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Old 07-05-2012, 01:45 AM
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I was thinking just cases in general; IMO, OJ, Nicole & Ron, JonBenet Ramsey, Elizabeth Smart, Chandra Levy, Laci Peterson, Natalee Holloway, Caylee and Casey Anthony, Jerry Sandusky..all had/have huge name recognition and they were all over MSM. And with the exception of the Anthony case, and the Sandusky case, social media didn't (or barely) existed with the other cases. All those cases managed to spread to the masses thanks to TV. Of course, there is talk about Caylee, Casey, and George on social media, but those cases were also all over MSM too.
True, but the missing persons cases mentioned all had a "hook" of sorts that Mickey does not really have; Chandra the connection to politics in DC, Elizabeth taken from her bedroom as well as the Morman theories, Laci pregnant and Christmas Eve and Natalee vanishing in a tropical paradise on a school trip. Mickey's case is pretty basic in comparison...riding her bike on the way home from a bar. Not saying she is any less important, but it does not have the same "glamour" factor MSM likes. JMO
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Old 07-05-2012, 02:00 AM
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That fact alone I found AMAZING!!! I'm wondering if ACI was ever able to gain access to ULL's "registered vehicle records" though. I think he was going to look into that. I think it was definitely worth looking into. All the students at ULL are NOT locals so....
Now that you mention it, I do recall ACI's interest in getting ULL's reg vehicles.
Great recall and excellant idea. unsure if ACI was able to get that info.
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Old 07-05-2012, 02:15 AM
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Now that you mention it, I do recall ACI's interest in getting ULL's reg vehicles.
Great recall and excellant idea. unsure if ACI was able to get that info.
Well now that he's officially off the case, that won't be done, mark my words. As kind as he is, one can only do so much for no pay and after the family publicly berates your intentions. Such a shame that the capable one is the one pushed away
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Old 07-05-2012, 02:36 AM
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I don't really like saying this but, without this case being front & center in the media every day ... it is basically falling by the wayside sadly enough. I mentioned the case the other night at a large gathering I was at and almost everyone I mentioned it to looked at me with a "what are you talking about" look on their face. When I went into a bit more detail they were like "oh yeah, I heard about that" and unfortunately, the conversation moved quickly on to another topic. I'm a voracious crime follower but ... most folks are not even if the crime is in their own backyard.
Same thing I've experienced in conversations lately.....
Community or rather public interest is dwindling due to lack of presence by LE, PR, or media.
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Old 07-05-2012, 02:49 AM
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Wow, maybe the family thinks the professionals - the police- are best qualified to get them answers. Maybe they actually trust the police and are working with them. Maybe they feel that "national attention" is useless to them in finding out what happened to their daughter in Lafayette, la. Maybe they feel uncomfortable with all these people all over demanding to know everything about their daughter to satisfy their morbid curiosity, and telling them what they should be doing. Maybe they are psysically and emotionally exhausted and are simply relying on the police to do their job.
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I can truly understand the family being physically and emotionally drained,exhausted and overwhelmed. I also believe they feel like their lives are out of control, so they are taking control of the only thing they can control at this point-and that is how much and what info they allow out about Mickey and their family.

They may trust the professionals and LE to be best qualified to give them answers, but they did appeal to the local public and community to help find Mickey,to do searches,to put up flyers, and make donations. They did do TV shows and numerous fund raisers and events to put Mickeys name out in the public. When you draw the public in and ask for help, you open yourself up to honest questions by sincere people who really are trying to help and could care less if Mickey did or didn't do something but are just trying to help, not fill their "morbid curiousity" as you describe it. In Sierra's case her mother didn't get upset when asked why her daughter would have had a whole set of clothes including underwear in her purse and stop answering questions. She understood people had questions. People are trying to help but it appears help is only wanted in ways that the Shuniks can control. Which brings me back again to what I said earlier in my post- I believe they feel like their lives are out of control, so they are taking control of the only thing they can control at this point-and that is how much and what info they allow out about Mickey and their family.
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Old 07-05-2012, 03:11 AM
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I can truly understand the family being physically and emotionally drained,exhausted and overwhelmed. I also believe they feel like their lives are out of control, so they are taking control of the only thing they can control at this point-and that is how much and what info they allow out about Mickey and their family.

They may trust the professionals and LE to be best qualified to give them answers, but they did appeal to the local public and community to help find Mickey,to do searches,to put up flyers, and make donations. They did do TV shows and numerous fund raisers and events to put Mickeys name out in the public. When you draw the public in and ask for help, you open yourself up to honest questions by sincere people who really are trying to help and could care less if Mickey did or didn't do something but are just trying to help, not fill their "morbid curiousity" as you describe it. In Sierra's case her mother didn't get upset when asked why her daughter would have had a whole set of clothes including underwear in her purse and stop answering questions. She understood people had questions. People are trying to help but it appears help is only wanted in ways that the Shuniks can control. Which brings me back again to what I said earlier in my post- I believe they feel like their lives are out of control, so they are taking control of the only thing they can control at this point-and that is how much and what info they allow out about Mickey and their family.
The family did ask for help and we the public could choose to help or not. I don't understand why so many think we are entitled to every detail of their lives. JMO
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Old 07-05-2012, 03:48 AM
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The family did ask for help and we the public could choose to help or not. I don't understand why so many think we are entitled to every detail of their lives. JMO
Who is asking for every detail of their lives? The questions I have seen asked make sense to me.

It makes little sense to me to ask people for help in finding someone then give them very little to find the person with. What if she fell and has amnesia? Would she perhaps be found in a zoo because she likes animals? What if she had a schizophrenic break-does she like music and maybe found her way to a wooded area behind the house of a musician where she hears music often? Seem farfetched? Writer Steve Lopez found Nathaniel Ayers, a homeless schizophrenic that had attended Julliard playing violin on the streets.

Reality is we know NOTHING. We don't know if she was abducted, went willingly with someone she knew,chose to leave the area on her own free will, had a nervous breakdown,fell off her bike,hit her head, got back on and rode off in the wrong direction, or what. Suggestions, or ideas of WHERE the public may find her would be beneficial. I don't think it is too much to ask. But that's just me. If my child was missing I'd be answering any question anyone wanted answered in the hopes that someone, somewhere would find them.

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Old 07-05-2012, 03:58 AM
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Who is asking for every detail of their lives? The questions I have seen asked make sense to me.

It makes little sense to me to ask people for help in finding someone then give them very little to find the person with. What if she fell and has amnesia? Would she perhaps be found in a zoo because she likes animals? What if she had a schizophrenic break-does she like music and maybe found her way to a wooded area behind the house of a musician where she hears music often? Seem farfetched? Writer Steve Lopez found Nathaniel Ayers, a homeless schizophrenic that had attended Julliard playing violin on the streets.


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I was given all the information I needed when I volunteered. It is not believed she had a schizophrenic break so yes it seems far fetched. When there is more to report or when LE and family deem it necessary for the public to have more details I'm sure we will get them. JMO
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I was walking home from 4th of July in the park and saw a homeless man playing violin on the street. saddened me...but he made a lot money that day.

I think people feel that if they do their jobs, that someone somewhere will happen upon mickey. We have LE, medical personnel, hospitals, mobile clinics, etc. It is just so hard for people to leave their jobs and their scope of focus to look for her.
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Old 07-05-2012, 04:11 AM
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I would think the family has already searched any areas that would come to their minds.
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Who is asking for every detail of their lives? The questions I have seen asked make sense to me.

It makes little sense to me to ask people for help in finding someone then give them very little to find the person with. What if she fell and has amnesia? Would she perhaps be found in a zoo because she likes animals? What if she had a schizophrenic break-does she like music and maybe found her way to a wooded area behind the house of a musician where she hears music often? Seem farfetched? Writer Steve Lopez found Nathaniel Ayers, a homeless schizophrenic that had attended Julliard playing violin on the streets.

Reality is we know NOTHING. We don't know if she was abducted, went willingly with someone she knew,chose to leave the area on her own free will, had a nervous breakdown,fell off her bike,hit her head, got back on and rode off in the wrong direction, or what. Suggestions, or ideas of WHERE the public may find her would be beneficial. I don't think it is too much to ask. But that's just me. If my child was missing I'd be answering any question anyone wanted answered in the hopes that someone, somewhere would find them.

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This is how I think too, and I was a exhausted mental mess when my loved one was missing for three months. His step dad was LE and I didn't care if his whole family life and mine was laid wide open if it meant bringing him home safe..skeletons..who cares? I also agree details matter! Every detail!

When the young autistic boy went missing a couple years back, and LE was scaring the boy with helicopters and dogs, his Dad I believe had them play his favorite music over loud speakers and the boy came walking out of the woods. Genius. Details!
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Old 07-05-2012, 07:47 AM
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I also think it is probably easier to garner interest in a missing person if they are a child or even a young teen, like Sierra. Mickey is an adult, and disappeared while doing an adult thing, i.e. coming home from a night out. As another posted said above, he/she has heard people say "well, what did she expect, riding at 2am, etc..." So if there is an attitude like that prevalent, it can't be that simple to drum up huge media interest.

But I really think the total lack of any word at all from LE in such a long time is the worst possible thing for a case like this. The media always pays attention to LE when they have something to say about a case, even if it is very little actual info. I can't imagine the media showing a great deal of interest if the Shunicks call them up and say "hey, she is still missing, can you please report that?" Just not exciting enough...JMO
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If the perp was local or known by ANY of MS's friends, then MS's friends would also recognize the white truck that LE is interested in. I am wondering why, if LE is still interested in that truck, LE does not make an announcement of: We continue to look for clues and are still interested in the white truck caught on video. It has been pointed out that the truck possibly has a service box over the right hub with writing on it.

If LE is not interested in the white truck anymore, they could say: Due to further developments in the case, we are no longer interested in the white truck and do not need any more tips called in as that particular item has been crossed off our list.

One way or the other, I believe it is time for LE to make an announcement.

As far as the family goes during a time of emotional upheaval people are allowed to think and say and do out-of-character things. I believe the best thing would be for them to open up and give any clue possible; however in many oher cases I have followed the family tends to close up and refuse to answer personal questions for whatever their reasons are.

I think it is a gamble to disenfranchise the public and depend on LE totally, but I am not in their shoes. The risk of that is losing the public's interest, the case becomes a cold case and in the end the family looks back and thinks "we should have handled it differently, but at the time we made that decision it was the best one we could make, knowing what we knew."

I think we are at a critical point here and now. Either the family and friends give the public more info and keep us in the loop, or public interest will melt away and people will find other more productive ways of spending their time. It is what it is.
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Old 07-05-2012, 08:28 AM
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So very true. I can't talk too much to my family about missing person cases because they look at me like I'm strange that I care about that kind of stuff. And they tell me they dont want to hear about it. I guess its upsetting and its easier to live thinking those things wont happen to you. I just dont understand apathy to matters of such importance.

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danzn16, unless it happens to their family or friend, then they feel that it simply doesn't affect them or apply. These same folks will read James Patterson or Ann Rule novels, watch Criminal Minds, CSI, or movies such as The Raven or The Frozen Ground. Yet, when the evil crimes depicted in these novels, tv shows, & movies become life's reality, the darkness is well beyond their comprehension.

Guess, there is a time & place to discuss abductions/missing persons, but I learned long ago that a party is prolly not the best place to do it..
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Old 07-05-2012, 08:32 AM
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This silence descends over so many cases...when is the last time we have heard from Katelyn's father, or Holly's parents, for instance? And yet they could be trying, but just don't know what to do, or are having trouble getting anyone to listen-we just don't know. I don't believe the lack of hearing from any of these families is in any way indicative of their feelings about their loved one being missing. There is always a newer case, a newer story, something to replace their case in the news.

People say negative things about the fundraisers the Shunicks are planning, but what else can they do? If they want to have t-shirts, posters, etc...those things cost money. Plus the fundraisers themselves are a way of creating public awareness. They are planning the one later in July with concerts, etc...if nothing else, it will remind the community that Mickey is still missing and probably get some media coverage.

They may not know any more about the white truck than we do. It is up to LE to give that info to the public-they should be talking about that truck every day until it is located. I don't get LE lack of action and communication in this case at all.
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Wow...here in NC, Walmart and convenience stores can sell beer and wine, but hard liquor can only be legally sold through state-run ABC stores.
Same here. I've never seen a Wal Mart, grocery store or convenience store sell hard liquor around here.
Used to be that if a county was dry, it was the entire county, but now individual towns can vote it in, as long as it's not sold within so many feet of a church or school. They sell it now in my local grocery store and there are two churches about a block down the street in both directions. They just voted it in about a year ago, and it ran quite a few bootleggers out of business!!
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danzn16, unless it happens to their family or friend, then they feel that it simply doesn't affect them or apply. These same folks will read James Patterson or Ann Rule novels, watch Criminal Minds, CSI, or movies such as The Raven or The Frozen Ground. Yet, when the evil crimes depicted in these novels, tv shows, & movies become life's reality, the darkness is well beyond their comprehension.

Guess, there is a time & place to discuss abductions/missing persons, but I learned long ago that a party is prolly not the best place to do it..
BBM- That is the problem right there...if the public doesn't really care that much, the media is not going to follow up; their stories are geared to what they think will produce the highest ratings.

IMO people are basically (in general) self-absorbed. Their own lives are their main concern, and if it doesn't touch them or their lives, they can't spend more than a few minutes on it, say "oh, how sad" and move on.

I fill my sisters in on these cases from time to time, as they don't follow crime really, and they show interest, but never ask me later if so-and-so was found, etc...even my niece, who lives in Baton Rouge and is Mickey's age didn't know about Mickey until I told her mom, and by now, surely thinks she has been found and it is likely out of her head. People have too many other things to think about. And people don't watch the news like they used to, anyway...

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I also think it is probably easier to garner interest in a missing person if they are a child or even a young teen, like Sierra. Mickey is an adult, and disappeared while doing an adult thing, i.e. coming home from a night out. As another posted said above, he/she has heard people say "well, what did she expect, riding at 2am, etc..." So if there is an attitude like that prevalent, it can't be that simple to drum up huge media interest.

But I really think the total lack of any word at all from LE in such a long time is the worst possible thing for a case like this. The media always pays attention to LE when they have something to say about a case, even if it is very little actual info. I can't imagine the media showing a great deal of interest if the Shunicks call them up and say "hey, she is still missing, can you please report that?" Just not exciting enough...JMO
cluciano63, I guess that would depend on LPD's motive for the silence. They want this to go away...Silence by LE via the media will accomplish this goal, as it has so many times before in missing persons investigations.

Imo, they were chasing rabbits since early in the investigation due to their strong lead hitting a wall.
Imo, all indicators say that Mickey Schunick's abduction was the work of an experienced stranger sexual predator/s..

This is my reasoning for the statement; chasing rabbits;

Private Investigator: Strong Lead on Suspects in Mickey Shunick Case

http://www.katc.com/.../private-inve...uspects-in-mic...

Jun 7, 2012 John Abdella said he received two separate tips that seem to describe ... Private Investigator: Strong Lead on Suspects in Mickey Shunick Case ...
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cluciano63, I guess that would depend on LPD's motive for the silence. They want this to go away...Silence by LE via the media will accomplish this goal, as it has so many times before in missing persons investigations.

Imo, they were chasing rabbits since early in the investigation due to their strong lead hitting a wall.
Imo, all indicators say that Mickey Schunick's abduction was the work of an experienced stranger sexual predator/s..

This is my reasoning for the statement; chasing rabbits;

Private Investigator: Strong Lead on Suspects in Mickey Shunick Case

http://www.katc.com/.../private-inve...uspects-in-mic...

Jun 7, 2012 John Abdella said he received two separate tips that seem to describe ... Private Investigator: Strong Lead on Suspects in Mickey Shunick Case ...
I don't believe LE wants this to "go away."

I don't think they are handling it well at all, but I've seen very few missing persons cases handled with any real competence over the years. Samantha in Alaska is one of the exceptions, also Sierra. But most LE seem to be at a total loss when it comes to missing persons.

I think that Mickey was perhaps spotted later than the video we've seen, and that is why the push for the white truck is not there; yes, they would probably like to talk to the driver, but also probably don't think he/she was involved or even has any real info.
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True, but the missing persons cases mentioned all had a "hook" of sorts that Mickey does not really have; Chandra the connection to politics in DC, Elizabeth taken from her bedroom as well as the Morman theories, Laci pregnant and Christmas Eve and Natalee vanishing in a tropical paradise on a school trip. Mickey's case is pretty basic in comparison...riding her bike on the way home from a bar. Not saying she is any less important, but it does not have the same "glamour" factor MSM likes. JMO
The fact of the matter is that media (talking national media) is only going to air a story about a missing person if there is a 'story' behind it, that's just the way it is. There are way too many missing persons cases in this country for news media to be following up on, you would need a program dedicated to just that topic every day to cover them and even then there are so many that most wouldn't get coverage.

I understand the frustration of this case not being in the 'news' more but to be honest, what exactly is there to air? There is no new information, there is nothing. All cases die out in the media after awhile, even bigger headline ones than this. How often do you see Ayla Reynolds, Kyron Horman, Lisa Irwin, even Michelle Parker on the news these days? These cases had much more attention than this case. If there is no information, there is no story.

The thing is a lot of missing persons cases hardly get any coverage whatsoever. Sadly, it become almost commonplace for someone to go missing. There is an easy way to test this. Go to your local Walmart, look on their big board of missing persons and count how many you saw being covered by the news. I bet the number is lower than you think.
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Inside Report for July 5, 2012
Search for missing Lafayette woman continues

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July 05, 2012
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It’s now more than a month since 22-year-old Mickey Shunick was last seen riding off on her black Schwinn bicycle.

The University of Louisiana at Lafayette student vanished May 19 shortly before 2 a.m. after she left a friend’s house at 100 Ryan St. in Lafayette on her way to her parent’s home about five miles away. Her family reported her missing that afternoon.
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Maybe you should post some flyers then? Just a thought...
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I don't believe LE wants this to "go away."

I don't think they are handling it well at all, but I've seen very few missing persons cases handled with any real competence over the years. Samantha in Alaska is one of the exceptions, also Sierra. But most LE seem to be at a total loss when it comes to missing persons.

I think that Mickey was perhaps spotted later than the video we've seen, and that is why the push for the white truck is not there; yes, they would probably like to talk to the driver, but also probably don't think he/she was involved or even has any real info.
RE: I don't believe LE wants this to "go away."

"Over a month since a media briefing or update by LPD's PIO in the Mickey Schunick investigation"

"Over 12 months since a media briefing or update by the TBI in the Holly Bobo abduction"

The ramifications/repurcussions of an unsolved abduction/missing person case are many; political, commerce, tourism, community's confidence in Public Safety, etc.

"Lessons learned from the Jennings Serial Killer misinvestigation"

http://www.kplctv.com/story/15787121...parish-sheriff

Ivy Woods voted new Jeff Davis Parish Sheriff

Woods was vying for the position in a field of four other candidates after long-time Sheriff Ricky Edwards decided not to run for a sixth term. Edwards has served as sheriff for 20 years. His time in office has been overshadowed by the still unsolved mystery deaths of eight Jeff Davis women and that case was a big issue in this election.

"We want to look over all the investigations. Implement a narcotics unit and bridge communication. The number one thing we would like to do is regain the trust of the public. There's a gap there and we want to close it and make it more personal," said Woods.




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The subject of “fear” about discussing the cases was brought up next by Ortega and he asked Murphy if he understood what that “fear” was about and if Lewis could help him understand it. Lewis kind of chuckled in a “knowing” way and finally said that yes, he understood. He alluded that although it wasn’t in “black & white”, and “no one” came right out and said “keep your mouth shut” that it was “understood” LE didn’t want the families discussing the cases. There seemed to be some inference that people in “influential positions” didn’t want the cases discussed and that there could be repercussions if they were. Lewis didn’t say that in those exact words but that was the “drift” I got. Joey seemed to agree and said the “sense” he got was that people didn’t “want to upset law enforcement”.

The discussion then moved toward the already in progress race for the soon to be vacated Sheriff’s seat and how the election could be pivotal in bringing a new administration in to power in the parish. The current Sheriff has been in office almost 24 years and his long-time, right-hand man, Larry Dupuis, has thrown his hat into the election arena. Joey shared that he has spoken to candidate Dupuis but added that Dupuis only had “very general answers” to “very specific questions”. In Ortega’s opinion….NOW would be the time for candidates to acknowledge the problems/situation in the parish (specifically the unsolved murders) and offer an explanation as to what they intend to do to solve them and address the communication (or lack of) issues with the victim’s family members.
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mahmoo, careful, you may get labelled by your friends.. Most folks that don't follow missing persons cases, or are not involved, become very suspicious of those that care. You can ask the same folks to name a serial killer and they can name a few. Then ask them to name one victim and only get silence...
I have tried talking about certain cases to my LE son, and some of them he has never heard of. A few cases outside this area come across his desk for whatever reason, but for the most part, he doesn't have much interest in any that are not in this area. He will answer questions about procedures, but if it's an ongoing case in his jurisdiction, he doesn't talk about it at all. Even as much publicity as the Caylee Anthony case got and still gets, I know WAY more about the case than he does.
I am the only one in my family who follows this stuff. If I tried to talk to my relatives or inlaws about a missing person, most of them would look at me like I was crazy. And the funny thing is, I've got several cousins on both sides who have been in LE for decades. The only thing I can surmise from all that is that unless it's happening in their own backyard, people tend to stay away from these cases. Or if they were interested in it at all, they will quickly lose interest if it's not resolved in a period of time.
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Wow, maybe the family thinks the professionals - the police- are best qualified to get them answers. Maybe they actually trust the police and are working with them. Maybe they feel that "national attention" is useless to them in finding out what happened to their daughter in Lafayette, la. Maybe they feel uncomfortable with all these people all over demanding to know everything about their daughter to satisfy their morbid curiosity, and telling them what they should be doing. Maybe they are psysically and emotionally exhausted and are simply relying on the police to do their job.
And as I said, I didn't say one negative word about the family. I think they are coping with this the best they can. I think the police are telling them what to do and they are doing it. I'm not saying they should be doing more of this or less of that. They get the automatic pass, like we talked about early on. I'm trying not to be offended here, but I am not demanding anything due to any morbid curiosity. I felt like I was useful to a certain point, then not. So, I tried to be useful again, and make suggestions to the social media team, only I was flat out ignored. Anytime I have messaged Charlie on FB she answered me back and I didn't expect her to. But the social media team, there are so many of them, I would think someone could answer back.

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