the garage then most likely it COULD have been stripped in there but there was a big risk leaving. It is a possibility that there is video of the hummer leaving the complex without the stickers...maybe why LE is SO focused on Dale!

Now i can't rule out that the stickers were left on while in complex....If the vehicle was driven away with the stickers....Dale has friends close by who run an entertainment business and could have provided temporary storage if you know what I mean. There are a lot of possibilities and scenarios that I have run through.

Now if Dale really wanted the Hummer back he probably would have kept up the payments....but seeing as he was FIRED for being a MURDERER IMO he didn't have the income to make the payments kind of like all those missed child support payments....that is "if" the Hummer was hypothethically repossessed. So maybe he initially wanted it back and because his income dried up, his plan was foiled. ALL JMO

Why would Dale get the Hummer? Wasn't it hers?

[Reality Orlando]

Originally Posted by SleuthDecay

IMO, the Hummer was pulled into the garage before Dale left for his parents' house and it didn't leave the condo until much later that evening, after being stripped of the decals. I know I must sound like a broken record but if the Hummer had left with decals intact, I just can't believe no one would have noticed it and called it in after it was known to be associated with a missing person. For instance:

"Yes, I saw that Hummer yesterday at whatever o'clock. It was in front of me at the light at the intersection of X & Y. I distinctly remember that GLOW decal on the back window."
Or:
"Yeah, I saw that Hummer when I was at the gas station on Z street at whatever o'clock. A woman fitting Michelle's description was pumping gas and I saw a man approach her."

From what I remember, there were sightings reported before she got to Dale's, but no reported sightings after the 3:18 surveillance video. I need to find some links to back up my memory on this but I don't have time right now to sit down and search. If anyone has links to support or refute this please feel free to chime in.

But, do you really think that many people would notice something like that? Especially in Orlando? Window stickers are pretty tame compared to wrapped vehicles. Plus, half the people driving are on their cell phones and aren't even paying attention to traffic let alone window decals . I know I've seen the hummer at least a couple times around home but don't remember ever registering those decals. The only reason I think I even noticed her Hummer early on is because we live in a very rural area more known for pickups, mudders and air boats and the second time I was like, huh, another Hummer out here?

[GrammaMaybe]

Originally Posted by SleuthDecay

IMO, the Hummer was pulled into the garage before Dale left for his parents' house and it didn't leave the condo until much later that evening, after being stripped of the decals. I know I must sound like a broken record but if the Hummer had left with decals intact, I just can't believe no one would have noticed it and called it in after it was known to be associated with a missing person. For instance:

"Yes, I saw that Hummer yesterday at whatever o'clock. It was in front of me at the light at the intersection of X & Y. I distinctly remember that GLOW decal on the back window."
Or:
"Yeah, I saw that Hummer when I was at the gas station on Z street at whatever o'clock. A woman fitting Michelle's description was pumping gas and I saw a man approach her."

From what I remember, there were sightings reported before she got to Dale's, but no reported sightings after the 3:18 surveillance video. I need to find some links to back up my memory on this but I don't have time right now to sit down and search. If anyone has links to support or refute this please feel free to chime in.

BBM MOO MOO

IIRC a couple of "sightings" came in but at least one of those who "saw" her disappeared when asked to confirm with the toll road data that could have been provided.

If LE has video of the Hummer leaving naked, AS RUMOR HAS IT, then those who made the false sightings would be accessories after the fact.

[GrammaMaybe]

Originally Posted by missingm

Why would Dale get the Hummer? Wasn't it hers?

BBM

Rumor has it, it was registered in Baby Dale's name.

("Rumor has it" just means to me that a poster who has been thoughtful, gives verified info, and is much more well informed than I has posted the info. [Knows the family?] I guess that means it's just my humble opinion. Ignore at will.)

[SleuthDecay]

Originally Posted by Reality Orlando

But, do you really think that many people would notice something like that? Especially in Orlando? Window stickers are pretty tame compared to wrapped vehicles. Plus, half the people driving are on their cell phones and aren't even paying attention to traffic let alone window decals . I know I've seen the hummer at least a couple times around home but don't remember ever registering those decals. The only reason I think I even noticed her Hummer early on is because we live in a very rural area more known for pickups, mudders and air boats and the second time I was like, huh, another Hummer out here?

You could be right. Maybe I'm just thinking others would notice the decals because I tend to notice that kind of thing. But, IIRC, there were several sightings of the Hummer with the decals before Michelle got to Dale's, no? I remember seeing comments on the family Facebook page that it had been seen here and there before 3:18. And there was someone who used to post here who thought he had seen it after 3:18, but when he checked his toll receipts, figured out that it had been around 3:00. When I have some time, I will try to find links.

[SleuthDecay]

Originally Posted by missingm

Why would Dale get the Hummer? Wasn't it hers?

According to Yvonne, it was still in Dale's name. Link is posted somewhere a few threads back. HTH

[GrammaMaybe]

Originally Posted by Reality Orlando

But, do you really think that many people would notice something like that? Especially in Orlando? Window stickers are pretty tame compared to wrapped vehicles. Plus, half the people driving are on their cell phones and aren't even paying attention to traffic let alone window decals . I know I've seen the hummer at least a couple times around home but don't remember ever registering those decals. The only reason I think I even noticed her Hummer early on is because we live in a very rural area more known for pickups, mudders and air boats and the second time I was like, huh, another Hummer out here?

colored by me

Every male under 60 that I know, notices every "cool" car every time he passes one. Add a sticker and beautiful woman and they might kill someone texting about it. (if under 40)

That may be because I'm in California and my kids and their friends are working guys with trucks, but that subset may act the same in Orlando, too.

[SleuthDecay]

Originally Posted by GrammaMaybe

BBM MOO MOO

IIRC a couple of "sightings" came in but at least one of those who "saw" her disappeared when asked to confirm with the toll road data that could have been provided.

If LE has video of the Hummer leaving naked, AS RUMOR HAS IT, then those who made the false sightings would be accessories after the fact.

[BBM]
Do you mean the member who used to post here? I thought he eventually did find his toll receipts and confirmed that it was around 3pm when he saw the Hummer. But I could be wrong on that. Anyone remember that poster's WS name? Was it IronMan? I'm multitasking today and don't have time to look for it.

[What'sThatClue]

Originally Posted by SleuthDecay

[BBM]
Do you mean the member who used to post here? I thought he eventually did find his toll receipts and confirmed that it was around 3pm when he saw the Hummer. But I could be wrong on that. Anyone remember that poster's WS name? Was it IronMan? I'm multitasking today and don't have time to look for it.

It was Ironhorse, first post on thread #1, through thread 14. More detail in thread 11. Can't find the post about the toll receipts tho. I might have missed it or a mod removed it but I vividly remember the post that the toll receipts confirmed 3:00pm. Here's Ironhorse's first post about this and his subsequent posts can then be searched.

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JMO

[SleuthDecay]

Originally Posted by What'sThatClue

It was Ironhorse, first post on thread #1, through thread 14. More detail in thread 11. Can't find the post about the toll receipts tho. I might have missed it or amid removed it but I vividly remember the post that the toll receipts confirmed 3:00pm. Here's Ironhorse's first post about this and his subsequent posts can then be searched.

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JMO

Thank you!

[missingm]

Originally Posted by SleuthDecay

According to Yvonne, it was still in Dale's name. Link is posted somewhere a few threads back. HTH

That wouldn't mean a thing if there was some sort of agreement that she could keep it. Her driving it exclusively all of this time would have been enough evidence of that. He would never have gotten the Hummer unless she was declared dead. (doesn't mean that he knew that)

[SleuthDecay]

Originally Posted by What'sThatClue

It was Ironhorse, first post on thread #1, through thread 14. More detail in thread 11. Can't find the post about the toll receipts tho. I might have missed it or a mod removed it but I vividly remember the post that the toll receipts confirmed 3:00pm. Here's Ironhorse's first post about this and his subsequent posts can then be searched.

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JMO

Ok, I totally blew off the work I was supposed to be doing this afternoon so I could look for that post about the toll receipts confirming the sighting was around 3pm. Could not find the post. I think it is somewhere in thread #12, which is no longer accessible. Or maybe it got deleted. Anyway, glad I'm not the only one who remembers it. Thanks again! :-)

[Sparky]

Originally Posted by SleuthDecay

Ok, I totally blew off the work I was supposed to be doing this afternoon so I could look for that post about the toll receipts confirming the sighting was around 3pm. Could not find the post. I think it is somewhere in thread #12, which is no longer accessible. Or maybe it got deleted. Anyway, glad I'm not the only one who remembers it. Thanks again! :-)

LOL It was probably thread 12. That was the thread with all the ahem....sexy men pics on photobucket that we thought belonged to jr. It is no longer available.

[Jazzmaster]

Originally Posted by missingm

Why would Dale get the Hummer? Wasn't it hers?

It was in his name. He bought it she drove it. Jmo

[Reality Orlando]

Originally Posted by GrammaMaybe

colored by me

Every male under 60 that I know, notices every "cool" car every time he passes one. Add a sticker and beautiful woman and they might kill someone texting about it. (if under 40)

That may be because I'm in California and my kids and their friends are working guys with trucks, but that subset may act the same in Orlando, too.

But keep in mind, I doubt you could see who was driving since the windows were really dark plus down here there are a lot of Hummers, limos, Mazzeratis, etc. We are surrounded by the very rich at almost all points plus this area is very near the airport so you have Pro basketball players coming and going, all the top execs from the theme parks, etc. Sometimes it's absolutely jaw dropping the cars that are parked outside my little business that's tucked away in a commercial district. I just don't see a Hummer down here being that noticable. Now, if it had been in Geneva, near home, yes. People would have probably noticed more cause it's always out of the ordinary there. JMO.

[Reality Orlando]

Not sure if this was posted yet, (or even if I'm allowed...mods remove if not) but YS told me the new Jesse Black grand opening (new location) is doing a huge benefit for Michelle tonight. There are more details on the Missing Facebook page with address and all. I really wanted to go but just got home from work

[What'sThatClue]

Originally Posted by Reality Orlando

But keep in mind, you couldn't see who was driving the windows were really dark and down here there are a lot of Hummers, limos, Mazzeratis, etc. We are surrounded by the very rich at almost all points plus this area is very near the airport so you have Pro basketball players coming and going, all the top execs from the theme parks, etc. Sometimes it's absolutely jaw dropping the cars that are parked outside my little business that tucked away in a commercial district. I just don't see a Hummer down here being that noticable. Now, if it had been in Geneva, near home, yes. People would have probably noticed more cause it's always out of the ordinary there. JMO.

Not necessarily out of the ordinary in Geneva, imo. I live in a city not far from there and they're common in this area too. In fact, a renter next door has three different hummer owners visit his home frequently. He's sure not wealthy and I can't imagine him hobnobbing with wealthy people. But, maybe, lol. Point is, there's lots of hummers in and around Orlando.

JMO, the windows may have been dark but the front window can't be tinted dark. And under certain light the person driving can be seen. Guess it depends.

All JMO MOO

[What'sThatClue]

Originally Posted by Reality Orlando

Not sure if this was posted yet, (or even if I'm allowed...mods remove if not) but YS told me the new Jesse Black grand opening (new location) is doing a huge benefit for Michelle tonight. There are more details on the Missing Facebook page with address and all. I really wanted to go but just got home from work

Yes, I saw that on the FB pages too but was unable to go.

IIRC, the official FB page link can be posted. I could be wrong so it's JMO, but I'm sure it's been posted before.

[Reality Orlando]

Originally Posted by SleuthDecay

You could be right. Maybe I'm just thinking others would notice the decals because I tend to notice that kind of thing. But, IIRC, there were several sightings of the Hummer with the decals before Michelle got to Dale's, no? I remember seeing comments on the family Facebook page that it had been seen here and there before 3:18. And there was someone who used to post here who thought he had seen it after 3:18, but when he checked his toll receipts, figured out that it had been around 3:00. When I have some time, I will try to find links.

I remember that but I don't know that it panned out as anything.

[Reality Orlando]

Originally Posted by What'sThatClue

Yes, I saw that on the FB pages too but was unable to go.

IIRC, the official FB page link can be posted. I could be wrong so it's JMO, but I'm sure it's been posted before.

Yeah, YS told me when I saw her on my way to work. I had forgotten all about it. Had I remembered, I could have scheduled a less messy day and brought a change of clothes. But, till I showered, changed and drove all the way back to 436 it would probably be after 11pm and I start winding down about then (up at 6 am). Now in my younger days...I'd be there right now boot scootin'

[Reality Orlando]

Originally Posted by What'sThatClue

Not necessarily out of the ordinary in Geneva, imo. I live in a city not far from there and they're common in this area too. In fact, a renter next door has three different hummer owners visit his home frequently. He's sure not wealthy and I can't imagine him hobnobbing with wealthy people. But, maybe, lol. Point is, there's lots of hummers in and around Orlando.

JMO, the windows may have been dark but the front window can't be tinted dark. And under certain light the person driving can be seen. Guess it depends.

All JMO MOO

Yep, I agree with lots of Hummers around but I bet her's is the only one I've ever seen pulled in to any of the stores around here. I noticed it immediately first time. Not that there aren't a lot of fairly well-to-do folks out this way, but there are much more prone to big fancy 4 wheel drive trucks and SUV's then Hummers. Oviedo I sometimes see a yellow one, but Michelle's was the only one I saw in Geneva.

[What'sThatClue]

Originally Posted by Reality Orlando

Yep, I agree with lots of Hummers around but I bet her's is the only one I've ever seen pulled in to any of the stores around here. I noticed it immediately first time. Not that there aren't a lot of fairly well-to-do folks out this way, but there are much more prone to big fancy 4 wheel drive trucks and SUV's then Hummers. Oviedo I sometimes see a yellow one, but Michelle's was the only one I saw in Geneva.

I see a yellow hummer visiting next door all the time. Lol

Our cars both have dark tinted windows (except the windshield) and I've noticed people can still see me driving most of the time, which is why I mentioned that under certain light the driver can still be seen. Jmo, of course, but I've had people wave at me. Lol. And my windows are tinted as dark as the law allows. .

[Kamille]

Originally Posted by missingm

That wouldn't mean a thing if there was some sort of agreement that she could keep it. Her driving it exclusively all of this time would have been enough evidence of that. He would never have gotten the Hummer unless she was declared dead. (doesn't mean that he knew that)

If the vehicle was not paid for and was still being financed, then not only it but the debt belongs to the person whose name it is registered in. So if the Hummer was still being financed, even though Michelle may have been the one who was sending in the payments, then when she stopped paying after she disappeared, the debt would be up to DSJr to take care of. And he would be considered the owner of the vehicle if he is keeping the payments up. If not, I assume it would be reposessed by the finance company if and when LE release it.

If the vehicle was paid for then DSJr would be the owner and the vehicle would go to him.

MOO

[Kamille]

Originally Posted by Reality Orlando

But keep in mind, I doubt you could see who was driving since the windows were really dark plus down here there are a lot of Hummers, limos, Mazzeratis, etc. We are surrounded by the very rich at almost all points plus this area is very near the airport so you have Pro basketball players coming and going, all the top execs from the theme parks, etc. Sometimes it's absolutely jaw dropping the cars that are parked outside my little business that's tucked away in a commercial district. I just don't see a Hummer down here being that noticable. Now, if it had been in Geneva, near home, yes. People would have probably noticed more cause it's always out of the ordinary there. JMO.

BBM

I agree with you Reality Orlando that a Hummer, especially an H3 which is smaller, is not really all that noticeable in regular traffic unless you happen to either have one or like and want one. Which is kind of the point about the decals I guess.

Michelle's H3, with the decals, was noticed. It was noticed just prior to her arriving at the condo around 3pm by our poster Ironhorse. And that is just one person that we know of because he actually posted here. I do remember the back and forth about the time and that he did come on at some point to verifty that he had checked the toll records with his employer and that it was around 3pm and not 4pm.

So we know that the Hummer was driven quite some distance to Walden Circle. It was out there that night. And if not one person can verify that it was out there with the decals on it, then it is quite possible that no one really noticed it when it was being driven that evening because the decals were already off. There may be several sightings of a black H3 travelling through the area that night. But without the decals how is LE to know that it was in fact Michelle's H3 that people saw. There could have been several of them out there. We know there was at least one without decals because it belonged to the neighbour at the condo. So even sightings of that H3 might have been reported.

But to our knowledge, no sightings of Michelle's H3 with the distinctive GLOW decals on it was called in to LE. And it doesn't seem reasonable to assume that the decals were removed in that parking lot of the condos at Walden Circle without anyone seeing that activity. So it would seem that they must have been removed prior to it being dumped there.

MOO