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tybee204 · #1 09-14-2005, 12:05 AM

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mysteriew · #2 09-21-2005, 07:26 PM

Right after Dennis Rader was arrested many people noticed Catch BTK website creator Tom Voight was nowhere to be found. That's because he was serving a jail sentence for stalking.

According to a state offender website, Voight was in the Multinomah County Jail in Portland, Oregon for stalking a woman. A clerk with the Multinomah County Courthouse says Voight was convicted for multiple violations of a protection from stalking order. On February 11, he was sentenced to six months in jail and five years probation. He was released on May 23rd.
http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/1735321.html

indigomood · #3 09-21-2005, 08:09 PM

http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/1728926.html

The assessed value of the house was $85,900. The Rader’s listed it at $72,500.

No one seemed willing to pay more than $35,000 for the serial killer’s former home.

Finally the property sold. A man bought it over the phone for $40,000.

The buyer is a known real estate investor who enjoys buying and selling homes. No word yet on what he’ll do with it.

mysteriew · #4 09-24-2005, 08:08 AM

Lawmakers in Washington, D.C., said Thursday that they will try to close a loophole in a law that would allow convicted BTK serial killer Dennis Rader to be buried in a national military cemetery.

At a hearing of the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee, Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, said he would introduce legislation to ensure that people such as Rader, an honorably discharged Air Force veteran, wouldn't be buried alongside military heroes.
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/12719343.htm

mysteriew · #5 09-25-2005, 07:34 PM

But she wasn't prepared for the amount of time she'd be required to spend with a man who viewed people as objects - with no more value than a piece of paper or a discarded penny.

"He needed to talk, so I'm the one he talked to," McKinnon said.

For five to six hours every day, McKinnon was a handler, counselor, confidante and companion. It was her job to keep Rader occupied, to listen to his concerns for his family and to keep him from receiving the media attention he so desperately craved.

"I spent the most time with him, by far," McKinnon said. "For the first couple of months, I spent nearly every day with him."

McKinnon said her time with Rader would've been easier if he had been the sort of hideously disfigured monster that matched the piles of evidence she read at the office.

Instead, she sat just inches away and talked daily with a Boy Scout leader, a church president, a family man and a community-minded citizen who repeatedly told investigators that when he wasn't murdering people, he was really a likable person.

"He wasn't what I expected," McKinnon recalled. "The person I met was human, not the image that was on the media. He was courteous, polite, considerate and easy to deal with."

But McKinnon had difficulty reconciling the two sides of Rader that she was forced to mold into one person.

"Mentally, it was challenging to have those two things co-exist," McKinnon said. "It would've been easier emotionally to process the things he had done if he wasn't the human being I saw."

http://www.hutchnews.com/news/local/...non092505.html

concernedperson · #6 09-25-2005, 07:49 PM

I won't quote the whole post but I understand it. Either you feel you have a duty to another human being or you are sucked into it because you are family is the same difference. The stride is to stay away from these inhumans because everytime they have a way to figure you in to their own resolve.Very dangerous breed and not to be handled for the least reticent.

mysteriew · #7 09-28-2005, 02:51 PM

If you remember during Rader's trial, Joseph Otero- Charlie Otero's son was in a car accident which resulted in a head injury and coma. I contacted Dave Grant to inquire about an update on his condition. Here is the email reply I got:
here's a story we aired on September 19

THE SON OF TWO OF DENNIS RADERS VICTIMS GETS SOME GOOD NEWS TODAY.
CHARLIE OTEROS SON WAS IN A SERIOUS CAR ACCIDENT IN WISCONSIN AS CHARLIE OTERO WAS ATTENDING RADERS SENTENCING HEARING. OVER THE WEEKEND, 16 YEAR OLD, JOSEPH OTERO WOKE UP FROM BEING IN A COMA. OTERO, WHOS SON IS NAMED AFTER HIS MURDERED FATHER , HAD NEVER MET HIS SON BEFORE THE ACCIDENT.

mysteriew · #8 10-01-2005, 08:43 PM

The husband and two children of BTK murder victim Vicki Wegerle speak for the first time on national television about how that event changed their lives over the past 21 years.

Bill Wegerle and his now-grown children, Stephanie and Brandon, tell their story on CBS' "48 Hours Mystery" at 9 p.m. Saturday on KWCH, Channel 12.

For years after the 1986 murder of his wife, Wegerle continued to be a suspect, he told correspondent Erin Moriarty.
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/new...k/12782557.htm

concernedperson · #9 10-01-2005, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mysteriew

The husband and two children of BTK murder victim Vicki Wegerle speak for the first time on national television about how that event changed their lives over the past 21 years.

Bill Wegerle and his now-grown children, Stephanie and Brandon, tell their story on CBS' "48 Hours Mystery" at 9 p.m. Saturday on KWCH, Channel 12.

For years after the 1986 murder of his wife, Wegerle continued to be a suspect, he told correspondent Erin Moriarty.
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/new...k/12782557.htm

I hope now he has peace and resolve to go on with his life. These people have been tortured enough.

SieSie · #10 10-01-2005, 10:40 PM

Watching 48 Hours Mystery now - apparently the church he took Marine Hedge to WAS the same church he went to. I thought that it was a different church, but it wasn't - it was HIS OWN CHURCH!!!

Glad to hear that Charlie's son woke up out of the coma and that the two of them finally get to meet (I also didn't know he never met his 16 year old son!).

mysteriew · #11 10-03-2005, 12:00 AM

If you watch "The Hunt for the BTK Killer" on television next Sunday night, you'll hear an actor pronounce "HOME-eh-cide" just as the real killer did during a phone call in 1977.

You'll glimpse the actor flexing a squeeze ball with "Life is good" printed on the side, which the killer says he really did.

But judging from an advance copy of the CBS movie, it also mixes in a significant amount of fiction, which is acknowledged in a disclaimer.

After viewing the tape, Wichita police Lt. Ken Landwehr, who led the real BTK Task Force, said he noticed some inaccuracies. Still, Landwehr said, "it did not appear to be outlandish."

"I didn't think it was sensational. I was anticipating a lot more of that," he said. Overall, he said, he was "pleasantly surprised."

Although millions of people could watch the movie, Rader won't be able to, said Kansas Department of Corrections spokeswoman Frances Breyne.

Rader, being held in a one-man cell at El Dorado Correctional Facility since his sentencing in August on 10 counts of first-degree murder, has yet to receive television privileges. It takes time and good behavior before an inmate can have access to TV.
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/new...k/12794051.htm

mysteriew · #12 10-07-2005, 12:13 AM

Nearly 150 homicide investigators from across the Midwest have gathered in Wichita this week to discuss an unusual aspect of police investigations: serial killers.

Wichita police homicide Detective Dana Gouge, who organized this year's conference, said presentations are being made about such notorious criminals as:

• The I-70 killer, who in 1992 murdered six people in businesses along I-70 and I-35. Two of his victims were women who worked at an east Wichita bridal shop.

• The Green River killer, eventually identified as Gary Ridgway, who killed 48 people in the Seattle area before he was arrested in 2001.

• And of course, the BTK strangler, eventually identified as Park City compliance officer Dennis Rader, who murdered 10 people in the Wichita area before his arrest earlier this year.

The conference, which runs through Friday at the Old Town Hotel conference center, is sponsored by the Mid-States Homicide Investigators Association. The organization was created in 2001 by members of the Wichita Police Department homicide section.
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/new...k/12829832.htm

Producers of a made-for-TV movie about the BTK killer were preparing a story about a community terrorized and investigators frustrated by a mystery man -- until Dennis Rader was caught.

It forced them to rewrite on the fly and rush to make deadlines. The final scene was shot less than a month ago and the movie was still being edited this week -- even though "The Hunt for the BTK Killer" is scheduled to air 9 p.m. EDT Sunday on CBS.

http://www.courttv.com/news/2005/1005/btk_ap.html

mysteriew · #13 10-08-2005, 05:55 PM

Randy Stone put the pieces together to solve BTK case

There was only one valid file on the purple computer disk: TestA.rtf The text file had a single sentence in it, telling investigators to read a 3x5 index card the serial killer BTK had sent with the disk in an envelope KSAS-TV received on Feb. 16.

Click.

With a simple maneuver, Detective Randy Stone of the Wichita Police Department's forensic computer crimes unit learned that the file had last been saved by a person named Dennis.

Click.

Stone then discovered that the disk had been used at Christ Lutheran Church and the Park City Library.

Click. Click.

A quick Google search of the church's Web site showed that the president of the congregation was... Dennis Rader.

http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/12850406.htm

concernedperson · #14 10-08-2005, 06:07 PM

"As it turns out, he just can't spell". I love it...love it...love it. His egotistical self is being laughed at in the public arena.Geeks are being praised and he sits in a cell for the rest of his natural life.

mysteriew · #15 10-09-2005, 01:32 PM

Prosecutors want to make sure BTK killer Dennis Rader cannot get items in prison he could use to draw or write anything to satisfy his sexual fantasies.

That and other conditions of his incarceration will be taken up at a hearing Wednesday at El Dorado Correctional Facility. The proceeding also will involve questions about restitution, defense fees and disposition of evidence.

Prosecutors have asked that Rader be barred from seeing or listening to news reports about his murders and prohibited from making audio or visual recordings other than for law enforcement purposes. They also want a judge to deny him writing implements — even markers or crayons — that he could use to transcribe his sexual fantasies.
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...l/12854954.htm

BTK on TV: 'A study of evil'
The original CBS movie, based on the book by Wichita lawyer Robert Beattie, airs at 8 p.m. today on KWCH, Channel 12.
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/new...k/12857221.htm

BTK'd

Like it or not, killer part of pop culture
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/new...l/12857204.htm

mysteriew · #16 10-10-2005, 05:17 PM

The 3 p.m. court hearing will be held at El Dorado Correctional Facility, where Rader is being evaluated to determine where he will serve 10 consecutive life sentences -- one for each of his 10 victims from 1974 to 1991.

Sedgwick County District Judge Greg Waller is expected to hear arguments from prosecutors and defense lawyers, then make a recommendation about the conditions of Rader's imprisonment.

The decision will lie with the Kansas Department of Corrections. Still, a judge's recommendations often carry weight.

The hearing also will deal with Rader's restitution, court costs and the disposition of evidence. But the question of what materials Rader can have access to is likely to dominate the discussion.

Wednesday's hearing at the high-security prison will not be open to the public and will have limited media access.
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/12861966.htm

spygirl · #17 10-12-2005, 01:05 PM

Hi mysteriew and concerned person! Did either of you (or anyone else) catch the movie on Sunday? I missed it, and was wondering if it was any good.

Thanks for continuing to post updates!

concernedperson · #18 10-12-2005, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by spygirl

Hi mysteriew and concerned person! Did either of you (or anyone else) catch the movie on Sunday? I missed it, and was wondering if it was any good.

Thanks for continuing to post updates!

I saw it and thought it was pretty good. No sensationalizing and the actor had Radar down to a science. I really had to shake my head a couple of times thinking it really was Radar. Portrayed some of his actions at home and church which showed how manipulative he was in that scenario (don't know if info is accurate as we haven't heard much about his personal life).

Next time it is shown try and watch it.....since you are interested in this case and know a lot about it. I really didn't find any inaccuracies.

mysteriew · #19 10-14-2005, 11:39 AM

A judge recommended Wednesday that BTK killer Dennis Rader should receive treatment as a sexual offender while he serves the rest of his life in prison for 10 murders.

In a hearing Wednesday at the El Dorado Correctional Facility, District Judge Gregory Waller also recommended restrictions that prosecutors had sought on what Rader can receive or do in prison. For example, Rader would not be able to receive any instruments that he could use to make anything pornographic to satisfy his sexual fantasies.

Rader also will be barred from seeing or listening to news reports about the murders and prohibited from making audio or visual recordings other than for law enforcement purposes.

Waller can only recommend the restrictions. They must be approved by the secretary of the Kansas Department of Corrections.
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...l/12887196.htm

Under a judge's recommendations Wednesday, Dennis Rader could not sit in prison and draw a woman in bondage or read an article about his 10 murders.

And if the judge has his way, Rader will be treated as a sex offender.

Rader is the serial killer who violently carried out his sexual fantasy about bondage. The "B" in "BTK," the name Rader gave himself, stood for "bind them."

The Kansas Department of Corrections wasn't saying Wednesday whether it will heed the findings of Sedgwick County District Judge Greg Waller. The department controls inmates.
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/new...l/12888805.htm

"We're ready to move," said Park City resident Delia Winegarner. "It's been a parade since the Rader issue came about."

Since the arrest of Dennis Rader, Independence street in Park City has at times been filled with rubbernecking gawkers curious about where the strangler lived. But these homes which have been here since the 1950's, could make way for new development.

"I'm ready to go," said Park City resident Sam Winegarner. "We've had enough entertainment in this area for now."

Developers have had their eyes on this neighborhood even before Rader's arrest. The neighborhood sits next to the busy 61st street north and I-135 intersection.

Developers want the land to put more businesses in. Some of the homeowners are fine with selling thier homes.
http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/1781781.html

mysteriew · #20 10-16-2005, 08:43 PM

For a writers' conference, the lead investigator shares a presentation that had been for officers.

As he stepped to the podium Saturday, Ken Landwehr grasped a bottle of Mountain Dew, a favorite beverage. Lots of caffeine. Keeps him going.

Landwehr, the Wichita police lieutenant who heads the homicide unit, had two hours of nonstop talking to do and dozens of crime-scene and investigative pictures to show. And it all was about BTK -- Dennis Rader -- the serial killer Landwehr helped catch in February.

For more than two hours Saturday, the 51-year-old silver-haired investigator talked quickly without notes. He had a 31-year mystery to get through and had memorized many of the details. As a cop who started investigating the serial killer in 1984, he knows every twist.

His audience, under dimmed lights in a Century II conference room: about 25 people, mostly middle-aged, mostly female, attending the Kansas Writers Association's Scene of the Crime Conference. They were seeing the BTK Power Point presentation prepared by police for selected audiences, mainly law enforcement officers.

But one woman could keep silent no longer. "I'm dying to ask you this question: His wife had no idea?"

"None," Landwehr responded, his eyes wide open, voice firm.

"His wife and his kids had no idea what his other life was," Landwehr went on.

The questions kept coming: Did Rader abuse his wife? No.

"His wife loved him." And his daughter --"she adored him," Landwehr said.

It didn't make sense. How could a man do such terrible things to people -- even children -- but love his family? He did care for his family, Landwehr said. It's part of the reason he decided to plead guilty.

As much as Rader would have enjoyed the attention of a trial, Landwehr said, "he didn't want to put his family through hell."
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/new...k/12914240.htm

mysteriew · #21 10-25-2005, 07:14 PM

The Kansas attorney general filed a lawsuit on Tuesday against two psychologists who helped defend Dennis Rader, also known as "BTK," alleging they illegally profited from videotaped interviews with the serial killer.

In a petition filed in Sedgwick County District Court in Wichita, Attorney General Phill Kline accused Robert Mendoza, and Tali Walters, co-owners of Cambridge Forensic Consultants, LLC, of giving videotaped conversations with Rader to NBC's "Dateline" television show. The tapes were made when they were part of Rader's state-paid defense team.

In the lawsuit, Kline alleges that the state Board of Indigent Defense Services paid Cambridge Forensic Consultants $57,314 to assist in Rader's defense before the 60-year-old former city worker decided to plead guilty.

Rader signed an agreement allowing Cambridge to benefit financially from its work with him, Kline said, but that arrangement violated Cambridge Forensic's agreement with the state.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1249336

concernedperson · #22 10-25-2005, 07:25 PM

Totally good news. Not only is he not allowed to profit but the wanna be's aren't given a good shot either. The ultimate respect for the victims.

mysteriew · #23 11-11-2005, 12:57 PM

Dennis Rader, who pleaded guilty earlier this year and was sentenced to life in prison for killing 10 people as serial killer BTK, is appealing his sentence.

Rader filed a standard one-page notice of appeal on Oct. 20.

One area that Rader might contest is District Judge Greg Waller's recommendations to the Department of Corrections that his access to reading and writing materials be restricted in prison.
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/13134405.htm

Jeana (DP) · #24 11-11-2005, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mysteriew

Dennis Rader, who pleaded guilty earlier this year and was sentenced to life in prison for killing 10 people as serial killer BTK, is appealing his sentence.

Rader filed a standard one-page notice of appeal on Oct. 20.

One area that Rader might contest is District Judge Greg Waller's recommendations to the Department of Corrections that his access to reading and writing materials be restricted in prison.
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/13134405.htm

GOOD LORD!!!!!! WHY DOESN'T THIS GUY JUST DIE ALREADY?

concernedperson · #25 11-11-2005, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeana (DP)

GOOD LORD!!!!!! WHY DOESN'T THIS GUY JUST DIE ALREADY?

That would be a lot of people's hope. He is an idiot of the first order. I still see his cross dressing photos in my mind from time to time and LOL! This helps with knowing the pain he has caused but I wish he had just stayed with that format and not accelerated to torture and murder. He is a nobody. His victims are memorialized.