48 Hours/ David Cam case/Indiana State trooper

smellsarat · #1 01-22-2005, 09:03 PM

Anyone watch this tonight??? Wadda ya think??/ I dunno seems like they have really slim evidence to me...he is going to get a new trial.......I dunno it's one thing for Scott to kill his child within his wife.s' body..but for this guy to kill his two kids....I dunno...hard to believe..but the first set of jurors certainly did.............

WordsofWisdom · #2 01-22-2005, 09:06 PM

Yeah- just watched it..

The blood spatter on his shirt and shoes seems to be the major piece of evidence. The motive? He molested his daughter and his wife found out~ game over. As a trooper his life was over anyway, he had nothing to lose at that point.

cecilia · #3 01-22-2005, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WordsofWisdom

Yeah- just watched it..

The blood spatter on his shirt and shoes seems to be the major piece of evidence. The motive? He molested his daughter and his wife found out~ game over. As a trooper his life was over anyway, he had nothing to lose at that point.

No question --- hope they put him away for good next time -- so sad for the victim's family to have to go through it again -- interesting that the jurors had trouble believing he could kill his children even with all the evidence and the parade of affairs --

WordsofWisdom · #4 01-22-2005, 09:50 PM

I did miss one thing though- can you fill me in?

WHEN QUESTIONING A JUROR (WOMAN) SHE WAS AN NG IN THE BEGINNING- SOMETHING WAS SAID (BY THE DEFENDANT?) THAT PUSHED HER OVER THE LINE.. WHAT WAS IT?

Sorry about the caps.. hit the wrong key- too lazy to change.

cecilia · #5 01-22-2005, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by WordsofWisdom

I did miss one thing though- can you fill me in?

WHEN QUESTIONING A JUROR (WOMAN) SHE WAS AN NG IN THE BEGINNING- SOMETHING WAS SAID (BY THE DEFENDANT?) THAT PUSHED HER OVER THE LINE.. WHAT WAS IT?

Sorry about the caps.. hit the wrong key- too lazy to change.

If you mean the middle-aged juror with the red-hair, she was actually convinced by another juror she trusted, who said they'd stake their own life and their own daughters life that Cam was guilty -- she gave in to guilty based on that.

WordsofWisdom · #6 01-22-2005, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cecilia

If you mean the middle-aged juror with the red-hair, she was actually convinced by another juror she trusted, who said they'd stake their own life and their own daughters life that Cam was guilty -- she gave in to guilty based on that.

Yeah..that's the ticket!
Thanks!

nanandjim · #7 02-01-2005, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cecilia

If you mean the middle-aged juror with the red-hair, she was actually convinced by another juror she trusted, who said they'd stake their own life and their own daughters life that Cam was guilty -- she gave in to guilty based on that.

If my memory serves me, the juror wasn't convinced with the high velocity blood spatter evidence on the shirt. The other juror that she came to trust was very convinced with the evidence. He was so convinced that he said that he would stake his own daughter's life that it was accurate. That convinced her to switch her vote.

I think that David Camm was certainly clever in the murders, but I believe that he definitely did it. I think that he was molesting his daughter. The cops say they have even more proof that he was molesting the girl. However, his attorneys are fighting to keep the molestation allegations out of the trial.

Plus, I can't believe the conviction was overturned because evidence of his adultery was allowed into testimony. So what? That goes to show you what kind of guy he is.

When I watched this show, that sister screaming loudly about how is was wrongly convicted reminded me of Janey Peterson.

yadler · #8 01-23-2005, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by smellsarat

Anyone watch this tonight??? Wadda ya think??/ I dunno seems like they have really slim evidence to me...he is going to get a new trial.......I dunno it's one thing for Scott to kill his child within his wife.s' body..but for this guy to kill his two kids....I dunno...hard to believe..but the first set of jurors certainly did.............

I watched it. Slim evidence? The little girl had defintely been molested and the defense wants all of that expunged from the next trial.. And the one hour descrepancy because of the time zone? And as with Peterson, who else could have done it.

smellsarat · #9 01-23-2005, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by yadler

I watched it. Slim evidence? The little girl had defintely been molested and the defense wants all of that expunged from the next trial.. And the one hour descrepancy because of the time zone? And as with Peterson, who else could have done it.

Was it proven that he molested the child???

yadler · #10 01-23-2005, 10:52 AM

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Was it proven that he molested the child???

What do you mean by "proven?" It was the medical examiner's sworn testimony at trial.

WordsofWisdom · #11 01-23-2005, 10:57 AM

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Was it proven that he molested the child???

The child was molested in my opinion- based on what I heard on this show.
The child was of an age where she would have limited social engagements- or at least not without her parents KNOWING who she had been with- if not with them. The child was old enough to tell someone, and perhaps she did.

Is the Defense saying that she wasn't molested?
Or are they just saying that HE didn't molest her?
I may have missed that part.

yadler · #12 01-23-2005, 11:01 AM

At the conclusion of the TV show, it was stated that the defense wants the molestation of the daughter kept out of the second trial. That just about says it all as far as I am concerned.

WordsofWisdom · #13 01-23-2005, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by yadler

At the conclusion of the TV show, it was stated that the defense wants the molestation of the daughter kept out of the second trial. That just about says it all as far as I am concerned.

Even though it wasn't proven that HE molested the child, I agree with Yadler...it certainly takes it to the Probable side.

Kimmer · #14 01-25-2006, 09:17 PM

Tonight the jury came back with a guilty verdict on 4 counts of Charles Boney the co-conspirator to this horrific crime--Guilty count 1 Murder of Kim Camm, Guilty count 2 Murder of Jill Camm and guilty of count 3 Murder of Brad Camm, plus a 4th count of conspiracy with David Camm---The David Camm murder retrial is still ongoing in Warrick County Indiana, Most of the people from this area are really hoping that Boney will roll on Camm and testify at that trial to get the truth about this case. Myself being a personal friend of Kim Camms brother in Law I can tell you the family looked like crap on T.V tonight, but after 2 1/2 trials who could expect anything less....I would really like to see both men get the death sentence, but we may have to settle on Boney getting a lesser sentence to get the real mastermind behind this horrendunce and completly sensless crime....

===Charles Boney 1 down 1 to go

god bless kim, jill & brad and the Renn family

Kimmer

nanandjim · #15 01-30-2006, 01:33 PM

More information on Boney and Camm at this link:
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/...template=theme

Al_B · #16 10-13-2007, 06:20 PM

"LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- A former Indiana state trooper has asked the Indiana Supreme Court to overturn his conviction of murdering his wife and two children seven years ago."
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Camm was convicted in 2002 of murdering his wife, Kimberly, 35, along his children, Jill, 5, Bradley, 7, in the garage of their home in the southern Indiana town of Georgetown in September 2000. He was serving a 195-year prison sentence when the state appeals court overturned the verdict, ruling that testimony about Camm's extramarital affairs had unfairly biased jurors"

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/1...s=ind&psp=news

This scares me

Bobbisangel · #17 10-14-2007, 03:31 AM

I remember his second trial...I followed that one and I believe CTV had it on.
I hope to heck he doesn't get away with murdering his whole family. I remember that he tried to blame it on some guy that was supposedly there at the time of the murders. Can't remember what happened to the second guy but he may have been sent up too. I firmly believe that David Cam is responsible for the murders of his whole family. I remember that his alibi was he was playing in a ball game but the Pros figured out that he wasn't seen at the game during the whole game and could have gone home and went back.
I don't see how he can get away with saying that two trials were messed up.

Al_B · #18 10-15-2007, 08:14 AM

I just hope the conviction is held up,it's making its way in the news here so I will try to keep it updated.
"The Floyd County prosecutor's office declined to comment on the filing. Prosecutor Keith Henderson has said previously that he believes the verdict will be upheld. The Indiana attorney general's office said it would seek to uphold Camm's conviction"
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...OCAL/710150398

cheko1 · #19 10-15-2007, 10:32 AM

Would be a sad day if the conviction were overturned.....he needs to rot for killing his family!

nanandjim · #20 10-15-2007, 10:58 AM

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Would be a sad day if the conviction were overturned.....he needs to rot for killing his family!

I agree. David Camm is responsible for his family's deaths. A guy named, Bonet or something like that, was also convicted. He refused to testify against Camm. I really wish that he'd change his mind. I guess that he would have to spend his life in protective custody if he did.

CaliKid · #21 10-15-2007, 05:44 PM

Camm's extramarital affairs provided motive. This sounds like another way to hamstring a trial and make it more difficult to try murderers.

CyberLaw · #22 10-16-2007, 03:36 PM

The affairs are not motive, but it does goes to character. There could be some people that see if he had affairs, then he murdered his family. But one does not equal the other. Bias by some jurors as a man having one or more affairs has to do with the value system or morals. We all know how people feel about others that have had affairs. So yes, it was correct to over turn the vedict, because the affairs were not proven to go to motive, nor used as motive.

Now with the next one, I don't know. It may be similiar, but hoping that the verdict is upheld.

GlitchWizard · #23 10-16-2007, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberLaw

The affairs are not motive, but it does goes to character. There could be some people that see if he had affairs, then he murdered his family. But one does not equal the other. Bias by some jurors as a man having one or more affairs has to do with the value system or morals. We all know how people feel about others that have had affairs. So yes, it was correct to over turn the vedict, because the affairs were not proven to go to motive, nor used as motive.

Now with the next one, I don't know. It may be similiar, but hoping that the verdict is upheld.

I agree. Not everyone who has an affair murders their family, but certainly anyone on a jury who was cheated on would have that anger of their own in the back of their mind.

That's how I was with OJ. I didn't care if he killed his ex wife and lover or not - I wanted him convicted simply because he had beaten her previously.

And I'm not a bad person, I just have feelings from being a victim of abuse in my past that would have clouded my judgement in his case.

Amraann · #24 10-16-2007, 04:16 PM

I don't understand how the extra marital affair could cause an overturn???

I agree it goes to motive... If the state has the burden to proof beyond reasonable doubt then what is wrong with the jury hearing this??

It would only be wrong IMO if the affair was not proven.

Kimmer · #25 05-30-2009, 03:20 AM

If anyone is interested in reading about what really happened during both of David Camms trial please visit justicefordavidcamm.com

I know that this seems like an open and shut case, but believe me I live in the area that this happened in and there were so many rumors floating around with the sole propose to do a Character Assassination of David Camm..

When this case first began I was sure that David was guilty but after taking out all the speculation, wild arse theory's and just getting down to the lack of evidence against David, it became clear that an 11 time convicted criminal Charles Boney and possible his girlfriend at the time were the ones responsible for this horrific crime

with all of that being said I truly hope the appeals court overturns this case once and for all and does it to where he can never be tried again..

If you visit justicefordavidcamm.com you can see the appellate court that was held in May 2008 and I think you will see that they were still unhappy with the way that this case was handled by both Floyd County Prosecutors and on top of that there are abuse of power, malicious prosecution, and perjury charges that can be filed on prosecutors, and expert witness's for the State..

It is time this charade stop and Davis freedom is returned

Kimmer