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Old 09-03-2005, 04:22 PM
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Since the second sentence makes no grammatical sense, I have to assume it's been altered. Perhaps by those dealing the race card royal flush?
Yes, it really pisses me off when people bring race into the equation here. We can't do anything about the demographics of New Orleans. When 70% of the residents are Black, most of the victims will be black. The hurricaine and water didn t care. Both killed black and white. I think a lot of the atrocities are being committed by gangs who happen to be black gangs. They were kept in check with the threat of LE in the past, but now are reveling in being able to kill, steal and rape.
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Old 09-03-2005, 04:24 PM
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That was an interesting find. I am wondering what the date of the second photo was. I hope everybody ate every thing they could loot or find however you want to put it. Those gangs in there have caused all the problems for everyone.
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Old 09-03-2005, 04:32 PM
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Look. I lived in Baton Rouge, and the blacks lived right down the street from me in shacks. So I've LIVED IT.
I thought I was trying to say I try very hard not to be prejudiced of a group. But I fully understand the culture differences.

I am a Southern Lady, but a rare old-tyme democrat. I am just trying to repeat what I'm hearing about looters and so forth. I don't mean to offend anyone; I'm calling it like it is. Like a reporter.

But as always happens to me, when I try to be honest, things get "snitty" and I get in tears and just don't want to post anymore. My blood pressure is high enough already. If y'all don't want reporting and what they're saying in the hosptials here, fine. I'll shut up.

Thank you, Ntegrity! (why in the world should we be fighting and picking on each other when we're just trying to figure out a horrible tragedy. Give me a break)
I thought your post was just fine. I totally understand what you were saying too. There ARE cultural differences. Jeeze Louise! In fact, every city, state and country in the world has it's "thing". Chicago pizza, NYC cheesecake, Englands fish and chips and Yorkshire pudding.

The people in NO have a unique blended culture. It is centuries in the making and not diluted over the years, as other cultures have done. Many, if not most of the black people in NO have a different culture than the black people living in Boston or NYC. The Cajun people are culturally different from the "old time" Southern ladies.

Every comment that mentions a difference between cultures or races is not a golden opportunity to throw down the race card.

Build a bridge and get over it already.
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Old 09-03-2005, 04:39 PM
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Since the second sentence makes no grammatical sense, I have to assume it's been altered. Perhaps by those dealing the race card royal flush?
I agree. The caption for the second picture has definitely been altered. Someone is trying to stir up trouble.
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Old 09-03-2005, 04:43 PM
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I agree. The caption for the second picture has definitely been altered. Someone is trying to stir up trouble.
It hasn't been altered!

Someone posted it here and must have sent to to MSNBC because the next day they did a story using the exact same media photos & captions.
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Old 09-03-2005, 04:49 PM
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Bush got $ for Iraq real quick, but not this human diaster.
You have your "facts" wrong. Maybe you should read this. The president ordered federal funding the next day. By September 1, he requested an additional $10.5 billion from Congress as an interim amount, with more to follow. Your entire post is the usual anti-Bush propaganda I hear from all the other socialists.
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Old 09-03-2005, 04:57 PM
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I loved the news story about the man who found a school bus and keys and took it, loaded about 70 people on and drove them to the super dome. He is my hero and I bet to those 70 people and their families. God helps those who help themselves and others who cannot help themselves and he will be blessed. I bet he already has some good person in Houston who wants to hire him. He has one thing that you cannot teach an employee and that is character.
I liked that also. He obviously has common sense and proactive thinking. I hope he gets a lot of opportunities to become all he can be.
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Old 09-03-2005, 05:20 PM
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I have found the information on families of New Orleans extremely interesting. I plan on doing some reading on their past.
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Old 09-03-2005, 05:21 PM
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It hasn't been altered!

Someone posted it here and must have sent to to MSNBC because the next day they did a story using the exact same media photos & captions.
I don't really care if MSNBC runs a 12 hour program on it.
The second caption makes no grammatical sense. The word "finding" doesn't fit.

As Johnny C says, "If it doesn't fit, you must aquit!"

Unless someone hands me the original copy, I will continue to say and say again, "it's been altered".
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Old 09-03-2005, 05:23 PM
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I don't really care if MSNBC runs a 12 hour program on it.
The second caption makes no grammatical sense. The word "finding" doesn't fit.

As Johnny C says, "If it doesn't fit, you must aquit!"

Unless someone hands me the original copy, I will continue to say and say again, "it's been altered".
I found the post with complete with links either here or at CTV. It has it's own thread and you can click the links and see for yourself
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Old 09-03-2005, 05:27 PM
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I don't really care if MSNBC runs a 12 hour program on it.
The second caption makes no grammatical sense. The word "finding" doesn't fit.

As Johnny C says, "If it doesn't fit, you must aquit!"

Unless someone hands me the original copy, I will continue to say and say again, "it's been altered".

I blew it up in Paint shop pro. The pixels around the word "finding" are out of line with the rest of the text. It was altered at some point. Plus, as you said, the grammer is so obviously wrong.
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Old 09-03-2005, 05:31 PM
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Looking at if the response would be different if the people were white, or weathy or both - I'm wondering if the situation would be the same anywhere other than NO - not blaming this on race, perhaps somewhat income related (but poverty could be related to the lack of control of gangs - they can really hurt a community's economy), but mainly related to the gangs there; how many people there turn to this repulsive behavior.

I'm no expert, this is a nearly unprecedented disaster here, but here or elsewhere in the world have we had anything similar to this?
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“There is rapes going on here. Women cannot go to the bathroom without men. They are raping them and slitting their throats.”
? Added on to the non-survival-looting (which always happens, but seems to be worse than usual in this case), firing at relief workers, attacking hospitals, etc. I don't have any solid ideas about why this place is worse than others, but I can't think of when I've seen anything remotely like this, here in America, nor most anywhere else around the world (other than in ethnic cleansing wars, but that's not the same thing).
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Old 09-03-2005, 05:33 PM
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I blew it up in Paint shop pro. The pixels around the word "finding" are out of line with the rest of the text. It was altered at some point. Plus, as you said, the grammer is so obviously wrong.
Very good! A true websleuther in action!
I have no clue how to go about running paintshop, so I really like seeing it in action.
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Old 09-03-2005, 07:32 PM
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More on the situation at the Superdome: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9166349/

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"Last night was the worst night of my life," Seaton added. "This man up here, well, he was trying to choke this little boy. They whipped him down. Then they threw him over the railing."

Several others in the crowd — shoulder-to-shoulder, desperate-looking — nodded in assent. Sure enough, at the bottom of the railing lay a prostrate figure sprawled on the concrete, twisted and motionless, the side of his face grown like cantaloupe. It was not clear if it was the same person Seaton was referring to or another victim, in some way, of Hurricane Katrina.
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"I don't believe they would have put blacks and whites together up on this roof," Seaton said. "Might have started a revolution." He leaned across the rope as he offered that sociological insight.
It's so out of control up there - why is a random guy trying to choke a little kid? Why is it so racial that whites and blacks cannot be mixed in refugee centers?

I've never been to New Orleans - is it really that bad there? Is this really what some of the people are like?
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Old 09-03-2005, 07:42 PM
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More on the situation at the Superdome: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9166349/

It's so out of control up there - why is a random guy trying to choke a little kid? Why is it so racial that whites and blacks cannot be mixed in refugee centers?

I've never been to New Orleans - is it really that bad there? Is this really what some of the people are like?
Isn't that yesterdays news? I thought they had it cleared out by now.
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Old 09-03-2005, 07:49 PM
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What difference does it make what day it happened? What kind of people act like this?
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Old 09-03-2005, 08:04 PM
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What difference does it make what day it happened? What kind of people act like this?
You may have to direct that question to a phychiatrist who understands what makes human being tick.

I have really enjoyed some of your posts.
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Old 09-03-2005, 08:09 PM
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You may have to direct that question to a phychiatrist who understands what makes human being tick.

I have really enjoyed some of your posts.
Thanks.

What seems odd to me is just that there have been comparable disasters in the rest of the world, and I've never seen anything like this. So, it has to be something about the people - is it the presence of those 3 strong gangs (and why haven't the cops taken care of that long ago)? Is it something about the culture there that has people thinking that only when the police are watching do ethics apply? I just want to know what is wrong with all those people who are doing these things?
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Old 09-03-2005, 08:13 PM
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Thanks.

What seems odd to me is just that there have been comparable disasters in the rest of the world, and I've never seen anything like this. So, it has to be something about the people - is it the presence of those 3 strong gangs (and why haven't the cops taken care of that long ago)? Is it something about the culture there that has people thinking that only when the police are watching do ethics apply? I just want to know what is wrong with all those people who are doing these things?
Gangs, criminal element, every large city has them. We just had this opened up in our faces. I don't think it has anything to do with area at all.
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Old 09-03-2005, 08:14 PM
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- is it the presence of those 3 strong gangs (and why haven't the cops taken care of that long ago)?
I watched a documentary once that said the N.O. police department was one of the most, if not THE most, corrupt police department in the U.S. and about how they've tried to correct that situation in recent years.
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Old 09-03-2005, 08:17 PM
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Gangs, criminal element, every large city has them. We just had this opened up in our faces. I don't think it has anything to do with area at all.
I'm just not convinced. We've had plenty of other large disasters in big cities with gangs and criminals. The police and rescue have often taken a few days to get to a point where things are fairly under control. But nothing like this. The big earthquakes in San Fran and LA, hurricanes in Florida, etc.; the Turkish earthquake was as big or bigger than this, and more overwhelming, since there was no warning and they aren't as organized. The Tsunami - I mean, the rebels that do horrible things in attacking the government and trying to take over the country had better control of themselves than in this case.
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Old 09-03-2005, 08:18 PM
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I watched a documentary once that said the N.O. police department was one of the most, if not THE most, corrupt police department in the U.S. and about how they've tried to correct that situation in recent years.
If they let these 3 gangs grow to this size, they're sure the most incompetent police.

I keep thinking that in a lot of ways, this may be a positive thing, for the survivors. It just keeps sounding like a very sick city.
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Old 09-03-2005, 08:24 PM
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If they let these 3 gangs grow to this size, they're sure the most incompetent police.

I keep thinking that in a lot of ways, this may be a positive thing, for the survivors. It just keeps sounding like a very sick city.
They have gangs in every large city...the same would have happened if this had been in LA. It was a different type of city. Lots of wonderful food, music, history. Unfortunately a lot of poverty, crime, dangerous gangs. The NO police are some of the lowest paid in the nation. They start at $25,508k a year. Only Detriot has a higher poverty rate than NO. When you have poverty you have crime....fact of life. As far as it being a sick city, I got lost in the Atlanta project area one time and was scared to death. I told one of my black friends and she said I would have been scared too. So it isn't about being white and being in a dangerous area. Black people are fearful of these areas too. It is just dangerous to be in high crime areas for anyone.
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Old 09-03-2005, 08:26 PM
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I'm just not convinced. We've had plenty of other large disasters in big cities with gangs and criminals. The police and rescue have often taken a few days to get to a point where things are fairly under control. But nothing like this. The big earthquakes in San Fran and LA, hurricanes in Florida, etc.; the Turkish earthquake was as big or bigger than this, and more overwhelming, since there was no warning and they aren't as organized. The Tsunami - I mean, the rebels that do horrible things in attacking the government and trying to take over the country had better control of themselves than in this case.
I live in a city that got hit by Frances and Jeanne, we do not have a population crowded into a small area like New Orleans. Something like that could not happen here, south in a larger city perhaps like Miami with their large population. I found the other posters comment about the LE in New Orleans interesting. I imagine as time goes on more information will surface. In the meantime we can only guess. To try to analyze this without facts to rely on is difficult.
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Old 09-03-2005, 08:28 PM
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If they let these 3 gangs grow to this size, they're sure the most incompetent police.

I keep thinking that in a lot of ways, this may be a positive thing, for the survivors. It just keeps sounding like a very sick city.
Until the gang memebers put down their guns to hop on a bus headed for.............?
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