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Old 07-04-2012, 12:01 AM
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well, if she is with a homeless encampment type situation. her parents need to find her and force her to leave so she doesn't become a victim of human trafficking. they can work out their differences later, but she's not safe on the streets.

i hope she is with an unknown friend and not on the streets
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Old 07-04-2012, 12:13 AM
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Ok back from searching didn't see anyone handing out flyers or searching for her. I was able to start on the north side of the river from Howe to watt no sign of her or any camps tomorrow will search north side from howe down past arden. Someone just texted me they confirmed yesterdays sighting and word is she is living with homeless along the river.
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Old 07-04-2012, 12:35 AM
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Hopefully they have the help from those in the area that work with the homeless and also mental health advocates.
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Old 07-04-2012, 12:44 AM
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Ok back from searching didn't see anyone handing out flyers or searching for her. I was able to start on the north side of the river from Howe to watt no sign of her or any camps tomorrow will search north side from howe down past arden. Someone just texted me they confirmed yesterdays sighting and word is she is living with homeless along the river.
Thanks for the update. Sorry you didn't see her. Is the story true that there are flyers posted all around that area, even though you didn't see anyone handing them out? At this point I'm hesitant to even hand them out because I think it might push her further into hiding, but IF it seems like it'd be helpful I can do some of that tomorrow. Argh wish I could help more with the physical searching but unfortunately I just can't because of my own limitations.

I'm glad to hear the sighting is confirmed and at least some guidance that the theory/theories about where she is may be correct. In that area it seems like there are a lot more individual 'camps' or very small groups of people as opposed to the larger homeless camps/areas. Also seems to be where we run into people (homeless) who aren't very threatening and have been nice if they're around. We tend to 'beach it' in our small boat at several spots along there, and almost always there's a makeshift tent or two nearby, mostly lived in by people who either want some food or to be left alone. We've shared food quite a few times and they've always been grateful and friendly. I totally agree it's not a GOOD environment for her and she's hugely at risk, but I do hope she's with people like that. Depending on who she's with and what they've heard or what she's told them, they might be trying to help 'protect' her from searchers.

(as before, total speculation other than the stuff handyman916 has confirmed)
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Old 07-04-2012, 12:55 AM
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OK....the "LIKE OUR PROGRESS" thingy freaked me out a little. Strange....
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OK....the "LIKE OUR PROGRESS" thingy freaked me out a little. Strange....
I didn't know how to take that but I can say it wasn't a good/warm-fuzzy feeling for sure. "LIKE us on Facebook" implies business/Marketing to me. Ick (not ick to business or marketing, just ick to where/how it was used). And what does "progress" mean? They saw her again? Which I'm glad for but... having doubts. NO doubts that Linnea is or is likely in danger and could use help, but doubts as to what exactly that means. The "come back to the church!" is going well? Sorry I'll stop now. I'm still learning this forum but I know not to get sidetracked too far in that direction... but anyway... I'm with you.

For what it's worth, I HOPE this is resolved long before then, but if that's where she is, that part of the river's a pretty big hot spot all the way through at least mid August. It's been cooler than normal this year (probably why Linnea had a sweatshirt) but it's hot again now and getting busy again. The 3rd weekend in August is a big thing, the "Potluck on the River" which is sort of this official-but-not-offically-hosted party including 3 days of food, parades, contests, bands, potluck obviously, etc. As a homeless person, especially pretty newly homeless and relatively clean, you could easily blend in and get food, shower, maybe even lodging. Many of the homeless in the area who don't want to be seen take off, but I've also met some of them who are a little bolder and jump onto the boats tied together.

I've seen nothing to suggest she's much of a "party girl," but what a good place to find food, a shower, maybe lodging, maybe new clothes...

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Old 07-04-2012, 01:53 AM
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Hopefully if so, you won't be able to tell! I'm sure you'd notice increased foot/bike traffic, though.

I just thought of this too... I know down closer to Folsom Lake there's quite a bit of horseback riding along the trail and river. Haven't seen as many horses further to the West, but I do see them as far up as Ancil Hoffman park. Is there anywhere that would be useful to post pictures / info? Maybe a stable like Shadow Glenn (I don't know of any others locally but there may be some), or I've also seen arenas where people meet up to head out riding. Any thoughts? Physical limitations prevent me from doing much actual "on the ground" searching but I'm trying to think of anything I can do to help.
where i was today which was on the north side of the river starting from howe to watt there are no camps or areas where people been staying. Lots of horse trail from how all the way up to sunrise folsom area. I dont think she will be up that far to much traffic for homeless encampments. If she is with homeless then most likely north side of river from howe to down just east of downtown sac.
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Old 07-04-2012, 02:58 AM
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I didn't know how to take that but I can say it wasn't a good/warm-fuzzy feeling for sure. "LIKE us on Facebook" implies business/Marketing to me. Ick (not ick to business or marketing, just ick to where/how it was used). And what does "progress" mean? They saw her again? Which I'm glad for but... having doubts. NO doubts that Linnea is or is likely in danger and could use help, but doubts as to what exactly that means. The "come back to the church!" is going well? Sorry I'll stop now. I'm still learning this forum but I know not to get sidetracked too far in that direction... but anyway... I'm with you.
It is marketing, IMHO. It sounds like whomever is running the page, has experience running other pages (the church's page? The rafing camp page? Other missing person's pages? Who know?). When FB changed things awhile back pages, even if liked, weren't showing up on Newsfeeds unless they had a certain amount of interaction. So, that's why all the pages ask for "likes and shares". IMO It's really tacky on a typical page, let alone a missing person's page.

Sorry to butt in here, but just had that observation and wanted to share.
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Old 07-04-2012, 03:32 AM
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where i was today which was on the north side of the river starting from howe to watt there are no camps or areas where people been staying. Lots of horse trail from how all the way up to sunrise folsom area. I dont think she will be up that far to much traffic for homeless encampments. If she is with homeless then most likely north side of river from howe to down just east of downtown sac.
Agreed I think she'd be closer to downtown and likely more on the other side of the river. I think my husband thinks I'm nuts for following this story so closely... but... he actually lived down by the river for awhile in his high school/just-post-high-school years (long story but suffice it to say he had family that loved him but couldn't have him living w/them). He said at the time he loved that part of town near Sac State because you could crash at someone's house no questions asked and if anything they hoped you'd stay. I SO SO SO hope that's the type of crowd Linnea's with now.
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Old 07-04-2012, 03:36 AM
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It is marketing, IMHO. It sounds like whomever is running the page, has experience running other pages (the church's page? The rafing camp page? Other missing person's pages? Who know?). When FB changed things awhile back pages, even if liked, weren't showing up on Newsfeeds unless they had a certain amount of interaction. So, that's why all the pages ask for "likes and shares". IMO It's really tacky on a typical page, let alone a missing person's page.

Sorry to butt in here, but just had that observation and wanted to share.
Ah thank you, I hadn't thought about the recent/semi-recent FB changes. Makes sense as to why they'd ask for likes and shares. And probably someone who's trying to help has that kind of experience. Still comes across as "tacky" at minimum as you say, but it's helpful to know why it might be happening.
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Old 07-04-2012, 09:10 AM
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Interesting new article here that gives us a description of what Linnea was experiencing that caused her parents' concerns....

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/04/460...lief-with.html
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Old 07-04-2012, 09:41 AM
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Seems to me her family isn't this horrible cult everyone is making them out to be. She is an adult, yes. But their daughter. Who had a suicide note and appeared to be in distress. Doctors agreed and tried to get her on meds. The police commend their efforts.

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Old 07-04-2012, 10:08 AM
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Interesting new article here that gives us a description of what Linnea was experiencing that caused her parents' concerns....

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/04/460...lief-with.html

Thanks for the link, still digesting what it does and does not say.

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Craig Lomax is heartsick over his daughter's disappearance. But he doesn't think the struggle will end when she is found, and he hopes this case can expose flaws in a system he feels failed his family.
"I don't totally disagree with the laws, but there needs to be some kind of system for (cases like this)," he said. "It missed Linnea on the first round."
I don't think this family has realized these things are not black and white. People do function with diagnoses of OCD and anxiety (if that's what conditions she has) although they may have had times they spun out of control. I worked with a guy who had a meltdown once (it wasn't overnight by any means), but he came back to work and was fine. Maybe Linnea needs medication and maybe she doesn't. If she does, A get a sense the whole thing wasn't handled very well in the beginning.

I'm not convinced by the article that she qualifies for a 5150 or did when they started hunting her. In my experience the rules about these things make it easy enough and I feel people just don't get how serious it is to take away a person's right. You simply cannot make the net so big you can jump in any time you personally want to deem it necessary.
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Old 07-04-2012, 10:12 AM
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Seems to me her family isn't this horrible cult everyone is making them out to be. She is an adult, yes. But their daughter. Who had a suicide note and appeared to be in distress. Doctors agreed and tried to get her on meds. The police commend their efforts.

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Where does it say there was a suicide note?
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Where does it say there was a suicide note?
Ah my mistake a suicide related website...same feeling for me though. If you weren't suicidal, why be on the webpage? Unless it was for a paper at school which imo only, it doesn't sound like.

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Is there any sign of drug abuse here?
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Is there any sign of drug abuse here?
That's a really good question. Does anyone know if these mental health places check for things like that?

Also, just wanted to say I am not trying to talk down to anyone. After reading my previous posts it seemed to come off that way. I promise you, it isn't my intent. I'm aware that different theroies and discussion of ideas lead to answers.

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That's a really good question. Does anyone know if these mental health places check for things like that?

Also, just wanted to say I am not trying to talk down to anyone. After reading my previous posts it seemed to come off that way. I promise you, it isn't my intent. I'm aware that different theroies and discussion of ideas lead to answers.

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LOL No Worries!
I hear what your saying!

See to me it sounds like drugs are the center of this the weight loss etc etc.
anxiety , And maybe the parents didnt want to say rehab so they say she had a slight breakdown...
So she did the rehab but now wanted some drugs so she runs off to find them!
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Ah my mistake a suicide related website...same feeling for me though. If you weren't suicidal, why be on the webpage? Unless it was for a paper at school which imo only, it doesn't sound like.

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Maybe to help yourself. It doesn't say it is a website for how to commit suicide. But I can see if I was really depressed, I might look to see if others felt like I did and if anyone said how they helped themselves. I doubt she was going to commit suicide via ibuprofen, but I guess it's possible. There could be other info on such pages like that, like what if you took too much of something?

None of this means the parents aren't well meaning, but maybe they never had this kind of thing to deal with before and came in too upset and heavy handed. People will often turn away when they think you are being unreasonable and trying to force your will instead of listening to what they want and need.
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LOL No Worries!
I hear what your saying!

See to me it sounds like drugs are the center of this the weight loss etc etc.
anxiety , And maybe the parents didnt want to say rehab so they say she had a slight breakdown...
So she did the rehab but now wanted some drugs so she runs off to find them!
That's insightful and very possible.

I think it's also possible that whatever caused her weight loss led to further anxiety, a viscous cycle - anxiety or a sleep disorder/insomnia can make one almost completely lose their appetite. I've had that happen a couple of times in my life and once because I had a virus that hung around for over a month. I'm not sure they would know though if she had gradually lost some pounds or the amount she weighed pre and post was off.
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That's a really good question. Does anyone know if these mental health places check for things like that?

Also, just wanted to say I am not trying to talk down to anyone. After reading my previous posts it seemed to come off that way. I promise you, it isn't my intent. I'm aware that different theroies and discussion of ideas lead to answers.

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I think if she was an inpatient they would draw blood and run tests?
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Is it possible that perhaps she is questioning her sexuality? Given some of the family dynamics, it is possible that an issue such as that might be a difficult one. The only reason I mention it is because she might reach out to others who have had similar experiences and would likely help her with food, shelter, acceptance, "counseling," etc.
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While I've only been in Sacramento for a month, I live near the American River and have already biked and walked several parts of the bike trail all the way to Folsom. The trail is definitely a highlight of living in Sactown!

The reason I said she's in a limited area is that the sightings (if accurate) have all been within a fairly compact area by the river in or near the central city. It would take eight hours to walk to Folsom -- longer if she avoided the bike trail, which wouldn't be easy -- and remember, she's in flip flops.

There are many bikers and fairly few walkers along the river trail, so I'm sure someone would spot her. If she's living on the river somewhere, the homeless regulars would surely notice a new young woman in their midst and word would get out. Disheveled or not, she does not look like your typical homeless person.

So... while I'm really hoping she's still nearby and safe, I'm beginning to wonder if the sightings are false and either she has fled the area or (worse) something has happened to her.
Actually, at this time of the year, I feel the river community (aka homeless encampments) are probably much much safer than the streets. I think it's highly possible she's being looked after by well meaning folk. jmo

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Hopefully if so, you won't be able to tell! I'm sure you'd notice increased foot/bike traffic, though.

I just thought of this too... I know down closer to Folsom Lake there's quite a bit of horseback riding along the trail and river. Haven't seen as many horses further to the West, but I do see them as far up as Ancil Hoffman park. Is there anywhere that would be useful to post pictures / info? Maybe a stable like Shadow Glenn (I don't know of any others locally but there may be some), or I've also seen arenas where people meet up to head out riding. Any thoughts? Physical limitations prevent me from doing much actual "on the ground" searching but I'm trying to think of anything I can do to help.
Actually, it's entirely possible she could have hopped light rail into Folsom, started up on the trails again, and is heading into her home territories along the south fork and Salmon Falls Road. I mean, this girl was raised in the river rafting community, I'm sure she knows it like the back of her hand.

It's also possible she obtained a bike.

There is no way that she'd be in want of money-- if she wanted some, she'd get enough to do whatever she needed to do. That's mo. (I know if a young woman like herself approached me and said she needed ten bucks to get home, I'd probably give her twenty-- just sayin')


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well, if she is with a homeless encampment type situation. her parents need to find her and force her to leave so she doesn't become a victim of human trafficking. they can work out their differences later, but she's not safe on the streets.

i hope she is with an unknown friend and not on the streets
I think this is VERY likely.

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Ok back from searching didn't see anyone handing out flyers or searching for her. I was able to start on the north side of the river from Howe to watt no sign of her or any camps tomorrow will search north side from howe down past arden. Someone just texted me they confirmed yesterdays sighting and word is she is living with homeless along the river.
Charity and goodwill can come from the unlikeliest of places-- from what I know of "the homeless along the river" is that many are a brand of people who are sensitive to another's suffering and will ease it where they can. jmo

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Thanks for the update. Sorry you didn't see her. Is the story true that there are flyers posted all around that area, even though you didn't see anyone handing them out? At this point I'm hesitant to even hand them out because I think it might push her further into hiding, but IF it seems like it'd be helpful I can do some of that tomorrow. Argh wish I could help more with the physical searching but unfortunately I just can't because of my own limitations.

I'm glad to hear the sighting is confirmed and at least some guidance that the theory/theories about where she is may be correct. In that area it seems like there are a lot more individual 'camps' or very small groups of people as opposed to the larger homeless camps/areas. Also seems to be where we run into people (homeless) who aren't very threatening and have been nice if they're around. We tend to 'beach it' in our small boat at several spots along there, and almost always there's a makeshift tent or two nearby, mostly lived in by people who either want some food or to be left alone. We've shared food quite a few times and they've always been grateful and friendly. I totally agree it's not a GOOD environment for her and she's hugely at risk, but I do hope she's with people like that. Depending on who she's with and what they've heard or what she's told them, they might be trying to help 'protect' her from searchers.

(as before, total speculation other than the stuff handyman916 has confirmed)
My sentiments exactly. I think she's safer down there than, let's say, the Del Paso Blvd. areas, or Broadway, or C Street. I'm far more comfortable knowing she gravitated toward the river.


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Interesting new article here that gives us a description of what Linnea was experiencing that caused her parents' concerns....

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/04/460...lief-with.html
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From the article: The climax came a few weeks ago, when Linnea's worried parents showed up at her dorm room to find her in what Craig Lomax described as a "terrible, terrible state" – literally pulling out her hair, a bottle of ibuprofen open, a suicide-related website on her computer screen.

Her parents and a nurse persuaded her to admit herself to a mental health facility, but she remained steadfast that she did not have a problem and did not need all the medications they were recommending, her father said.
Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/04/460...#storylink=cpy

Okay, from the horse's mouth, so to speak-- Mom and Dad persuaded her to go in for treatment, but she did not, in the end, agree with the assessment-- anxiety and OCD? That sounds like the condition of every A student I know!!

It's odd to me that they admit she was well enough to call the shots regarding her treatment, but now that she's been through it, they are dissatisfied?

Also, I want to say that if she had a substance abuse problem (which they didn't cite) she would be the cleanest the day she took off, which means to me, she made a clear choice. moo


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She was a freshman, so she was probably taking Psyche 1, lol. It's entirely probable that website was related to her final exams-- it could have been any number of subjects, really.

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Is there any sign of drug abuse here?
As I noted above, even if so, she was CLEAN the day she decided to ditch out on the treatment she didn't agree with.



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That's a really good question. Does anyone know if these mental health places check for things like that?

Also, just wanted to say I am not trying to talk down to anyone. After reading my previous posts it seemed to come off that way. I promise you, it isn't my intent. I'm aware that different theroies and discussion of ideas lead to answers.
I'm almost sure they do check for that. Also one of my early thoughts in all this was wondering if it was drug related, especially when the woman on Facebook was commenting about her son being treated for Oxycontin abuse. And the place she was at does do drug treatment as far as I know. I've seen nothing that suggests she had a drug problem but being inpatient for 10 days (maybe 3 day detox/7 day treatment was all insurance would cover?) and then put into outpatient would not be surprising timing wise.

I didn't feel you were talking down to anyone at all. Honestly I'm uncomfortable having questionable thoughts about the motives and even more uncomfortable posting about them but like you said, different theories all come into play. And when I had enough things in a row make me think "woah back up!" in some ways I wanted to see if I was over-reacting or if others felt that way too. I always try to think the best about people and hope I haven't come off sounding like I'm 'bashing' the family or their search site. The whole idea of the search getting really overbearing (in my opinion) well... I guess I am coming down on that.
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Oh, and it couldn't be better that it's the Fourth-- there will be a lot of eyes on the waterways. If she's down there she might get a message to her folks... (I wish she would make a statement so people could relax about her well being).

Btw, Happy 4th my WS friends!



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