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Old 02-19-2014, 07:44 PM
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Prosecutor handed out "probable cause" statement at news conference. Is that public accessible?
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You don't say how old you were when you walked to the store, but if you were older than about 7, that's really not dangerous. Of course, kids younger than that don't have enough navigation skills and ability to cross intersections safely so obviously they shouldn't be walking a few blocks to a convenience store.

Being hit by a car would be the greatest danger you could expect to reasonably face, or having an older kid steal your money.

What happened to this dear girl is SO VERY RARE. I hate it that we don't allow our children reasonable freedom. That child walking a few blocks isn't statistically dangerous. We've jus become so very focused on the minute number of times some evil monster shows up.
Agreed. Heck, we go on a website that focuses on true crime, and how often do we hear about a case like this, where a stranger abducts and murders a child? Not even once a month. What was the last similar case to this?

How many children do you (general) know personally who were abducted and murdered? Or are one degree of separation from? For most people, the answer to those questions is NONE.

I read a comment on some website that says parents are terrified of their children being abducted, but as soon as they turn 18, it's "Have fun on Spring Break in Panama City Beach!"
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Just heard about this case in the news, and am reading prior pages, all I can say is lions and tigers in the zoos are hungry. I know the ones in Denmark like giraffe, maybe others like humans. Solves two problems.

When will the killings stop? When will innocent children be able to live as innocent children?? Why can't kids be free to play without fear of abductions, rape, and murders? Wonder how many people will see things that 'weren't right' but not enough to raise the red flags all the way? Why must innocent children be sacrificed to please some deranged want? When will we have test to determine this monsters before they commit their first crime? Why are some without a conscious? Without a heart?

People years ago thought I was nuts because I was outside whenever my kids were. Though I wasn't raised that way, and was often gone from breakfast until supper time. Sometimes at a friend's house for lunch, and sometimes we packed a lunch and trekked in the woods, playing in the creeks, etc. Gone are the carefree days. Gone are the days of knowing your neighbors and family, and everyone looking out for the kids safety.
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I think things happened "back then", too. I just think we were lucky.
I agree. I grew up in the 60's and was allowed to go all over the place too. I did get the talk about perverts before I started walking to school. We would walk a mile to school when I was six and my sister was eight. My sister was sent on store errands alone when she was six.

But in about 1968 or so, a man tried to grab a classmate off her porch in my neighborhood. It didn't make the news. She told me about it later. It did happen, but people's awareness wasn't raised about it or something.
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Old 02-19-2014, 07:50 PM
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A lesson that keeps coming to mind, and I taught my kids this, is to back off and run the very moment you suspect something is amiss. Kids who do manage to escape being kidnapped after being grabbed admit they knew something was creepy about the abductor, and felt the urge to run, but didn't want to be rude or look silly. The MOMENT you feel concern, RUN and scream, and don't be afraid of being considered disrespectful to adults or acting like a ninny.
Why? If this is "so very rare" as stated. Why would kids need these instructions?

My sons are grown men, now. This stranger danger, password, run scream has been going on since they were little. Not just strangers pulling up in cars. The Adam Walsh abduction/murder taught us an entire new fear. Telling people to chill and not be vigilant because of the "rarity" of these incidents....well...to each his own. Whatever.
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I was going by this article posted a couple of pages ago, which shows he had convictions that should have shown up, plus his own statements that he worried about his drinking. Yes, he had no convictions recently, but this would have kept him away from children in our area. I realize that may not be the case elsewhere.
A 1990 conviction for simple possession is no enough to disqualify someone from working in a school environment. The background check would ONLY reveal the stolen turkey and simple possession charges, both from over a decade ago.
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Oh no...because of time difference when I went to bed last night, she hadn't been found........poor sweetheart....RIP darling...

I am absolutely furious!!!!! Your legal system in the US is more stricter than ours here in Australia...thank goodness, but not much so.......and your punishments in jails harsher...

You have the RSO, which civil libertarians here have blocked.

Our legal system is a joke and there is a hell of an uproar here about its leniency and its because in the past civil libertarian groups have been able to block harsher penalties and longer sentences being brought in.

Hence we have had the likes of Jill Meagher, killed after her killer was on parole....he had been charged up to 50 times before and was a free man!!!! and that is only one case, there are numerous examples of this shite going on here.... I live in a city which has a major juvenile crime problem, mainly stolen cars and break and enters, some of them are up to their 100th crime, but are not locked up because the bleeding hearts have said they "have had a hard life, and it doesn't help locking them up".....

It is slowly starting to change now as the public gets more and more outraged and a lot of people think we should follow a couple of the systems in some of your states...I agree.

HOWEVER I don't think any western country is strict enough on paedolphiles. They need to be put away for good away from society...........they can not be rehabilitated no matter what the do gooders say, they may stop.....but the craving is always there. If not put away, then castrated.

The cycles need to be broken. They are causing so much heartache , grief and tragedy in this world........

Back again to my city.....population 200 000. Yesterday in our paper, the main headline was about a paedophile being released back into the community after abusing 3 boys.....He was let out originally and within 12 days had abused again......he was found with thousands of photos, most of kids of his friends...............he got a 12 year sentence.............served 5!!!! Absolutely freaking pathetic...........thanks bleeding hearts, he is now in the suburb I live in with my two sons........

There needs to be public uproar all over the world!!!!!!!!!!
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I was going down the road, looking for any car that matched the description that the police gave and I happened to find this one. It's gold and its a ford, but I'm not sure of the model.

It's just down the street from where she was thought to be kidnapped.
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Old 02-19-2014, 07:53 PM
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A lesson that keeps coming to mind, and I taught my kids this, is to back off and run the very moment you suspect something is amiss. Kids who do manage to escape being kidnapped after being grabbed admit they knew something was creepy about the abductor, and felt the urge to run, but didn't want to be rude or look silly. The MOMENT you feel concern, RUN and scream, and don't be afraid of being considered disrespectful to adults or acting like a ninny.
Try being the kid who does that when the situation isn't obvious to an adult. You'll wind up doing a week of after school detention.
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Old 02-19-2014, 07:53 PM
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Agreed. Heck, we go on a website that focuses on true crime, and how often do we hear about a case like this, where a stranger abducts and murders a child? Not even once a month. What was the last similar case to this?

How many children do you (general) know personally who were abducted and murdered? Or are one degree of separation from? For most people, the answer to those questions is NONE.

I read a comment on some website that says parents are terrified of their children being abducted, but as soon as they turn 18, it's "Have fun on Spring Break in Panama City Beach!"
I keep thinking of cherish periwinkle.

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I hope I am wrong in thinking more charges will be added after the autopsy is done. If anyone finds a link to make donations to Hailey's memorial fund online could you post them please. Her family shouldn't have to worry about paying for a funeral.
I saw this on KY3's FB page in the comments:

Empire Bank 4221 S Campbell Springfield mo. 65804
Make your checks and donations to The Hailey Owens Memorial

You can probably call the bank itself and verify that it's the official fund.
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I agree. I grew up in the 60's and was allowed to go all over the place too. I did get the talk about perverts before I started walking to school. We would walk a mile to school when I was six and my sister was eight. My sister was sent on store errands alone when she was six.

But in about 1968 or so, a man tried to grab a classmate off her porch in my neighborhood. It didn't make the news. She told me about it later. It did happen, but people's awareness wasn't raised about it or something.
I grew up in the 70's and early 80's, and same thing, I was all over the place. Walked to the skating rink, the beach, rode our bikes everywhere. We did have a kidnapping right outside my high school in my junior year, two female students, one of whom was a foreign exchange student, were taken by gun-point. We were all given the "be careful" talk. I don't know, these creeps were around then, too, but it seems much more prevalent today. Very scary and sad.
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A state senator from Springfield, MO was trying to pass a bill last year that would have made child kidnapping a lesser crime.


Legislation would have made child kidnapping a lesser crime until changed earlier this month


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Currently, child kidnapping is a class A felony. One change initially proposed in the bill would have made the crime a class B felony when children older than 2 years old are taken.

Only kidnapping children under 2 years of age would have remained a class A felony under the proposal.

Emily Van Schenkhof, deputy director at Missouri Kids First, an organization that advocates against child abuse, said she opposed the change and spoke with Sen. Bob Dixon, R-Springfield, about it.
How in the world does a legislator justify reducing the crime of kidnapping of a child a lesser offense? Keep in mind, this legislative change applied to felony charges for non-familial kidnapping. Were these legislators concerned that the prisons were becoming overcrowded with child kidnappers?

It's insane. I hope voters replace this guy and any other legislator who supported such a change.
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I agree that these things have always happened, I was born in 1976 and ran wild and free with the streetlights/darkness my curfew, but I did have SEVERAL really odd things that happened, a "homeless looking man" walking past our house who was talking loudly about everything stated that "it should be illegal for little girls to sit on porchs and read books" (which is what I was doing), another time a friend and I were stopped on a country road by a creepy man and asked if we wanted to look at some puppies (we ran, crawled through a barbed wire fence and kept running), a man followed me in a walmart and creeped me out to the point that I found my mother and aunt and told them then we searched the whole store so I could show them the man and he was gone, I was pulled over as a teenager by a man in an unmarked truck just as I pulled into my job, I was rather rude to him considering I believed he was LEO, but I did provide him with my license and registration/ins, (scary stuff with my address) my manager insisted on calling the police bc there had been a recent abduction and it turned out that the man WAS NOT an officer at all, I then had police escort during almost every one of my shifts for several months... I don't know if I was somewhat of a dramatic kid, or if I was indeed a creeper magnet with numerous incidents like this...

ETA: we moved around a lot when I was a kid, and these incidents happened in several different states/locations...
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I lived in homestead when Jimmy Ryce was taken and was a year younger. My brother played baseball with him, my sister went to school with him, we had friends that were neighbors with him. It is something that hits so close, even when you aren't directly connected. It hits the whole community and stays with you forever.
And to add to the disgust, it took almost 18.5 years for his murderer to be executed. Why, on why? The quicker the better to help alleviate the pain caused.
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I agree that these things have always happened, I was born in 1976 and ran wild and free with the streetlights/darkness my curfew, but I did have SEVERAL really odd things that happened, a "homeless looking man" walking past our house who was talking loudly about everything stated that "it should be illegal for little girls to sit on porchs and read books" (which is what I was doing), another time a friend and I were stopped on a country road by a creepy man and asked if we wanted to look at some puppies (we ran, crawled through a barbed wire fence and kept running), a man followed me in a walmart and creeped me out to the point that I found my mother and aunt and told them then we searched the whole store so I could show them the man and he was gone, I was pulled over as a teenager by a man in an unmarked truck just as I pulled into my job, I was rather rude to him considering I believed he was LEO, but I did provide him with my license and registration/ins, (scary stuff with my address) my manager insisted on calling the police bc there had been a recent abduction and it turned out that the man WAS NOT an officer at all, I then had police escort during almost every one of my shifts for several months... I don't know if I was somewhat of a dramatic kid, or if I was indeed a creeper magnet with numerous incidents like this...
A man attempted to lure me to his truck when I was 7. When I was 11, a limo driver pulled over and asked for directions while myself, sisters, and cousin were outside. He offered to take my cousin for a ride and was incredibly creepy. These things did happen, but there was no internet and sharing with the world in seconds. I think there was an ignorance is bliss element. You can't worry about, what you don't know about.
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I agree.

I live around the corner from an elementary and middle school and along the walking route for many high school students. If I were to confront every person who stopped to talk to a child while in a vehicle, I would be confronting people all day, every day. Sometimes I notice situations that seem strange, but no one can honestly believe that everyone should confront every one of those situations. At some point you have to believe the best in people, until something tells you otherwise.
Exactly. And what about the people who stop to talk to cute kids in the mall? Are we to assume they are trying to lure them away from their parents? It's happened, kids have been grabbed when they were just a few feet from their parent and the parent wasn't paying attention. But I can't go through life suspecting every person of having evil on their mind. What if this guy had had his gun with him, and that neighbor had approached him BEFORE he grabbed Hailey? It might have ended up with an innocent witness being shot to death. I just read one of the reports that Hailey had been shot in the head at the base of her skull, so it's likely he was carrying that gun at the time he took her. To me, it's pointless to argue that these people didn't act quickly enough, or didn't try to stop him. If we were not there, we have no room to criticize.
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After reading that and how fast and prepared he was with the clean-up and disposal...I do not think this was his first. imo
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He had duct tape in his hand when he exited the truck.
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After reading that and how fast and prepared he was with the clean-up and disposal...I do not think this was his first. imo
three hours is a looooong time
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Charges in girl's death could bring death penalty; witnesses tried to keep her from being abducted

Authorities said Owens, 10, who was abducted yesterday, was found dead in the basement of Wood’s home, in plastic bags, smelling of bleach.

I hate to assume it but what other reason would he have for using bleach on her body.
BBM, I think this is what many of us were expecting. Found in plastic bags, I wonder how many.
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So what have the websleuths discovered thus far about this man?

I had a busy day at work and did not get to catch up much or comment on this one. Curious what you've turned up so far.
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BBM, I think this is what many of us were expecting. Found in plastic bags, I wonder how many.

I'm just gonna hope that in was double or triple bagged,,,


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