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It's difficult to understand how she can continue to evade so many people looking for her, especially if these sightings are accurate and she is wandering within a limited area in the city.
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BBM - this same thing keeps nagging me. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the only reason I have seen for tagging her as a missing person is because this is uncharacteristic of her behavior. I can see why the police originally became involved because it may have looked like she just disappeared out of thin air... but no one is claiming foul play and it appears she wants to be left alone, that there are sightings of her, and so on. She was an outpatient so I don't see how anyone can claim she is not stable enough to make up her own mind. Just having problems with all this.
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I also worry about the dynamics in Linnea's family. From the sounds of it, her parents are very religious. Nothing wrong with that, except some parents tend to not like it very much when their child "strays" from the religion they were brought up in. I was raised in a very religious home, my Dad's a pastor. In my first year of college, I began to have doubts about my religious beliefs, serious enough that I moved away from religion completely. My parents were sad about it, but accepted it. I know some parents don't. They believe that "Satan" has a hold on their child and they do all kinds of weird crap to bring them "back to the Lord". Not saying this happened in her family. The first year in college is a time of figuring out what you really believe. I went through a very dark time when I had my doubts about the beliefs I had been raised with all my life. I just wonder if something similar played a role in Linnea's mental health issues.
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I also worry about the dynamics in Linnea's family. From the sounds of it, her parents are very religious. Nothing wrong with that, except some parents tend to not like it very much when their child "strays" from the religion they were brought up in. I was raised in a very religious home, my Dad's a pastor. In my first year of college, I began to have doubts about my religious beliefs, serious enough that I moved away from religion completely. My parents were sad about it, but accepted it. I know some parents don't. They believe that "Satan" has a hold on their child and they do all kinds of weird crap to bring them "back to the Lord". Not saying this happened in her family. The first year in college is a time of figuring out what you really believe. I went through a very dark time when I had my doubts about the beliefs I had been raised with all my life. I just wonder if something similar played a role in Linnea's mental health issues.
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I thought about that too. I think she also could have functioned within the same group of people, all with very similar values for a long time and going to UC Davis would be much different. I think being a perfectionist can also become stressful and who knows why she was one. It's also possible that courses at UC Davis weren't a piece of cake - sometimes kids excel in high school or high school activities, but college is not as easy. It could be even more difficult if you are simultaneously breaking out of the mold. Or maybe she had something going on that her parents and community really wouldn't have approved of. She also seemed to work in their rafting/Christian camp business which I'd assume would just be going into high gear?
Your post makes me think about something Tori Amos once said - her dad was a preacher and she said that the one thing he let her have freedom in was her music.
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I have a hard time with cases like this, on the one hand she is a legal adult, and I feel she has a right to live the life she chooses, but on the other my experiences with people being moved to outpatient before they are ready also clouds said judgement.
About 10 years ago(omg?!) I was living overseas and we got a call around christmas that a friend from home had gone missing(not a friend of mine, but a friend of my fellow traveller). Slowly through emails to various people the story became more and more detailed.
"sally" living daily life as a single mom decides she is having mental health issues and needs to take care of herself so she can be a better mom. Sally and childs(6yo) father agree that child will come to him for a few weeks while Sally has medical appts, etc.etc. Sally contacts family and they send her an open plane ticket to come home and rest if she needs it.
Sally decides to check herself into mental health ward of local hospital. Hospital keeps her overnight, diagnoses her schizophrenic, gives her prescription to fill and sends her packing. No way to get home, do not contact her family, don't even give her medication just a script to fill and no discussion of schizophrenia, what it will entail,etc.etc.
Sally promptly takes bus to cliff, leaves notes for family, and plane ticket, takes off all her clothes and committs suicide.
Whenever these cases come up I always think of Sally, what they said when she went missing, why no one searched for her,etc.
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Not trying to start a debate at all just thinking from past experiences. I don't think that anyone should judge the family at this point. They very well could be downplaying how her mental state really is or what has happened in the past, honestly no one here really knows. This poor girl is out there with no money, probably scared out of her mind and who knows what else and I have a feeling that her family is just worried about her safety. I'm just saying.....
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BBM - this same thing keeps nagging me. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but the only reason I have seen for tagging her as a missing person is because this is uncharacteristic of her behavior. I can see why the police originally became involved because it may have looked like she just disappeared out of thin air... but no one is claiming foul play and it appears she wants to be left alone, that there are sightings of her, and so on. She was an outpatient so I don't see how anyone can claim she is not stable enough to make up her own mind. Just having problems with all this.
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Sorry this is my very first post here at WebSleuths, but looking forward to getting more active here. Looks like a great community. This particular case brought the site to my attention since I live and grew up in Sacramento.
I wanted to agree w/the post(s) above. I have been so hesitant to share and ask for help since if she wants to not be found, she has the right to not be found, at her age. Part of me thinks "just leave the poor girl alone!" But the more I read and hear I do think she's in danger. I just had a friend on FB today who knows her confirm that this is way out of character for her. Related to the outpatient/inpatient - that's pretty much ALL about insurance so I wouldn't assume that her being outpatient means she was ok. More than once I've seen them say "well let's try outpatient and if she fails we'll try inpatient again." Of course they can't comment but I wonder if her counselor(s) would say she was in good shape when she left. It's a tough one. I feel for the family and even more for Linnea. More than anything I hope she and her family reunite soon with ALL of them safe.
As I mentioned I live and grew up in the Sac area so I'll keep my eyes peeled, for sure. Also have a lot of friends who boat and/or jog along the river near where she's been seen, and I've posted her info to my Facebook page. The Motel 6 mentioned seems like a likely spot. If she doesn't have any means of getting a motel room, it seems to me like along the river would be a good next choice. It's also been hotter lately so I have to think she's changed clothes by now, if she could.
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Not trying to start a debate at all just thinking from past experiences. I don't think that anyone should judge the family at this point. They very well could be downplaying how her mental state really is or what has happened in the past, honestly no one here really knows. This poor girl is out there with no money, probably scared out of her mind and who knows what else and I have a feeling that her family is just worried about her safety. I'm just saying.....
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I don't think anyone sounded judgemental, just curious to the dynamics. She may be confused, mentally broken, and it makes it very difficult to find someone who does not want to be found. That certainly does not mean there are not a lot of people still looking for her, and helping her family and friends find her so it can be determined she is safe, not in harms way and capable of making decisions.
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Not trying to start a debate at all just thinking from past experiences. I don't think that anyone should judge the family at this point. They very well could be downplaying how her mental state really is or what has happened in the past, honestly no one here really knows. This poor girl is out there with no money, probably scared out of her mind and who knows what else and I have a feeling that her family is just worried about her safety. I'm just saying.....
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You jumped in there really quick. I didn't hear anyone judging the family? But as far as we know they could be overplaying her mental state. I haven't seen anyone here claiming to know what the particulars are of what actually transpired.
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  Nikb thank you for your post. Yes you will find this is a great place but I will warn you sometimes we fight like a real family also :-)
I am torn really yes Linnea is 19 but at the same time something triggered this. I said it on the FB page and will say it here. First they need to locate her and make sure she is safe. Than worry about the other things . From what I have read that right now is her family's main concern is her safety and that she is alive.
The rest can be worked out,
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I also worry about the dynamics in Linnea's family. From the sounds of it, her parents are very religious. Nothing wrong with that, except some parents tend to not like it very much when their child "strays" from the religion they were brought up in. I was raised in a very religious home, my Dad's a pastor. In my first year of college, I began to have doubts about my religious beliefs, serious enough that I moved away from religion completely. My parents were sad about it, but accepted it. I know some parents don't. They believe that "Satan" has a hold on their child and they do all kinds of weird crap to bring them "back to the Lord". Not saying this happened in her family. The first year in college is a time of figuring out what you really believe. I went through a very dark time when I had my doubts about the beliefs I had been raised with all my life. I just wonder if something similar played a role in Linnea's mental health issues.
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Well this young woman had a breakdown something wasnt right and i dont think we can blame it all on finals! JMO
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Pastor's daughter here...now a pastor's wife. Whether atheist or buddhist or mormon, we all must find our own faith or lack thereof at some point.
Mental illness has nothing to do with this. No one knows your child like you do as a parent. One week before my son's first psychotic break, he called home from his station and talked for 2 hours on Valentine's Day. I knew something was very wrong. I couldn't make sense of anything he said. He talked in circles. Even after his first hospitalization, he was immediately sent back to work and was still very sick.
Linnea's parents love and care for her like no other person can....and I think they have probably encouraged her to grow up to be the beautiful and intelligent young woman she is today. That didn't happen without their guidance....so I think I will trust their motives at this point.
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You jumped in there really quick. I didn't hear anyone judging the family? But as far as we know they could be overplaying her mental state. I haven't seen anyone here claiming to know what the particulars are of what actually transpired.
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I don't think that it's fair to jump on someone who was making a simple observation. I'm going back to lurking so good luck with everything....
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I don't think that it's fair to jump on someone who was making a simple observation. I'm going back to lurking so good luck with everything....
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Don't go back to lurking please
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I don't think that it's fair to jump on someone who was making a simple observation. I'm going back to lurking so good luck with everything....
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Please do not do that....I agreed with your observations.
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Pastor's daughter here...now a pastor's wife. Whether atheist or buddhist or mormon, we all must find our own faith or lack thereof at some point.
Mental illness has nothing to do with this. No one knows your child like you do as a parent. One week before my son's first psychotic break, he called home from his station and talked for 2 hours on Valentine's Day. I knew something was very wrong. I couldn't make sense of anything he said. He talked in circles. Even after his first hospitalization, he was immediately sent back to work and was still very sick.
Linnea's parents love and care for her like no other person can....and I think they have probably encouraged her to grow up to be the beautiful and intelligent young woman she is today. That didn't happen without their guidance....so I think I will trust their motives at this point.
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I honestly didn't mean to imply that Linnea's situation is her parent's fault, or that they don't love her or didn't raise her right. All I meant to say is that as a child of a religious family (like Linnea's), when I began to question my beliefs (in my freshman year of college) it was one of the darkest times in my life up to that point. To suddenly doubt everything that your parents centered their lives on is a really tough, scary thing to deal with, add to that the stress of being out on your own for the first time, etc... All of what I said is speculation on my part, and I admit I really don't know the details of Linnea's life. No one does.
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  Nikb thank you for your post. Yes you will find this is a great place but I will warn you sometimes we fight like a real family also :-)
I am torn really yes Linnea is 19 but at the same time something triggered this. I said it on the FB page and will say it here. First they need to locate her and make sure she is safe. Than worry about the other things . From what I have read that right now is her family's main concern is her safety and that she is alive.
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Aw thanks! I assumed that about the fighting like families, I've been a part of internet communities before...  Love the wagon emoticons.
I agree, I think something triggered this and that's what led me to finally post and share it on FB. I forgot to mention earlier I'm also a UC Davis Alum and perfectionist - no fault on the part of UCD or parents, but I can see how the stress got to her! She probably wants the help even if she doesn't know it right at this moment.
I have friends who hang out on or near the river a LOT in particular in the areas she's been spotted. We'll be out there later this week too and will of course keep an eye out if she hasn't been found yet. With no disrespect intended whatsoever... if she's currently in the homeless community, the cleaner/nicer homeless people seem to be at Discovery Park (as in respectful and I'm likely to give them food or money vs. feeling threatened and getting out of there ASAP), so I'm hoping she's with them or better yet in a safer place. My biggest hope is they find her safe and as you say, work out the rest.
Anyone know if she's into boating/rafting/swimming at all? I hope she's found before then but if not, the 4th of July brings out a HUGE group of boaters and rafters around here. Often there are groups of boats tied together and people just kind of jump from boat to boat hanging out, BBQing, etc. I'm just thinking if I were homeless (especially newly homeless), hungry, and young/pretty, it'd be a good day to be out on the river. It might be a good time to step up searches in that area.
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Nikb I know she is a counselor with a Christian camp the rafts and water waters .
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As i said I am from the area if she was seen at Howe and La Rivera and she looks like she had not showered then she is most likely living along the river/bike trail. And if so thats not good because after 6 pm you will run into rattlesnakes and a whole buch of shady looking people with criminal history living with her along the river and trail area
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Handyman916 I totally agree that's where she likely is. I already thought that early on when I first heard where she was last seen on Tues. After seeing the post that she'd been spotted in the Howe/La Rivera area I'm even more convinced. Trying to put myself in her shoes, that's probably where I'd go. If you do the Google search for that intersection and then zoom in to the photos by the river you'll see it even better. I'd be a heckuva lot more worried about the people than the rattlesnakes, but both are concerns. If she is in fact there, hopefully she's found some kindhearted people to take her in (seems like in that area there are more kindhearted-but-down-on-their-luck people than some areas along the river where the scarier people hang out).
For good or bad... with the 4th coming up and a lot of people taking vacations this week, the river will probably be very busy with both boaters along with law enforcement. Does it make it more likely she'll be found, or make it so she'll hide better? Hard to know. I wonder if signs have been posted at the parks and boat launches? I'll see if I can find out more or at least suggest it on the Facebook page.
Keeping positive thoughts for her. Even if she is in fact running from her family, I hope they can at least find out she's safe and she can get into better circumstances to heal.
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I think regardless of her age or her family background (which we can only speculate about, due to lack of information), the fact that she's been gone for a few days now, without her phone or wallet, is reason enough to continue searching and consider her a 'missing person'. Even though she's an adult and *may* be trying to get away from problems at home or school, she's still missing. Until she's found safe I think it's completely reasonable to be concerned.
I think that because she didn't take anything with her, she hadn't made the decision to run away until she left the facility. She may have thought about it in the past, but I think the actual decision to leave right at that moment was a spur of the moment decision. This may have been brought about due to her mental state at the time, but again, I don't believe we have enough information to correctly judge how she was feeling at the time.
I'm hoping she just felt like she needed a break from everything, and she comes home very soon.
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What is she doing for money, food, etc.?
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I think regardless of her age or her family background (which we can only speculate about, due to lack of information), the fact that she's been gone for a few days now, without her phone or wallet, is reason enough to continue searching and consider her a 'missing person'.
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Totally agreed. That's why I finally shared her story and joined (unofficially) the search. It doesn't sound like it was planned, definitely sounds like she has very few resources, and there are better ways to 'get away' and heal.
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Here's what makes me worry; she's 19. A legal adult. She has every right to disappear, to keep her private life private, to leave the hospital, to run away with the circus, whatever. All she would have to do to close out her missing persons case is to make contact with LE.
I would think someone who has dont nothing illegal and WANTS to get away from certain people (family) or situations (outpatient treatment) would want to contact LE ASAP. Easier to hide when you don't have an entire city watching for you or searching. Since that seems like the rational thing to do it makes me fear she's incapable of that right now.
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Purely speculation but knowing the area and the timing, she wouldn't have much problem getting food - find a beach and some boaters to hang out with, or jump on board one of the many "boat islands" that form around this time of year. For the most part the boaters are friendly and welcoming in that area and it's almost a joke that there are no "strangers." Especially with her being so young and presumably not too scruffy yet (if she is in fact homeless right now), I think people would welcome her aboard to share food and probably even stay on their boats. For lodging, the highs have been in the upper 80s and lows in the upper 50s, so even if she's outside she's probably ok climate-wise.
I know I might be overly optimistic here, but I'm very happy she's at least been seen, and I'm trying to have faith that she's ok for now, until she gets home.
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