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Old 11-02-2013, 09:11 PM
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NC - Kill Devil Hills, WhtFem UP11712, 16-21, Found On Beach, Mar'13

I did a search, but didn't find this UID. Remains found March 22, 2013 on the beach in Kill Devil Hills, NC. Not entered into Namus until Oct 29, 2013. **Mods if there is already a thread for this, please delete**

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Case Report - NamUs UP # 11721
Case Information
Status Unidentified
Case number 13-2959
Date found March 22, 2013 00:00
Date created October 29, 2013 11:36
Date last modified October 29, 2013 23:05
Investigating agency
date QA reviewed
Local Contact (ME/C or Other)
Agency NC Ofc of the Chief Med Exmnr
Phone 919-966-2253
Case Manager
Name Clyde Gibbs
Phone 800.672.7024
Demographics
Estimated age Adult - Pre 30
Minimum age 16 years
Maximum age 21 years
Race White
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Sex Female
Weight (pounds) , Cannot Estimate
Height (inches) , Cannot Estimate
Body Parts Inventory (Check all that apply)
All parts recovered
Head not recovered
Torso not recovered
One or more limbs not recovered
One or both hands not recovered
Body conditions
Not recognizable - Partial skeletal parts only
Probable year of death to
Estimated postmortem interval
Circumstances
Location Found
GPS coordinates
Address 1 1921 N. Virginia Dare Trail
Address 2
City Kill Devil Hills
State North Carolina
Zip code
County Dare
Circumstances
Found on the beach.
Physical
Hair color
Head hair
Body hair
Facial hair
Left eye color
Right eye color
Eye description
No other distinctive body features
Distinctive features as described below
Amputations
Deformities
Scars and marks
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and aids
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physical characteristics
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Skeletal findings
Organ absent
Prior surgery
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Fingerprints
Status: Fingerprint information is currently not available
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Clothing on body
Clothing with body
Footwear
Jewelry
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with body
Dental
Status: Dental information / charting is available and entered
DNA
Status: Sample available - Not yet submitted
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Old 11-02-2013, 09:38 PM
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Wow! I can't believe I didn't hear about this. I'm guessing she washed up on shore. Too many people in that area even in March I think not to notice for too long. These are the hardest I think. Was this a drowning? A suicide? A boating accident? Ancient shipwreck remains or an actual crime? Who was that girl who disappeared in SC a few years ago? Britanee Drexel? If it is a known missing person with dentals in NamUs hopefully they will get a hit. I love KDH and Dare County so much, it's hard to think about anything bad happening there.
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Old 11-02-2013, 10:23 PM
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Wow! I can't believe I didn't hear about this. I'm guessing she washed up on shore. Too many people in that area even in March I think not to notice for too long. These are the hardest I think. Was this a drowning? A suicide? A boating accident? Ancient shipwreck remains or an actual crime? Who was that girl who disappeared in SC a few years ago? Britanee Drexel? If it is a known missing person with dentals in NamUs hopefully they will get a hit. I love KDH and Dare County so much, it's hard to think about anything bad happening there.
I am wondering why so long to get her entered into Namus??? I can't really find anything on Google about this either. The only note on Namus was "found on the beach". And she was so young!
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Old 11-02-2013, 10:26 PM
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Would like to find out more about the condition of the body to determine how long they think she had been deceased. They were able to determine she was a white female 16-21 years old. However, torso, one or more limbs and one or more hands were not recovered.
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Old 11-02-2013, 11:00 PM
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I think it might be hard to tell with what they have.
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Old 11-03-2013, 01:33 AM
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Man ... if she washed up on the beach and her remains are skeletal, she could be from anywhere and died at any time. There are over 510 girls fitting the UID's description on NamUs.
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Old 11-03-2013, 02:42 AM
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Anyway, here are girls missing from North Carolina and two neighboring states. Along with the distance from their place of disappearance to where the UID was found.

NORTH CAROLINA
Virginia Wood from Chocowinty - 117 miles
Christina Lewis from New Bern - 150 miles
Jessica Garino from Goldsboro - 198 miles
Zoe Wood from Raleigh - 203 miles
Cynthia Perry from Raleigh - 203 miles
Elizabeth Sykora from Creedmore - 223 miles
Frankie Horsely from Fayetteville - 243 miles
Kelly Gaskins from West Dover - 270 miles
Angela Hamby from Wilkesboro - 358 miles
Jessica Hooks from Charlotte - 367 miles

VIRGINIA
Julie Frasier from Norfolk - 73 miles
Barbara Monaco from Virginia Beach - 89 miles
Marcia Remick from Virginia Beach - 89 miles
Cassandra Hailey from Grafton - 103 miles
Patricia Schmidt Henrico - 165 miles
Thylea Chrisholm from Chesterfield - 171 miles
Kimberly Britts from Charlottesville - 240 miles
Samantha Clarke from Orange - 245 miles
Rachel Good for Elkton - 271 miles
Bethany Decker from Ashburn - 291 miles
Kelly Dove from Harrisonburg - 301 miles
Gina Hall from Radford - 394 miles
Barbara Hunt from Marion - 421 miles

SOUTH CAROLINA
Brittanee Drexel from Myrtle Beach - 318 miles
Deavin Burchell from Florence - 326 miles
Sherri Puzjak from Orangeburg - 415 miles
Tina Crouch from Gaffton - 416 miles
Heather Sellars from Spartanburg - 439 miles
Viridiana Maldonado - North Charleston - 453 miles
Brook Henson from Travelers Rest - 473 miles
Billie Jo Beam-Hughes from Williamston - 481 miles
Tebbie Garrett from Pickens - 486 miles
Kristina Porco - 495 miles
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Old 11-03-2013, 09:38 AM
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Anyway, here are girls missing from North Carolina and two neighboring states. Along with the distance from their place of disappearance to where the UID was found.

NORTH CAROLINA
Virginia Wood from Chocowinty - 117 miles
Christina Lewis from New Bern - 150 miles
Jessica Garino from Goldsboro - 198 miles
Zoe Wood from Raleigh - 203 miles
Cynthia Perry from Raleigh - 203 miles
Elizabeth Sykora from Creedmore - 223 miles
Frankie Horsely from Fayetteville - 243 miles
Kelly Gaskins from West Dover - 270 miles
Angela Hamby from Wilkesboro - 358 miles
Jessica Hooks from Charlotte - 367 miles

VIRGINIA
Julie Frasier from Norfolk - 73 miles
Barbara Monaco from Virginia Beach - 89 miles
Marcia Remick from Virginia Beach - 89 miles
Cassandra Hailey from Grafton - 103 miles
Patricia Schmidt Henrico - 165 miles
Thylea Chrisholm from Chesterfield - 171 miles
Kimberly Britts from Charlottesville - 240 miles
Samantha Clarke from Orange - 245 miles
Rachel Good for Elkton - 271 miles
Bethany Decker from Ashburn - 291 miles
Kelly Dove from Harrisonburg - 301 miles
Gina Hall from Radford - 394 miles
Barbara Hunt from Marion - 421 miles

SOUTH CAROLINA
Brittanee Drexel from Myrtle Beach - 318 miles
Deavin Burchell from Florence - 326 miles
Sherri Puzjak from Orangeburg - 415 miles
Tina Crouch from Gaffton - 416 miles
Heather Sellars from Spartanburg - 439 miles
Viridiana Maldonado - North Charleston - 453 miles
Brook Henson from Travelers Rest - 473 miles
Billie Jo Beam-Hughes from Williamston - 481 miles
Tebbie Garrett from Pickens - 486 miles
Kristina Porco - 495 miles
Wow, great work! I'll have to sit down this afternoon and look into these and see what we can come up with.
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Old 11-03-2013, 10:43 AM
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First I've heard about this too. I wonder why it took so long for it to show up in NamUs. While searching for any additional information, I came across this interesting article on the unidentified individuals found in North Carolina.

While a little off topic, I thought it was worth sharing:
http://www.wral.com/-they-re-like-pu...dead/12916155/

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North Carolina has 115 puzzles waiting to be solved 115 people found dead in this state since 1975 whose identities are still unknown.
It looks like they are using NamUs as the data source for the article, so the woman found on March 22, 2013 is not on the map or in the searchable database, since she was not entered into NamUS until October 29.
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Old 11-03-2013, 11:10 AM
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Here are two links on body decomposition at sea:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/bl...nta-2009-06-10

http://sciencefocus.com/qa/how-long-...-decompose-sea
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Old 11-03-2013, 11:23 AM
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"Location Found
GPS coordinates
Address 1 1921 N. Virginia Dare Trail
Address 2
City Kill Devil Hills
State North Carolina
Zip code
County Dare
Circumstances
Found on the beach."

Last year, the Virginia Dare Trail was closed due to flooding and debris
from Hurricane Sandy.
I wonder if it is possible this UID could be from that time period, and
a casualty from Hurricane Sandy?

http://bigstory.ap.org/photo/superstorm-sandy-938

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Old 11-03-2013, 11:42 AM
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https://identifyus.org/en/cases/11721

"Location Found
GPS coordinates
Address 1 1921 N. Virginia Dare Trail
Address 2
City Kill Devil Hills
State North Carolina
Zip code
County Dare
Circumstances
Found on the beach."

Last year, the Virginia Dare Trail was closed due to flooding and debris
from Hurricane Sandy.
I wonder if it is possible this UID could be from that time period, and
a casualty from Hurricane Sandy?

http://bigstory.ap.org/photo/superstorm-sandy-938

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Hurricane Sandy hit Oct 22-31, 2012. Is it possible that somebody from that washed up 5 months later?
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Old 11-03-2013, 11:49 AM
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Hurricane Sandy hit Oct 22-31, 2012. Is it possible that somebody from that washed up 5 months later?
I don't know the answer to that question, but it is also possible this UID was buried under sand perhaps?
Just throwing ideas out there.....
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Old 11-03-2013, 11:59 AM
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I don't know the answer to that question, but it is also possible this UID was buried under sand perhaps?
Just throwing ideas out there.....
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Wonder what kind of decomp would allow the UID to still be identified as a white female 16-21 years old?

I've read articles on Mr. Gibbs that handles these cases for North Carolina and he has a really good reputation as someone who genuinely cares and sincerely tries to take his time to work on these cases. Maybe he took his time to get this much info about this UID and that's what took so long to get it into Namus.
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Wonder what kind of decomp would allow the UID to still be identified as a white female 16-21 years old?

I've read articles on Mr. Gibbs that handles these cases for North Carolina and he has a really good reputation as someone who genuinely cares and sincerely tries to take his time to work on these cases. Maybe he took his time to get this much info about this UID and that's what took so long to get it into Namus.
As far as the age, the dentals were entered and charting available, as per NamUs, so maybe it's possible the age could be determined through the dentals?
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As far as the age, the dentals were entered and charting available, as per NamUs, so maybe it's possible the age could be determined through the dentals?
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I remember that the Outer Banks were pounded badly by storms in March. Since skeletons do not float, I would venture a guess that this person was buried on the beach and uncovered by the heavy waves. I know exactly where this is, just North of the Wright Brothers Historical Site and across the highway from a strip mall, right on the beach. It's a busy area and thousasnds of people must have walked right over her. Once uncovered remains would be found right away.

Age can be estimated from skull sutures and tooth wear.

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Its not a full.skeleton. No legs arms or torso. Pretty much probably skull and some vertebrae. I don't really see the burial on the beach scenario or the washed up in Sandy one unless I am misunderstanding. This area of the beach is just too busy.

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Its not a full.skeleton. No legs arms or torso. Pretty much probably skull and some vertebrae. I don't really see the burial on the beach scenario or the washed up in March one unless I am misunderstanding. This area of the beach is just too busy.
When I mentioned buried in the sand, I didn't mean a burial on the beach, but rather if it was during the hurricane perhaps the sand covered parts of this UID that were found.
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Sorry treelights I should have been clearer I was referencing another post that talked about burial on the beach.
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Sorry treelights I should have been clearer I was referencing another post that talked about burial on the beach.
Hiya Irish,
Probably my post, and when I reread it, it sounds like I am saying she was deliberately buried there. What I meant was that she could have been deposited there by a storm, buried by it, and much later uncovered. This happens all the time with old boats, objects and debris of all kinds. She also could have been buried there by someone, we just don't know. It would definitely be a strange choice for a place to dispose of a body. They have not released a speculative mode of death, and it could be any of the five at this point. But knowing that area pretty well and having visited many times over the last 30 years or more, a body could not have been laying on the surface long without someone seeing it. It is literally between houses and the Atlantic Ocean.
They have dentals and hopefully they can recover DNA from molars, so there is a good shot at IDing her if the time is put in to this case.
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I think we're in agreement then Magnum. Like you this is a favorite destination of mine. We used to stay on Windsong so really close to this area but this year we were down by MP 18 and that was nice too. You think you can make some headway with the locals? Maybe they have more they can share than what Namus lists
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I think we're in agreement then Magnum. Like you this is a favorite destination of mine. We used to stay on Windsong so really close to this area but this year we were down by MP 18 and that was nice too. You think you can make some headway with the locals? Maybe they have more they can share than what Namus lists
Started going there in 1977, stayed there on my honeymoon in 83, been there lots of other times. Unfortunately I live near Pittsburgh and a stranger with a Yankee accent, even a polite one like myself, is probably not going to go in and get meaningful info. I knew another pilot from that area who invited me down to First Flight Airport (very close, right behind Wright Brothers site) but he is no longer around there.

Were there any news stories about the discovery?

I take it that they probably determined quickly from teeth that these were not Native American remains, as in those cases remains are handed over to tribal groups for reburial according to cultural customs, and would not make it into NamUS. That does happen, and there were inhabitants of the Outer Banks going far back before the Europeans.

It would be interesting if they were found to be remains of an early settler. Maybe a member of the lost colony has been found? Ya never know.......
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No stories at all that I recall although I didn't spend much time watching the news
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I am an OBX fan as well. I have a close friend who lives on Roanoke Island. Her dad, recently retired, was head of the EMT department in Kill Devil Hills. I'll see if I can get any info from them.
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I sent a message to my friend, and she said they had heard nothing about it. She speculates that it washed up on shore.
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