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Old 07-11-2012, 09:30 PM
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Why? Jose didn't.
In fact, it is sort of like this analogy.

My dog has repeatedly told me that every day the cat eats his food. Day after day. It has doubled my pet food bill. The cat blames it on the fact that he lived in the alley before I took him in.

It is my opinion that the cat is telling the truth. What else could it be? It COULDN'T be because the dog is just a glutton and eats the food himself, could it?

Preposterous? Yeah....but plausible. If my dog could talk.
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Old 07-11-2012, 09:31 PM
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wow. watching Piers Morgan interviewing Robert Blake. had just changed channels so I missed the context, but RB said sometime in the past BW told him he wouldn't be a suitable guest for the View "because we sell toothpaste" ... and "we don't want to get an angry letter asking why we had that accused killer on our show"

but the attorney for the most-hated accused killer in recent memory was an OK choice? (while most likely still angling to interview "it", given the chance?)

hypocrisy, much?
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Old 07-11-2012, 09:37 PM
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Well, if he hates me now - he might hate me even more in a minute or two!

Oh, and was "The View" uploaded? If not, and you guys want it -- let me know and I will upload it.
Its up on the their website..
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Having heard about JBs latest tour, I am almost concerned for the felon.

Abused from aged 8 (the police need to check her father out now ---- since her legal rep is probably a mandated reporter....lol).

So traumatized she has lived in a fantasy world - forced to lie, cheat and steal.

The abuser then killed her only child, swore her to secrecy, watched her face the death penalty and didn't bat an eye.

The felon must be a drooling mess, I hope she isn't left alone.


Then I remembered who we are talking about, and what the evidence showed, and I think JB should be locked up for repeating known lies.
I'm sure he's making the Florida Bar proud. Can't they censor him or something? I understand Freedom of Speech and all that, but isn't his behavior/conduct unbecoming a member of the Bar?

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I don't even watch the view when they DON'T have baby-killer defenders/lovers on there. By the way by Jose's logic (Ha!) I can now confirm he and IT were canoodling, sharing twizzlers and she was probably talking about meeting HIS mouse. How do I know? His SILENCE when asked about the improprieties of his relationship with his "client"
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Did KC have both an AIM (AOL's instant messaging program) and IM (yahoo's instant messaging program) -- reason I am asking, is I wonder if JB is saying KC didn't have an AIM and that GA and CA had an AOL account (which was NOT Password protected, so anyone could have used them!) and playing semantics, to avoid being caught in another lie. Not that it matters, because the whole reason for it is to claim somebody searched for suicide and suffocation.

BUT ----------- let's say, since we don't have those computer forensics reports of this search, which would seem would have been exculpatory if as JB is trying to make people believe (IE - why didn't he present this at trial to point the finger to GA???) (My hypothesis, is he didn't because it was actually incriminating to KC and he somehow got a sealed ruling that it would not be allowed in evidence as it was under GA account, and there was no proof GA was the one who was on the computer. Furthermore, I bet the judge said something like, "GA is not the one on trial here.") So......... let's say that KC was searching suffocation.

Remember this article and this line:
"On the day 2-year-old Caylee Anthony disappeared, someone in her house used the computer to run suicide-related searches, on terms including "foolproof suffocation" and "venturing into the pro-suicide pit," according to Casey Anthony's defense attorney Jose Baez. " http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey-antho...5#.T_4la5GDlac



Now, go back to the time, when 'casey anthony' was an unknown - envision that she searched for "foolproof suffocation"
If we enter the text below, we might re-create how Casey got to the site mentioned. Think of it like an algebra problem. We have the answer (the site that was hit, and if we take out casey as that would eliminate all the current day hits and reports we can see if the words foolproof and suffocation appear!)

So we can search

venturing into the pro-suicide pit -Casey

or better still enter this:
venturing into the pro-suicide pit -Casey + foolproof suffocation


Either search takes you to the same blog!

I think that a search for "foolproof suffocation" led to the site http://www.spiked-online.com/site/printable/4633/ and that suicide was NEVER SEARCHED. NOTE - that this site is not about how to commit suicide, but rather this bloggers torrid venture into the world of online information about how to commit suicide.

Also note, that the site is called Spiked-online, not "venturing into the pro-suicide pit. That was the title of the blog entry, or article.

AGAIN -- I think JB is spinning this UNPUBLISHED forensic report, on these supposed searches, and he is not providing them because he doesn't want it to be discovered that the search was for 'fullproof or foolproof suffocation' methods and nothing to do with suicide at all.

I hope I have articulated this - please let me know if you follow or jump in if you see my point and can add to it.
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Apparently we are free to say what we want as long as we can substantiate it with facts and/or evidence..

Prepare for a massive incoming of LINKS, Mr. Baez........
Yep...if he wanted a court to order us to cease and desist saying things that are not true he would have to prove the things said are in fact not true. The burden of proof is on the accuser.

Having to prove an accusation is exactly why "no one will ever be prosecuted for sexually abusing Casey." It cannot be proven because it never happened.
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Old 07-11-2012, 09:56 PM
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MY God - the writing is horrible, seriously.
http://cltampa.com/gyrobase/casey-an...2#.T_4dGZGDmSo

"Casey usually slept in Caylee's bed, but on this morning Casey had slept alone. She and her father started looking around the house. Her 3-year-old daughter was nowhere to be found. They went outside. Casey noticed that the ladder to the aboveground pool was up. One of the family cardinal rules was to make sure to take it down after swimming. Caylee loved to swim, and the fear was she might try to go it alone.
Casey had started to walk toward the house when she saw her father carrying Caylee’s limp, wet body. The little girl was dead. When Casey saw her father carrying the body, her first thought was that it wasn’t an accident."
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Now I ask you, does this add up? If you went outside and noticed the ladder was up and it was a 'cardinal' rule to make sure it was down each time -----WOULD YOU NOT RUN STRAIGHT TO THE POOL? OR AT LEAST LOOK ---> Before STARTING TO WALK TO THE HOUSE?????? So, are we to believe that KC didn't notice George grabbing Caylee out of the water? No yelling, "OMG, OMG call 911 - HELP" Nothing? Really?????????? NO, I MEAN REALLY???????????
And her first thought was it wasn't an accident?????? Why would it not be 911, CPR, yell for help?????????

Notice the story, diverts your attention to the cardinal rule, the type of pool and that Caylee loved to swim. <-------- NONE of the details belong between these two sentences. They are ancillary information that has nothing to do with conveying the play by play of what happened that fateful day. I would dare say, if this had been a statement given to LE and they called in a statement analysis - he/she would say that such non pertinent information, given in a misplaced section of the story would be an indicator of lying. JMHO, etc (And the writing sucks beyond even that - amazing!)

THis whole article is so poorly written and so badly researched, I cannot even muster the energy to waste Laughing Out Loud so instead submit this....


And by the way, his little comment about Casey never seeing a pediatrician during childhood is incorrect.

Casey was never taken to a gynecologist or family doctor for a "woman appointment" prior to her pregnancy. Cindy stated this in reply to a question by Linda Drane Burdick, after revealing to LDB that Casey had sporatic "monthly issues"....

But I think Baez may have been counting his crayons while Cindy was testifying to this, and didn't hear all the details. As I recall it, he was quite upset to show up in court that morning to discover someone had STOLE his favorite orange one!!!
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THis whole article is so poorly written and so badly researched, I cannot even muster the energy to waste Laughing Out Loud so instead submit this....


And by the way, his little comment about Casey never seeing a pediatrician during childhood is incorrect.

Casey was never taken to a gynecologist or family doctor for a "woman appointment" prior to her pregnancy. Cindy stated this in reply to a question by Linda Drane Burdick, after revealing to LDB that Casey had sporatic "monthly issues"....

But I think Baez may have been counting his crayons while Cindy was testifying to this, and didn't hear all the details. As I recall it, he was quite upset to show up in court that morning to discover someone had STOLE his favorite orange one!!!
No he was playing tic tac toe with himself. He still can't figure out how to win!
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I'm sure he's making rhe Florida Bar proud. Can't they censor him or something? I understand Freedom of Speech and all that, but isn't his behavior/conduct unbecoming a member of the Bar?
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Old 07-11-2012, 10:18 PM
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Did KC have both an AIM (AOL's instant messaging program) and IM (yahoo's instant messaging program) -- reason I am asking, is I wonder if JB is saying KC didn't have an AIM and that GA and CA had an AOL account (which was NOT Password protected, so anyone could have used them!) and playing semantics, to avoid being caught in another lie. Not that it matters, because the whole reason for it is to claim somebody searched for suicide and suffocation.

BUT ----------- let's say, since we don't have those computer forensics reports of this search, which would seem would have been exculpatory if as JB is trying to make people believe (IE - why didn't he present this at trial to point the finger to GA???) (My hypothesis, is he didn't because it was actually incriminating to KC and he somehow got a sealed ruling that it would not be allowed in evidence as it was under GA account, and there was no proof GA was the one who was on the computer. Furthermore, I bet the judge said something like, "GA is not the one on trial here.") So......... let's say that KC was searching suffocation.

Remember this article and this line:
"On the day 2-year-old Caylee Anthony disappeared, someone in her house used the computer to run suicide-related searches, on terms including "foolproof suffocation" and "venturing into the pro-suicide pit," according to Casey Anthony's defense attorney Jose Baez. " http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey-antho...5#.T_4la5GDlac



Now, go back to the time, when 'casey anthony' was an unknown - envision that she searched for "foolproof suffocation"
If we enter the text below, we might re-create how Casey got to the site mentioned. Think of it like an algebra problem. We have the answer (the site that was hit, and if we take out casey as that would eliminate all the current day hits and reports we can see if the words foolproof and suffocation appear!)

So we can search

venturing into the pro-suicide pit -Casey

or better still enter this:
venturing into the pro-suicide pit -Casey + foolproof suffocation


Either search takes you to the same blog!

I think that a search for "foolproof suffocation" led to the site http://www.spiked-online.com/site/printable/4633/ and that suicide was NEVER SEARCHED. NOTE - that this site is not about how to commit suicide, but rather this bloggers torrid venture into the world of online information about how to commit suicide.

Also note, that the site is called Spiked-online, not "venturing into the pro-suicide pit. That was the title of the blog entry, or article.

AGAIN -- I think JB is spinning this UNPUBLISHED forensic report, on these supposed searches, and he is not providing them because he doesn't want it to be discovered that the search was for 'fullproof or foolproof suffocation' methods and nothing to do with suicide at all.

I hope I have articulated this - please let me know if you follow or jump in if you see my point and can add to it.
Excellent post.
The only searches we heard about were in my words how to knock somebody off. Foolproof suffocation fits perfectly into it IMO. Which imo also explains the duct tape and garbage bags, she wasn't taking any chances that Caylee would survive.
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Did KC have both an AIM (AOL's instant messaging program) and IM (yahoo's instant messaging program) -- reason I am asking, is I wonder if JB is saying KC didn't have an AIM and that GA and CA had an AOL account (which was NOT Password protected, so anyone could have used them!) and playing semantics, to avoid being caught in another lie. Not that it matters, because the whole reason for it is to claim somebody searched for suicide and suffocation.

BUT ----------- let's say, since we don't have those computer forensics reports of this search, which would seem would have been exculpatory if as JB is trying to make people believe (IE - why didn't he present this at trial to point the finger to GA???) (My hypothesis, is he didn't because it was actually incriminating to KC and he somehow got a sealed ruling that it would not be allowed in evidence as it was under GA account, and there was no proof GA was the one who was on the computer. Furthermore, I bet the judge said something like, "GA is not the one on trial here.") So......... let's say that KC was searching suffocation.

Remember this article and this line:
"On the day 2-year-old Caylee Anthony disappeared, someone in her house used the computer to run suicide-related searches, on terms including "foolproof suffocation" and "venturing into the pro-suicide pit," according to Casey Anthony's defense attorney Jose Baez. " http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey-antho...5#.T_4la5GDlac



Now, go back to the time, when 'casey anthony' was an unknown - envision that she searched for "foolproof suffocation"
If we enter the text below, we might re-create how Casey got to the site mentioned. Think of it like an algebra problem. We have the answer (the site that was hit, and if we take out casey as that would eliminate all the current day hits and reports we can see if the words foolproof and suffocation appear!)

So we can search

venturing into the pro-suicide pit -Casey

or better still enter this:
venturing into the pro-suicide pit -Casey + foolproof suffocation


Either search takes you to the same blog!

I think that a search for "foolproof suffocation" led to the site http://www.spiked-online.com/site/printable/4633/ and that suicide was NEVER SEARCHED. NOTE - that this site is not about how to commit suicide, but rather this bloggers torrid venture into the world of online information about how to commit suicide.

Also note, that the site is called Spiked-online, not "venturing into the pro-suicide pit. That was the title of the blog entry, or article.

AGAIN -- I think JB is spinning this UNPUBLISHED forensic report, on these supposed searches, and he is not providing them because he doesn't want it to be discovered that the search was for 'fullproof or foolproof suffocation' methods and nothing to do with suicide at all.

I hope I have articulated this - please let me know if you follow or jump in if you see my point and can add to it.
Maybe I am missing something here (), but if these particular searches WERE made, why were they not reflected in doc drops from SA in computer forensic searches regardless of who made them?

And do we know for a fact that GA/CA had an AOL account? I am just not recalling seeing an email address, etc reflecting that?
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In fact, it is sort of like this analogy.

My dog has repeatedly told me that every day the cat eats his food. Day after day. It has doubled my pet food bill. The cat blames it on the fact that he lived in the alley before I took him in.

It is my opinion that the cat is telling the truth. What else could it be? It COULDN'T be because the dog is just a glutton and eats the food himself, could it?

Preposterous? Yeah....but plausible. If my dog could talk.
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Odd choice of word...pray? You pray that good people are silenced? Why? So YOU can make more money, Mr. G? Why not pray for the justice that Caylee deserves? Every lie that's published tarnishes her memory. She deserves the truth! There's only one victim here, and it surely isn't Baez!
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I personally don't think Mr G or Mr B is going to make a red cent here. I seriously doubt that this fly by night self publishing "house" has anything near the deep pockets of legitimate publishing houses like Random, etc...so seriously doubt we will see any kind of advance paid...

I also seriously doubt that they have even sold enough books to recoup their actual publishing costs, nor do I expect they will.

My father had 4 books published...no advance...pocket change per book after publishing costs met....isn't riding with the rich and famous...yet...LOL
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Odd choice of word...pray? You pray that good people are silenced? Why? So YOU can make more money, Mr. G? Why not pray for the justice that Caylee deserves? Every lie that's published tarnishes her memory. She deserves the truth! There's only one victim here, and it surely isn't Baez!
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I agree, it really is supposed to be about Caylee. Baez is not a victim of ours and Casey is not a victim of George's. They are adults who can choose how to live their lives. Caylee did not have that choice, and thanks to Casey she never will.
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Odd choice of word...pray? You pray that good people are silenced? Why? So YOU can make more money, Mr. G? Why not pray for the justice that Caylee deserves? Every lie that's published tarnishes her memory. She deserves the truth! There's only one victim here, and it surely isn't Baez!
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ETA: just realized this was a poster's comment (in disguise)? Silly comment, IMO.
My post may not have been clear. Mr. G is not praying (well, he probably is!). A lone "positive commenter" made the remarks in the comments section below the article.

ETA - just saw your ETA ... So disregard. My bad!
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Today was exhausting. Those ladies on the "View" have left me speechless. How can a network stand behind this rubbish? I'm so disgusted. Will there be apology for true victims tomorrow? I highly doubt it. I have no respect for the hosts allowing Jose's remarks to remain unchecked.
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Did KC have both an AIM (AOL's instant messaging program) and IM (yahoo's instant messaging program) -- reason I am asking, is I wonder if JB is saying KC didn't have an AIM and that GA and CA had an AOL account (which was NOT Password protected, so anyone could have used them!) and playing semantics, to avoid being caught in another lie. Not that it matters, because the whole reason for it is to claim somebody searched for suicide and suffocation.

BUT ----------- let's say, since we don't have those computer forensics reports of this search, which would seem would have been exculpatory if as JB is trying to make people believe (IE - why didn't he present this at trial to point the finger to GA???) (My hypothesis, is he didn't because it was actually incriminating to KC and he somehow got a sealed ruling that it would not be allowed in evidence as it was under GA account, and there was no proof GA was the one who was on the computer. Furthermore, I bet the judge said something like, "GA is not the one on trial here.") So......... let's say that KC was searching suffocation.

Remember this article and this line:
"On the day 2-year-old Caylee Anthony disappeared, someone in her house used the computer to run suicide-related searches, on terms including "foolproof suffocation" and "venturing into the pro-suicide pit," according to Casey Anthony's defense attorney Jose Baez. " http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey-antho...5#.T_4la5GDlac



Now, go back to the time, when 'casey anthony' was an unknown - envision that she searched for "foolproof suffocation"
If we enter the text below, we might re-create how Casey got to the site mentioned. Think of it like an algebra problem. We have the answer (the site that was hit, and if we take out casey as that would eliminate all the current day hits and reports we can see if the words foolproof and suffocation appear!)

So we can search

venturing into the pro-suicide pit -Casey

or better still enter this:
venturing into the pro-suicide pit -Casey + foolproof suffocation


Either search takes you to the same blog!

I think that a search for "foolproof suffocation" led to the site http://www.spiked-online.com/site/printable/4633/ and that suicide was NEVER SEARCHED. NOTE - that this site is not about how to commit suicide, but rather this bloggers torrid venture into the world of online information about how to commit suicide.

Also note, that the site is called Spiked-online, not "venturing into the pro-suicide pit. That was the title of the blog entry, or article.

AGAIN -- I think JB is spinning this UNPUBLISHED forensic report, on these supposed searches, and he is not providing them because he doesn't want it to be discovered that the search was for 'fullproof or foolproof suffocation' methods and nothing to do with suicide at all.

I hope I have articulated this - please let me know if you follow or jump in if you see my point and can add to it.
Iassen Donov, during his testimony, made it very clear that Casey communicated with him through AIM (Specifically he said AOL Instant Messenger, many times):
http://www.onenewspage.us/video/2011...-the-stand.htm

As for the suicide search - correct me if I am wrong, but did JB state that a search was for "foolproof suffocation" and the suicide page was looked at?
If you do a google search for "foolproof suffocation" and set the Custom Range (under "Show Search Tools") to, say, 4/1/2005 to 6/17/2008, the third entry in the list is "Venturing into the pro-suicide pit | Brendan O'Neill | spiked". This is the likely search result back in 2008.

It seems to me that "foolproof suffocation" could be thought of as a search similar to "neck-breaking" and "household weapons". Too bad the prosecution did not latch onto this and find a way to prove that casey was at the house at the time this search was made... We might have our answer as to how Caylee died

Sure would like to see these computer forensics reports JB claims to have on this. There is probably a reason he did not provide a copy of these reports in his books.
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I need to comment on Baez dum a$$ comment about Jaycee Dugard and Sean Hornbeck.

I believe what happened to those two children and others is part of The Stockholm Syndrome.

The more I think about his Idiotic Stupid comment about them the madder I get.
Coincidentally, last night I watched a repeat episode of 20/20 2 hr special on Investigative Discovery (first time I saw however) of the first interview Jaycee Dugard gave with Diane Sawyer and I was horrified, sad, awed by her heope and strength....just a whole range of emotions!

But tonight I am BEYOND OUTRAGED that her story is being used by damn Baez to try and depict credibility towards Casey.

I, for one, am thoroughly enjoying having a front row seat watching what is obviously the last wilting flickering of what Baez was hoping was a law career....and forget his dream of radio/talkshow host duties!
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My post may not have been clear. Mr. G is not praying (well, he probably is!). A lone "positive commenter" made the remarks in the comments section below the article.

ETA - just saw your ETA ... So disregard. My bad!
I lost my first post and lost track of what I was saying when I had to retype it...lol. Realized the error afterwards, and didn't have the strength to retype it- AGAIN!
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Yep...if he wanted a court to order us to cease and desist saying things that are not true he would have to prove the things said are in fact not true. The burden of proof is on the accuser.

Having to prove an accusation is exactly why "no one will ever be prosecuted for sexually abusing Casey." It cannot be proven because it never happened.
To which, I say - bring it on. Any takers on the first person I would have AZLawyer do a depo on? LMAO -----> Yeppers, KC herself!

(Now, would AZLawyer take my case???)
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I gave myself a time out for a bit to let the smoke stop coming out my ears.

I just watched the segment on The View with mute on. I haven't had the guts to watch it with sound yet. Maybe, if I've got nothing better to do, I'll make an attempt to do it tomorrow.

I noticed a few things. The only ones who smiled during the interview were Jose Baez and Joy Behar. Quite frankly, Joy's smile looked a bit on the derisive side to go along with the body language mentioned by others earlier.

From a silent POV, I got the feeling that Whoppie was not much welcome to ask questions. I believe Joy was also told to keep a leash on her tongue as well. At one point, Whoppie put her hand up to Joy's arm as if to warn her not to say anything off the cuff.

Just based on the fact that only BW and the lady next to her (don't know her name, never watch the show) did all the quotes from the text and "serious" questions. I'm betting they carefully rehearsed this whole interview.

Other than Hal over at the Orlando Sentinel, nobody in MSM has asked one single question about the strange stuff that has popped up in the book. I use the word "strange" because I don't want to accuse anyone of lying! Truely, the book could be considered science fiction, an alternate reality to go along with FCA's imaginary world.
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After watching JB's interview last nite.. and the one on the view today.. I serious believe He was told to watch it on what he said about the abuse.. He is not saying things in the same way he was a few days ago and It really strikes me as odd..
I think he was warned... not sure by who.. but I think he is trying to be more careful..... Im waiting for the fallout from what he said today compairing casey to real victims.

I also am really offended by him calling Ashton *tourettes boy*... Im wondering if the organizations for people with that affliction or family of those with are aware of his comments.. .. It is really abusive of him to use that in a way that He is .. as a put down.....
If i had it or one of my love ones did.. I would be quite upset.. i wonder what can be done about that if anything..
bbm did he say this in the book or on which show?
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