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Old 06-30-2013, 07:08 PM
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MD - Rosedale - WhtFem UP2877, 20-50, Behind El Rich Motel, Aug'07, Elizabeth Barrett

NamUs UP # 2557 https://identifyus.org/en/cases/2877



Unidentified White Female

Found August 31, 2007 at 1110 Batavia Farm Road, Rosedale (Baltimore County) MD

Vital Statistics
* Age: 20-50
* Height: 64" (5 feet 4 inches)
* Weight: 102 lbs (Estimated)
* Hair Color: Dark Brown
* Scars and Marks: No obvious scars.
* Tattoos: None Noted
* Other Medical Info: No evidence of significant recent injury or medical intervention or needle track marks.
Clothing
* Clothing on Body: Beige t-shirt, velvet type brown pants, White Reebok tennis shoes, Size 7
Condition of Remains
* Probable Year of Death: 2007
* Est. Postmortem Interval: Months
* Comments: Not recognizable - Near complete or complete skeleton
Circumstances
* Comments: Subject was found lying in a wooded area behind the El Rich Motel on Pulaski Highway (Route 40).
Identifiers
* Dental: Available
Upper (R to L, 01-16) N N A N P N N N N N OI N N P N N
Lower (R to L, 32-17) i P N N N N N P P P N P R F F I

#11 - primary canine may have been retained in arch and lost PM; permanent canine palatally impacted. See images.
#17 - partial impaction.
#32 - fully impacted.
* DNA: full mtDNA profile at national CODIS; STR profile at UNT for comparisons
* Fingerprints: Not Available
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The decedent has been identified as Elizabeth Antoinette ("Toni") Barrett



http://www.nampn.org/cases/barrett_elizabeth.html

Timeline: 10 days from 21-Aug-2007 to 31-Aug-2007 (Postmortem interval was estimated as "Months")
Height: Toni was listed as 59 inches (4'11") tall. UP2877 was estimated as 64" (5'4") tall.
Race: Toni was listed as "Black/African American". UP2877 was listed as "White".
Location: Toni was last seen at NYC getting off a bus. UP2877 was found in Rosedale MD, about 180 miles away.
Clothing: The brand of shoes (Reeboks) match; however, her MP listing describes them as Blue&White, while NamUs describes the shoes as simply, White. Her MP listing says she was wearing dark denim jeans and a dark hoodie. The remains were found with a beige tee shirt, and brown velvet-type pants.

Her age (43) was inline with the 20-50 estimate.

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Here is the NAMPN casefile so that it remains viewable after the casefile is closed.

North American Missing Persons Network

Elizabeth Antoinette Barrett


Above Image: Barrett

Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance

Missing Since: August 21, 2007 from NYC Port Authority, New York
Classification: Missing
Date Of Birth: November 6, 1963
Age: 43
Height: 4'11"
Weight: 125 - 130 lbs
Hair Color: Dark Brown
Eye Color: Dark Brown
Race: Black
Gender: Female
Clothing: Dark denim jeans, dark blue sweater hoody,
blue & white Reeboks,
tan purse.
AKA: Toni
Case Number: 07-13691-OF

Details of Disappearance
Elizabeth boarded the 4:15PM bus headed to Greensboro, NC from the Peter Pan Bus station in Springfield, MA. She was to have a 40-minute layover at the Port Authority in New York City and board a connecting bus headed towards Richmond, VA. She was seen getting off the bus at NYC Port Athority for her transfer bus and was never seen again.

Her luggage arrived at the Greensboro Greyhound bus station one day after she was due to arrive. According to Greyhound her luggage was put on a bus in NYC headed towards Richmond at 8:21AM Wednesday 8/22/07, Over 12 hours after she arrived in NYC.
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So glad she has been identified after such a long time.
Now her family have closure and she can RIP.
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Maybe we should just start submitting potential matches at random.
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The decedent has been identified as Elizabeth Antoinette ("Toni") Barrett



http://www.nampn.org/cases/barrett_elizabeth.html

Timeline: 10 days from 21-Aug-2007 to 31-Aug-2007 (Postmortem interval was estimated as "Months")
Height: Toni was listed as 59 inches (4'11") tall. UP2877 was estimated as 64" (5'4") tall.
Race: Toni was listed as "Black/African American". UP2877 was listed as "White".
Location: Toni was last seen at NYC getting off a bus. UP2877 was found in Rosedale MD, about 180 miles away.
Clothing: The brand of shoes (Reeboks) match; however, her MP listing describes them as Blue&White, while NamUs describes the shoes as simply, White. Her MP listing says she was wearing dark denim jeans and a dark hoodie. The remains were found with a beige tee shirt, and brown velvet-type pants.

Her age (43) was inline with the 20-50 estimate.
Wow, they were really off. Makes you wonder, huh.
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Oh yes. I am trying to be patient, but it seems clear that there was a set of fingerprints taken from Jane Doe which should have triggered a match in AFIS.

And there is that pesky "white" classification.....

It is a good lesson. Never, ever assume that the race classification is completely reliable.
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Maybe we should just start submitting potential matches at random.
To be fair, she WAS a woman. And she was found in Maryland. They did get that right.



To be honest, looking at Ms. Toni's picture, I wouldn't be able to guess what race she was. BUT according to her family she had hair that was very distinctly of an African American texture. That should have been a HUGE clue.
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This is bad. There are a lot of UID's in MD. I am not sure how to approach the rest of them. I could be wrong, but it seems like it was a rush job.
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Looking at that reconstruction you could not tell me that she was white. That reconstruction looks 100% African American.
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Looking at that reconstruction you could not tell me that she was white. That reconstruction looks 100% African American.
Agreed.

We have some folks on the Toni Barrett thread beating themselves up about missing her as a possible match. Myself included. Passed her right by because of the white designation. Absolutely everything else matched up including the clothing description.

Curious thing about the motel-if you take a look at Google Maps, it isnt clear at all that she was associated with the location of the El Rich. jmo.
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I'm not familiar with Toni's case; does someone know if she was biracial (African and Caucasian)? If she was, the racial misclassification seems understandable.
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I'm not familiar with Toni's case; does someone know if she was biracial (African and Caucasian)? If she was, the racial misclassification seems understandable.
Not according to family and they made it a point of sharing that Toni's hair was unmistakeable.
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Agreed.

We have some folks on the Toni Barrett thread beating themselves up about missing her as a possible match. Myself included. Passed her right by because of the white designation. Absolutely everything else matched up including the clothing description.

Curious thing about the motel-if you take a look at Google Maps, it isnt clear at all that she was associated with the location of the El Rich. jmo.
I think LE just wrote this Jane Doe (who we now know is Ms. Toni) off as homeless person or junkie or prostitute. I think they wrote her off as disposable. And that really ticks me off. Even if she WAS any of those things, she is still someone's daughter, friend, sister, mother or what have you. LE didn't just drop the ball. They walked away before it was even tossed.

Ms. Toni deserved more respect than this.
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I think you are right necco-but Toni's case was hampered out of the gate by all of the push back between jurisdictions. And the story is a common one for people on the fringe who go missing. It is easy to get resources for the beauty queens-not so much women like Toni and Jane Doe.
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