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View Poll Results: Ransom note relevant?
Not relevant at all. 5 27.78%
Somewhat relevant. 4 22.22%
Mostly relevant. 2 11.11%
Completely relevant. 7 38.89%
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Old 05-30-2005, 11:59 PM
Holdontoyourhat Holdontoyourhat is offline
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Ransom note relevant?

How relevant is the ransom note to the actual motive, or other aspect of this case?
  1. Not relevant at all. The ransom note has nothing to do with the motive or any other aspect of the crime. Its a fake and can be completely disregarded.
  2. Somewhat relevant. A few statements in the note relate in some way to the motive or other aspects of the crime.
  3. Mostly relevant. Most of the statements in the note relate to the actual motive and other aspects of the crime.
  4. Completely relevant. The ransom note tells it like it was, a kidnapping for ransom by a foreign faction.
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Old 05-31-2005, 12:12 AM
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Oh no. Please delete my vote!

I picked Completely Relevant because I assumed it meant that it was critical to the case, not for the reason you cited (which doesn't make sense, frankly).

The ransom note is the single biggest clue to this case... and it leads directly to Patsy Ramsey.
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Old 05-31-2005, 12:20 AM
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Oh no. Please delete my vote!

I picked Completely Relevant because I assumed it meant that it was critical to the case, not for the reason you cited (which doesn't make sense, frankly).

The ransom note is the single biggest clue to this case... and it leads directly to Patsy Ramsey.
I'd like to delete your vote but I don't know how.
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Old 05-31-2005, 12:22 AM
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I picked "Mostly Relevant", because I think the note is quite relevant in solving this crime. It says a lot. However, I do not think it fits the definition of "Completely Relevant", as you define it.

I think the poll choices may be a bit skewed, because I find the note relevant, but in the way you define it, maybe I should have answered "Not Relevant at all".
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Old 05-31-2005, 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by halycon
Oh no. Please delete my vote!

I picked Completely Relevant because I assumed it meant that it was critical to the case, not for the reason you cited (which doesn't make sense, frankly).

The ransom note is the single biggest clue to this case... and it leads directly to Patsy Ramsey.
halycon,

I deleted your vote so you can change it now if you'd like.
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Old 05-31-2005, 07:34 AM
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Oh no. Please delete my vote!

I picked Completely Relevant because I assumed it meant that it was critical to the case, not for the reason you cited (which doesn't make sense, frankly).

The ransom note is the single biggest clue to this case... and it leads directly to Patsy Ramsey.
This "Poll" is comparable to one where you vote "For the children", then find out you've supported a move to close the schools. The pollster here believes a real foreign faction came to Boulder town that fateful day, and "Completely Relevant" means you agree.

Last edited by Lacy Wood; 05-31-2005 at 07:54 AM. Reason: Omitted word
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Old 05-31-2005, 10:57 AM
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IMO this poll should be aborted and perhaps reworded without the term "relevant" in it. As it stands, the results will be meaningless, partly because too many voters will interpret it "Is the ransom note relevant to the crime?"

I think what is trying to be found out here is: Was the ransom note written by an intruder or was it written by a Ramsey family member? If written by an intruder, was the writer:

o representing a foreign faction?

0 a pedophile who had targeted JonBenet?

o .....?

o .....?

etc.
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Old 05-31-2005, 01:09 PM
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its relevant because patsy wrote the note...and she said that whoever wrote the note was the killer.
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Old 05-31-2005, 05:42 PM
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Hmmm

The note was written AFTER JonBenet was murdered, therefore it was NOT a kidnapping note, it was a CYA note.

Non of the options given for my voting on this poll fit my conclusions about the note.

The note was a diversionary effort to point a finger at someone who did not exist. There was no foreign faction either as an I/We or a group of FF's.

I did not vote.



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Old 05-31-2005, 06:36 PM
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Although I think the note did try to establish a "You don't know me,but I know you." if written by some one outside of the family.

The $118,000 (which was the amount of JR's bonus) and the use your good southern common sense(used by only his inner circle.) The rest was filler,to sound like a typical run of the mill ransom note.

So (again,if not written by a family member),I think the author was playing head games with JR. You don't know me John,but I am close enough to you,to know some of your "inner" information.

So I guess the rn would have some revelance ... I'm ready to vote!
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Old 05-31-2005, 10:37 PM
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ransom note???

Relevant to whom?

The Ramseys - no, because there was no kidnapping.

The Police - no, because there was no kidnapping.

Linguistic analysts - yep, because the author identifies herself through her use of language.

JonBenét - no, because it was already too late when it was written.

As a linguistic analyst, I don't know what to vote. Of course, the note is relevant to me, and I'm sure I could point out its relevance to a jury, but ... there was no intruder, no foreign faction, no group of individuals, no 2 gents, no ransom, and no S.B.T.C ... ~sigh~ so go figure. Is it relevant? Who knows?

So, like Camper ... I can't vote. But I will tell you - Patsy wrote the note.
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Old 05-31-2005, 11:41 PM
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Thank you for deleting my vote, Bee Bee. I don't want to vote for this "poll" at all.

But here's one that holdontoyourhat might like:

How relevant is the charge of child molestation to the Michael Jackson trial?

Not relevant at all. We can't be sure Michael Jackson exists, so the charge can be completely disregarded.

Somewhat relevant. Just because someone molests a few kids doesn't make him a child molester.

Mostly relevant. Most child molesters are not named Michael Jackson, so why should we think this one is?

Completely relevant. We can't be sure a foreign faction didn't molest this boy.
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Old 06-01-2005, 12:44 AM
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Although I think the note did try to establish a "You don't know me,but I know you." if written by some one outside of the family.

The $118,000 (which was the amount of JR's bonus) and the use your good southern common sense(used by only his inner circle.) The rest was filler,to sound like a typical run of the mill ransom note.

So (again,if not written by a family member),I think the author was playing head games with JR. You don't know me John,but I am close enough to you,to know some of your "inner" information.

So I guess the rn would have some revelance ... I'm ready to vote!
You're post is remarkable from my POV.

Your post:

You don't know me John,but I am close enough to you,to know some of your "inner" information.

If you directed that statement at me, I would be intimidated. Maybe that was the goal of the perp, to intimidate Mr. Ramsey, and thereby control Mr. Ramsey's reaction.
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Old 06-01-2005, 11:06 AM
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HOTYH ..

It certainly is a possiblility,and may be steering me to my (stll working on)theory.

Although I considered all theories that was posted on this forum ... my gut feeling kept bringing me back to this:

John Ramsey's company.
It grew fast,and along the way deals with important people were made.It happens in big companies every day.

But ... maybe along the way John got too confident and was not keeping his side of the bargain.

Pay back time. Did these important powerful people hurt JonBenet ... I don't think so. But money talks,and I think they hired some people who would,for the right price. And they are good at what they do.

What better way to "get" to John,then to hurt his little girl in a most vicious way.

Why the cover up? John is afraid. Could he blow these people in to the authorities ... sure. But John knows that there would be other people right behind them to pick up the slack,maybe even with more revenge.

Could it be that this has something to do with the remark said by Patsy: We never thought that THIS would happen.

Some times money IS the root to all evil.

This all of course is IMO.
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Old 06-01-2005, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Holdontoyourhat
You're post is remarkable from my POV.

Your post:

You don't know me John,but I am close enough to you,to know some of your "inner" information.

If you directed that statement at me, I would be intimidated. Maybe that was the goal of the perp, to intimidate Mr. Ramsey, and thereby control Mr. Ramsey's reaction.
Yeah, someone like Patsy.
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Old 06-01-2005, 08:35 PM
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"At this time, however, we"
"Doing so will only serve to jeopardize "
" of law enforcement agencies "
" respect to a case brought before it by the Boulder Police Department."
"who are in possession of compelling facts "
"whereby to maximize the likelihood of a successful conclusion "
"Governor Romer, with the support of the people of Boulder, must attend to these matters now."



I see some similarity here!
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Old 06-01-2005, 09:29 PM
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Sissi,

Whom and where are those quotes from,and I'm assuming your referring to the ransom note as for the similarities ... correct?
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Old 06-01-2005, 10:16 PM
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Are those Fleet quotes?
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Old 06-01-2005, 10:25 PM
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Capps and Tipper, yes they are quotes from the Whites' 1998 letter.
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