48 Hours/ David Cam case/Indiana State trooper

smellsarat · #1 01-22-2005, 10:03 PM

Anyone watch this tonight??? Wadda ya think??/ I dunno seems like they have really slim evidence to me...he is going to get a new trial.......I dunno it's one thing for Scott to kill his child within his wife.s' body..but for this guy to kill his two kids....I dunno...hard to believe..but the first set of jurors certainly did.............

WordsofWisdom · #2 01-22-2005, 10:06 PM

Yeah- just watched it..

The blood spatter on his shirt and shoes seems to be the major piece of evidence. The motive? He molested his daughter and his wife found out~ game over. As a trooper his life was over anyway, he had nothing to lose at that point.

cecilia · #3 01-22-2005, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WordsofWisdom

Yeah- just watched it..

The blood spatter on his shirt and shoes seems to be the major piece of evidence. The motive? He molested his daughter and his wife found out~ game over. As a trooper his life was over anyway, he had nothing to lose at that point.

No question --- hope they put him away for good next time -- so sad for the victim's family to have to go through it again -- interesting that the jurors had trouble believing he could kill his children even with all the evidence and the parade of affairs --

WordsofWisdom · #4 01-22-2005, 10:50 PM

I did miss one thing though- can you fill me in?

WHEN QUESTIONING A JUROR (WOMAN) SHE WAS AN NG IN THE BEGINNING- SOMETHING WAS SAID (BY THE DEFENDANT?) THAT PUSHED HER OVER THE LINE.. WHAT WAS IT?

Sorry about the caps.. hit the wrong key- too lazy to change.

cecilia · #5 01-22-2005, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by WordsofWisdom

I did miss one thing though- can you fill me in?

WHEN QUESTIONING A JUROR (WOMAN) SHE WAS AN NG IN THE BEGINNING- SOMETHING WAS SAID (BY THE DEFENDANT?) THAT PUSHED HER OVER THE LINE.. WHAT WAS IT?

Sorry about the caps.. hit the wrong key- too lazy to change.

If you mean the middle-aged juror with the red-hair, she was actually convinced by another juror she trusted, who said they'd stake their own life and their own daughters life that Cam was guilty -- she gave in to guilty based on that.

WordsofWisdom · #6 01-22-2005, 11:15 PM

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If you mean the middle-aged juror with the red-hair, she was actually convinced by another juror she trusted, who said they'd stake their own life and their own daughters life that Cam was guilty -- she gave in to guilty based on that.

Yeah..that's the ticket!
Thanks!

smellsarat · #7 01-23-2005, 12:38 AM

Yeah but you are assuming that he did molest the girl yet they said he would have molested her just before he killed her.....I guess if the wife caught him??? but didn't seem to be enough time ...and if she suspected it before why not show something to the family that there was something troubling her........I dunno...yet the basketball players all said he skipped one of the games...sounds like he set the whole thing up.............

yadler · #8 01-23-2005, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by smellsarat

Anyone watch this tonight??? Wadda ya think??/ I dunno seems like they have really slim evidence to me...he is going to get a new trial.......I dunno it's one thing for Scott to kill his child within his wife.s' body..but for this guy to kill his two kids....I dunno...hard to believe..but the first set of jurors certainly did.............

I watched it. Slim evidence? The little girl had defintely been molested and the defense wants all of that expunged from the next trial.. And the one hour descrepancy because of the time zone? And as with Peterson, who else could have done it.

smellsarat · #9 01-23-2005, 11:48 AM

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I watched it. Slim evidence? The little girl had defintely been molested and the defense wants all of that expunged from the next trial.. And the one hour descrepancy because of the time zone? And as with Peterson, who else could have done it.

Was it proven that he molested the child???

yadler · #10 01-23-2005, 11:52 AM

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Was it proven that he molested the child???

What do you mean by "proven?" It was the medical examiner's sworn testimony at trial.

WordsofWisdom · #11 01-23-2005, 11:57 AM

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Was it proven that he molested the child???

The child was molested in my opinion- based on what I heard on this show.
The child was of an age where she would have limited social engagements- or at least not without her parents KNOWING who she had been with- if not with them. The child was old enough to tell someone, and perhaps she did.

Is the Defense saying that she wasn't molested?
Or are they just saying that HE didn't molest her?
I may have missed that part.

yadler · #12 01-23-2005, 12:01 PM

At the conclusion of the TV show, it was stated that the defense wants the molestation of the daughter kept out of the second trial. That just about says it all as far as I am concerned.

WordsofWisdom · #13 01-23-2005, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by yadler

At the conclusion of the TV show, it was stated that the defense wants the molestation of the daughter kept out of the second trial. That just about says it all as far as I am concerned.

Even though it wasn't proven that HE molested the child, I agree with Yadler...it certainly takes it to the Probable side.

smellsarat · #14 01-23-2005, 12:10 PM

What I am asking is if it was proven that HE alone was the molester...they said she would have had to be molested just before she was killed............

WordsofWisdom · #15 01-23-2005, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by smellsarat

What I am asking is if it was proven that HE alone was the molester...they said she would have had to be molested just before she was killed............

I don't think they did prove that.
But didn't the Coroner say that it could have been HOURS before?
PLUS the grandmother said she had noticed this before.

Marthatex · #16 01-23-2005, 12:35 PM

I started watching it and then it made me too sick. I saw him crying though and it seemed fake. Womens' intuition.

yadler · #17 01-23-2005, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by smellsarat

What I am asking is if it was proven that HE alone was the molester...they said she would have had to be molested just before she was killed............

You have to examine the time-line. The phone records indicated a phone call coming from the house at 7:16 yet, upon examination, it was discovered that because of the time zone change, that should have been recorded as 6:16. A little bit of digital (?) rape, the wife finds out, he does the deed and is on the basketball court just in the for the game to start.

yadler · #18 01-23-2005, 01:32 PM

He sure has befed up in prison, hasn't he? I am so glad that the prison facilities allow him the opportunity of muscularizing his upper body.

Lauren · #19 01-23-2005, 01:42 PM

Dang. I missed it...

WordsofWisdom · #20 01-23-2005, 03:10 PM

VERY good article about this.

They arrived quickly and Camm told them that he had found his son strapped into the car in the garage and had tried to revive him before he realized the entire family was dead. But there was nothing at the scene to indicate that Camm had indeed been near his son.

VERY good article about this.

smellsarat · #21 01-24-2005, 01:27 PM

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VERY good article about this.

They arrived quickly and Camm told them that he had found his son strapped into the car in the garage and had tried to revive him before he realized the entire family was dead. But there was nothing at the scene to indicate that Camm had indeed been near his son.

VERY good article about this.

Thanks WOW..that article mentions a lot of insurance...and some only two months before the murders...I don't think that was mentioned on 48 HRS...interesting...It will be interesting when he is re-tried...........

Newswolf · #22 01-24-2005, 07:21 PM

I've been following this one too. Camm has a hearing Wed. asking to be released from jail till he is retried. The pros. has said he has new evidence in the case, supposedly an admission of guilt to someone unspecified.

http://www.news-tribune.net/articles...une/news01.txt

Floyd County Prosecutor Keith Henderson announced yesterday that he will retry the case based on new information and a confidential informant who has come forward. Henderson made the announcement yesterday afternoon amid a crowd of reporters and many of Camm's family members.

http://www.news-tribune.net/articles...une/news08.txt

Floyd County Prosecutor Keith Henderson filed an amended probable cause affidavit that, among other things, points to possible molestation of Jill Camm as a motive. The affidavit states that the young girl had "blunt trauma to the vagina that was consistent with sexual molestation." Indiana State Police Det. Gary Gilbert, lead investigator in the case, also stated in the affidavit that he interviewed a medical expert who advised that she studied Jill's autopsy "and came to the conclusion that the trauma to Jill Camm's vaginal area is consistent with" sexual abuse.

Gilbert also stated numerous sexual devices were found in the master bedroom of the Camm home. He also stated that a cover was found on David Camm's bed in the master bedroom that had sperm of David Camm and body fluids from Jill Camm.

The affidavit also speaks to a confidential informant in the investigation. Henderson did not give many details on the informant, other than it was someone who had recently spoken to investigators. In the affidavit, Gilbert stated that "During my investigation, I received information from a confidential informant that advised me that David Camm told him that Camm shot and killed his wife and two children."

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The defense filed discovery motions today arguing that the pros. failed to disclose the name of that witness and other things. I'll post a link when I locate it.

Newswolf · #23 01-25-2005, 07:49 PM

The DA just made a smart move.

http://www.thelouisvillechannel.com/...66/detail.html

The prosecutor in the David Camm case decided to take a confidential informant off of his witness list for the time being.
The decision comes just one day before a hearing that will decide if Camm is eligible for bail.
The informant claims Camm, a former Indiana state trooper, admitted to killing his wife and two children.

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Camm's attorney said Floyd County Prosecutor Keith Henderson is taking the informant off the table to prevent them from investigating the person's claims.
Henderson said this is a legit maneuver to protect his case and his witness.

Newswolf · #24 01-27-2005, 10:54 AM

I can't believe he gets released till the retrial!!

http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/10744255.htm

A former Indiana state trooper who was expected to be retried on charges of murdering his wife and two young children is eligible to be released from jail on a $20,000 cash bond, a judge ruled.
Katharine Liell, one of David Camm's lawyers, said the bond should be posted and arrangements made for his release from the Floyd County Jail within a couple of days.
Camm sat quietly with his lawyers when Warrick Superior Court Judge Robert Aylsworth announced his decision during a hearing Wednesday. Aylsworth also scheduled Camm's retrial for Aug. 8 through Sept. 9.

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/...WS01/301270001

Lockhart said he and Camm want to find the murderer.
He also said he would be willing to post bond for his nephew. He said that he had $10,000 available and that he might be able to find $20,000, though "it will be pushing it."
There also were extensive arguments at yesterday's hearing about the timing of a phone call that was made from Camm's house the night of the murders.

Newswolf · #25 01-27-2005, 05:19 PM

He's been released.

http://www.whas11.com/topstories/sto....4d6f2bf6.html

“We were glad we were able to get this done today, but if not, we would have waited another day if we had to,” says Sam Lockhart. “I anticipate his first night at home will be a quiet one with just the family. We all have to get used to each other, because David’s been locked up for four years.”