*DEVELOPING*CO Shooting at Movie Theater #2

[HMSHood]

I wonder if James Holmes could face federal charges for killing two soldiers.

[jjenny]

Eyewitness testimony is quite unreliable. Especially in a situation such as this.

[wfgodot]

Originally Posted by ggg

An eyewitness said;


“From what we saw he wasn’t alone, he had somebody with him. A second can of tear gas came from the other side… what he was wearing was thick, so I think he would stand out in a crowd”.


James Holmes Possible Second Shooter in tragic Batman Denver Shooting Eyewitness Account - YouTube

What's the news source of the video?

[rollinginit]

As far as the second person theory.....is it not possible he had a friend that opened the door for him? It is possible if that happened the friend had NO IDEA what happened would happen.

I personally don't think there was a second person. I think he was in that movie theater many times. He probably tried out that door many times. I can't see him NOT doing a test run beforehand

I wonder if they had cameras in the theater. I know our local one does. Actually both do and one is just a dollar theater.

[jjenny]

Originally Posted by rollinginit

As far as the second person theory.....is it not possible he had a friend that opened the door for him? It is possible if that happened the friend had NO IDEA what happened would happen.

I personally don't think there was a second person. I think he was in that movie theater many times. He probably tried out that door many times. I can't see him NOT doing a test run beforehand

I wonder if they had cameras in the theater. I know our local one does. Actually both do and one is just a dollar theater.

The guy is described as a loner.
Doesn't appear that he even had close friends.

[JDB]

From what was being said last night. It sounded like the LE feels he acted alone.

[sherbetjello]

Originally Posted by sfbaynancydrew

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Since James Holmes' only spoken indication of his "dark side" was saying, "i am the joker" does anyone know exactly what the jokers MO is in this movie???

I read this in the last thread, Ledger did not have red hair in that movie -- it was always GREEN or washed green/yellow.

From what I remember, the Joker in that movie was a ruthless robber.

Here is a good synopsis link:

http://batman.wikia.com/wiki/The_Joker_(Heath_Ledger)

[JBean]

yes we need a source for that youtube interview, please.

[wfgodot]

President Obama heading to visit shooting victims, families (AP)

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In his weekly radio address, Obama called for prayer and reflection on the shooting rampage in Aurora, Colo., which claimed 12 lives. He urged Americans to embrace the families who lost loved ones in Aurora and to "let them know we will be there for them as a nation."
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more at the link

[Benny08]

Yeah, pretty sure that kid didn't realize that the shooter entered, exited and re-entered in his gear. That canister from the other direction is interesting but he's probably wrong there too.

[Zoe Bogart]

I heard at least one guy say there was a second person (probably the one in the video above) but everyone else said the shooter was alone, especially the people who were sitting down in front near that door.

Although I believe one female said the bombs came from both sides, but she was sitting way up high in the theatre and could have just seen reflections from the events on the movie screen. I don't know. All other witnesses I've heard said "one person".

I'm also thinking they assumed the guy who went out the door wasn't the shooter, when in reality, it was.

[panthera]

Originally Posted by jjenny

The guy is described as a loner.
Doesn't appear that he even had close friends.

That is what I understood too after watching hours of coverage today.

[HMSHood]

Details on Colorado Shooting Suspect James Holmes
http://www.insideedition.com/news/85...es-holmes.aspx

I know this is from Inside Edition, so I don't know how reliable they are. This caught my attention.

Criminal profiler Pat Brown says Holmes is evidently a psychopath and she wouldn't be surprised if he had long history of mental problems.

"Nobody can commit a mass murder like this unless he's a psychopath. This is not a normal person who snapped. He was not healthy psychologically up until this particular day. This is a person who has always had problems with other people," said Brown.

[Benny08]

I don't think anyone has mentioned seeing JH and his red hair before the film have they? Did anyone say they remember him from before the movie?

[sherbetjello]

Not releasing the mugshot and covering his head while getting booked is disturbing me for some reason.

I feel that they would want the public to see that this disgrace is in the right spot; jail.

[pinkwaterlily]

Originally Posted by sfbaynancydrew

I suddenly wish I knew the plot/story to the Dark Knight. I'm going to have to read about it.

Since James Holmes' only spoken indication of his "dark side" was saying, "i am the joker" does anyone know exactly what the jokers MO is in this movie??? Does he use explosives, create traps for LE, etc? I'm just wondering if this guy is emulating something and wondering if he hasn't rigged more surprises to come. I really know NOTHING about Batman and am regretting that now!

The Joker's motive was to create chaos, which he succeeds in doing to some extent. The apt quote is something along the lines of "Some men like to watch the world burn." He does use explosives (both successfully and unsuccessfully) and creates traps for LE in a more roundabout way. The Joker does not rig an apartment to blow but uses a cellphone bomb to escape from the jail while most of the police and Batman are trying to rescue two District Attorneys in separate locations rigged with oil (or kerosene or gasoline, do not remember if it was specified) drums.

One irony to keep in mind is that Batman's origin story is that he watched a mugger murder his parents by shooting them so he does not use guns. He is suppose to be more of a thinking superhero.

It is also not the Joker who is the Batman villain that has red hair - it is the Riddler but he has not appeared in any of the recent Batman movies, only in one of the ones in the 90s.

[shadowraiths]

Okay, found a number of research papers discussing MicroRNA (MiRNA aka micro ribonucleic acid) biomarkers and possible correlation to various psychiatric disorders, to include but not limited to schizophrenia, bipolar, and autism. These papers primarily address MicroRNA dysregulation.

Here ( link ) is a peer-reviewed paper that is freely accessible.

MiRNA appears to be quite closely tied to genetic research, which is one of the many reasons I was trying to find more. Esp considering that this guy not only rigged his apartment but didn't suicide and immediately clammed up after telling LE about his place. I admittedly came away wondering if he had much, much, more nefarious plans, such as some sort of bioweapon, up his sleeve. Or rather, in his apartment.

Being totally unfamiliar with this field, I remain at a loss. However, since there are so many incredibly bright folk here, am hoping someone can/will clarify whether (or not) this is even something to be concerned about.

ETA ~ there is also this customer review ( link ) which indicates he was playing around with binding "something" to neural stem cell substrates.

[Zoe Bogart]

Here's another eyewitness statement.

Colorado mourns after theater shooting

http://www.9news.com/default.aspx

[Benji_UK]

Hi everyone,

I have to say this is a fascinating case. I have never heard of someone shooting up a cinema / booby-trapping up his own place before. I have been watching the coverage here in the UK. I have a few questions ..

When James Holmes left the cinema to get his weapons, did he leave the fire door propped open?

How long did the shooting last?

Any ideas if he had been to that cinema before?

[rollinginit]

I don't know if this has been bought up.....by the org. " to write Love on her arms" says that in one of the tv interviews in front of the parents (shooters) home yesterday....that bumper sticker was on their car.....TWLOHA.

You can read their statement on their web site.

[Benny08]

Originally Posted by Benji_UK

Hi everyone,

I have to say this is truly a fascinating case. I have never heard of someone shooting up a cinema / booby-trapping up his own place before. I have been watching the coverage here in the UK. I have a few questions ..

When James Holmes left the cinema to get his weapons, did he leave the fire door propped open?

How long did the shooting last?

Any ideas if he had been to that cinema before?

Yes he propped the door ajar.

Shooting lasted only a couple minutes.

He's probably been to that theater several times would be my guess. He'd probably at least driven around it a few times and I bet even watched movies and went out the back door to see what happens. But that's just a guess.

[badhorsie]

Originally Posted by sherbetjello

Not releasing the mugshot and covering his head while getting booked is disturbing me for some reason.

I feel that they would want the public to see that this disgrace is in the right spot; jail.

It disturbs me too, I wonder why we are not allowed to see his face...

[passionflower]

Originally Posted by sherbetjello

Not releasing the mugshot and covering his head while getting booked is disturbing me for some reason.

I feel that they would want the public to see that this disgrace is in the right spot; jail.

I am thinking he disfigured himself or someone helped tatoo him or something that LE must find out how/when etc.
All other mass murderers that were captured always had mugshots released.

[scorekeeper]

Originally Posted by ggg

An eyewitness said;


“From what we saw he wasn’t alone, he had somebody with him. A second can of tear gas came from the other side… what he was wearing was thick, so I think he would stand out in a crowd”.


James Holmes Possible Second Shooter in tragic Batman Denver Shooting Eyewitness Account - YouTube

I don't have an exact MSM link but I thought he bought a ticket, came into #9, went out fire door and proped it open so he could get back in. At which time, I thought he went to his car, dressed in full body armour, got his guns and came back in.

[Zoe Bogart]

Originally Posted by Benji_UK

Hi everyone,

I have to say this is truly a fascinating case. I have never heard of someone shooting up a cinema / booby-trapping up his own place before. I have been watching the coverage here in the UK. I have a few questions ..

When James Holmes left the cinema to get his weapons, did he leave the fire door propped open?

How long did the shooting last?

Any ideas if he had been to that cinema before?

Witnesses said the shooting lasted only a short time, maybe one to two minutes, but it seemed like forever.

Obviously he been to the theatre before to know the lay of it, where to park his car, and how to get in and out of the door.

I haven't heard if he propped the door. I wouldn't think he did although he probably fixed it so it would close but not lock, which can be done by putting tape or taping cardboard or a slime credit card over the latch hole.

When people say he propped the door, do they mean he left it wide open? Maybe I'm misunderstanding.