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Old 12-29-2005, 08:55 AM
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A 16-year-old Yakima boy was jailed Wednesday night on suspicion of second-degree murder in the shooting death of a registered sex offender, Yakima police announced.

Capt. Jeff Schneider said detectives believe that the boy had rejected James Garrett's sexual advances shortly before the suspect shot him in the head Tuesday morning at Garrett's apartment in the 400 block of South 18th Avenue.

Schneider said Garrett, 53, was killed with his own single-shot rifle. The caliber was not released.

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Old 12-29-2005, 09:14 AM
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A 16-year-old Yakima boy was jailed Wednesday night on suspicion of second-degree murder in the shooting death of a registered sex offender, Yakima police announced.

Capt. Jeff Schneider said detectives believe that the boy had rejected James Garrett's sexual advances shortly before the suspect shot him in the head Tuesday morning at Garrett's apartment in the 400 block of South 18th Avenue.

Schneider said Garrett, 53, was killed with his own single-shot rifle. The caliber was not released.

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okay, i dont want to clap at this but i am glad that the teen was not violated!!
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:58 AM
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okay, i dont want to clap at this but i am glad that the teen was not violated!!

I understand. I was wondering how many others the teen has saved from being violated. We'll never know.

It's like, should the teen be punished? or given an award?
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Old 12-29-2005, 10:44 AM
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It sounds like the teen may have rejected this perv's advances. But that is a lot of anger, for something where he could have just said no. I wonder if he had been victimized in the past- either by this perv or someone else.
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Old 12-29-2005, 12:41 PM
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It sounds like the teen may have rejected this perv's advances. But that is a lot of anger, for something where he could have just said no. I wonder if he had been victimized in the past- either by this perv or someone else.
Well, he might have rejected his most RECENT advance. I suspect this guy had been molesting this kid for some time. Victims are often unwilling to admit to a pattern of long-term abuse, since the molester will claim others will see it as "consent". Also, child molesters are incredibly good at picking out kids that have been molested before. It's as if they radiate some kind of wounded/damaged aura only these pervs can see.
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Old 12-29-2005, 12:45 PM
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why arrest him? A good defense attorney will get this teen "off" in a heartbeat. He said No- pervert wouldn't leave him alone- he grabs gun and shoots to protect himself. Any attorney worth his degree can raise this argument. And, most jurors will be totally repulsed by Mr Child Molestor!!!!
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Old 12-29-2005, 12:50 PM
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why arrest him? A good defense attorney will get this teen "off" in a heartbeat. He said No- pervert wouldn't leave him alone- he grabs gun and shoots to protect himself. Any attorney worth his degree can raise this argument. And, most jurors will be totally repulsed by Mr Child Molestor!!!!
Well, I'd like to be able to agree with you, but this kid will do time. There are too many cases where the shooting was even more justified than this and there was jail time.
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Old 12-29-2005, 03:02 PM
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A lot of molesters aren't good at hearing "no" - I think self defense should work, and I think the teen deserves a reward for protecting the next kid from this obviously unrepentant predator.
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Old 12-29-2005, 04:12 PM
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Well, he might have rejected his most RECENT advance. I suspect this guy had been molesting this kid for some time. Victims are often unwilling to admit to a pattern of long-term abuse, since the molester will claim others will see it as "consent". Also, child molesters are incredibly good at picking out kids that have been molested before. It's as if they radiate some kind of wounded/damaged aura only these pervs can see.
My thoughts too.how often do you hear of an child or adult that has been assaulted by more than one person.I think this boy has already suffered at the perverts hands and just wanted it to stop.
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Old 12-29-2005, 06:44 PM
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My thoughts too.how often do you hear of an child or adult that has been assaulted by more than one person.I think this boy has already suffered at the perverts hands and just wanted it to stop.
How horrible....wtf was a 16 year old doing at this guys house to begin with? Where were his parents??
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Old 12-29-2005, 07:19 PM
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The age of consent in Washington is 16, as I understand it. So really, what the man did doesn't seem to be illegal - you can attempt to initiate sex with a sixteen year old there apparently if you want to. Then, if you get rejected you have to stop.

You can't just kill someone for attempting to initiate sex, that's murder.

I don't think this story is on the up and up, anyway. The details in the story don't seem right to me. Why was this young man there at 6 a.m. in the morning, and it's interesting he killed the older man after a witness discovered them.

I don't want to be seen as someone who is defending a sex offender - in this case, what he was doing was legal, it appears, and he got murdered.
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Old 12-29-2005, 07:53 PM
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The age of consent in Washington is 16, as I understand it. So really, what the man did doesn't seem to be illegal - you can attempt to initiate sex with a sixteen year old there apparently if you want to. Then, if you get rejected you have to stop.

You can't just kill someone for attempting to initiate sex, that's murder.

I don't think this story is on the up and up, anyway. The details in the story don't seem right to me. Why was this young man there at 6 a.m. in the morning, and it's interesting he killed the older man after a witness discovered them.

I don't want to be seen as someone who is defending a sex offender - in this case, what he was doing was legal, it appears, and he got murdered.
Bear in mind that most states have TWO sets of "age of consent" laws. One for heteros, the other for homosexuals. The ones for homosexuals are usually higher.
Plus I think this kid's history with this perv went back to when he was considerably younger than 16.
So for what was this boy doing at his house at 6 am? Pedophiles are notorious for preying on children (especially boys) who have, shall we say, self-involved, less than vigilant, and/or over-taxed parents or guardians.
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Old 12-29-2005, 07:57 PM
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Bear in mind that most states have TWO sets of "age of consent" laws. One for heteros, the other for homosexuals. The ones for homosexuals are usually higher.
Plus I think this kid's history with this perv went back to when he was considerably younger than 16.
So for what was this boy doing at his house at 6 am? Pedophiles are notorious for preying on children (especially boys) who have, shall we say, self-involved, less than vigilant, and/or over-taxed parents or guardians.
Washington state doesn't appear to have different laws for heterosexual versus homsexual sex. In the eyes of the law, this was one adult initiating sex with another, and then the older man was murdered. I know a lot of people here feel sympathy for the 16 year old, but this one kind of ruffles my feathers. Just because a gay guy comes on to you, you can't murder him for it. In some states that's punished more heavily as a hate crime than other murders.

age of consent by state:

http://www.coolnurse.com/consent.htm
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Old 12-29-2005, 08:34 PM
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Firs off this was a known sex offender and secondly I don't care what the law says ....


The law is wrong if it states that a 16 year old is an adult.

Maybe if we are talking two 16 YO's but not someone over the age of 20 and a 16 YO.

I understand what your saying Katherine.. Legally speaking... But I am saying that law is wrong. Because I could careless what the law says if some 50 year old hit on my 16 YO daughter??
He would need some serious help by the time I finnished.

The problem is society for too long permitted sick things like 13 YO's to get married to old men. Or the notion that children were merely possessions.
The laws have not come close to catching up the with predominent views of todays society.
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Old 12-29-2005, 08:51 PM
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Amraan - I understand what you are saying, but I keep thinking of my own son.

If a 50 year old man came on to him, I believe firmly in my heart he would rebuff the man, and walk out, and leave, and that would be that, and hopefully he would tell us. But maybe he'd be too embarrassed to admit it and would instead never return to that man's house. I would be mortified if my son got a gun and killed a man who initiated an interest in sex and then backed off when he was rejected. I don't want a boy like that - who would kill someone over a misunderstood homosexual advance. I wouldn't ever trust a boy like that ever ever again, and would fear he would kill other people over embarrassing misunderstandings. I'm not the least bit sad this boy is charged with second degree murder, and a jury can give this a really close look and decide what is right.

My 16 year old can drive, and is often out in the world by himself. If a man comes on to him, and my son rebuffs the advance, and the man takes no for an answer, I think murder is out of the question as a response.
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:16 PM
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Give that kid a medal!
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:21 PM
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Give that kid a medal!
Linda - after he's given a medal, do you want him in your home with your kids?

Really, think about this. If you say yes I want him in my family, I don't understand that. I don't want him in my neighborhood, or my community.

I think he belongs under very close supervision, maybe in Juvy, or perhaps in prison.
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Old 12-29-2005, 11:59 PM
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here's a question: if a woman is being approached by a man who says he is going to rape her, or he is starting to assault her, and she shoots him, would she be arrested?

everyone knows that a very large percantage of rapists end up murdering their victim.

does anyone know, legally, what would happen in such a case?
because, it should work the same if we are talking about 2 men. however, it IS his word against his... if there were no witnesses, which i'm assuming there wasn't. which is why they had to arrest him, i guess- just to be on the safe side.
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Old 12-30-2005, 12:00 AM
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(sorry- PERCENTAGE... i can spell, just didn't proofread!)
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Old 12-30-2005, 12:12 AM
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This is one of the few cases in which I am interested in the defense statements. Did the guy try to initiate sex then back off? Or did he try to press the issue? Or has it been an ongoing relationship where the boy had been abused over a period of time, and finally had enough? Or had the teen been abused by someone else, and so was brought to rage over previous problems? Or is it a case of a homophobic teen, just shocked at being approached by a man?
All of the information is not out yet, the issues aren't real clear. So I will be interested in the defense point of view.
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Old 12-30-2005, 07:07 AM
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Teen likely to be tried as an adult

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Old 12-30-2005, 08:24 AM
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Dang, that is just what I was hoping would not happen!
This was a kid, one who likely was still trying to work out his his own sexuality, and this guy threw a jolt to it. He reacted as a kid! He should be put through the juvy system, not the adult system!
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Why is it that when a custodial parent fails to provide for a child it is called neglect and is a criminal matter. But when a non custodial parent fails to provide it is called failure to support and is a civil matter?


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Old 12-30-2005, 08:35 AM
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Amraan - I understand what you are saying, but I keep thinking of my own son.

If a 50 year old man came on to him, I believe firmly in my heart he would rebuff the man, and walk out, and leave, and that would be that, and hopefully he would tell us. But maybe he'd be too embarrassed to admit it and would instead never return to that man's house. I would be mortified if my son got a gun and killed a man who initiated an interest in sex and then backed off when he was rejected. I don't want a boy like that - who would kill someone over a misunderstood homosexual advance. I wouldn't ever trust a boy like that ever ever again, and would fear he would kill other people over embarrassing misunderstandings. I'm not the least bit sad this boy is charged with second degree murder, and a jury can give this a really close look and decide what is right.

My 16 year old can drive, and is often out in the world by himself. If a man comes on to him, and my son rebuffs the advance, and the man takes no for an answer, I think murder is out of the question as a response.
This guy is a known sex offender. How do we know he accepted no as an answer??? Obviously something made this kid snap. I know if a man came up and tried to assault/rape me, he'd be shot right where he wouldn't be able to use it again and if it killed him, so be it!! Doesn't mean I'd kill someone who tried to "initiate" sex with me and accepted a no. We don't know what this kid has been through. I'm sure he needs some serious help, but jail??? Uh uh....
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Old 12-30-2005, 09:48 AM
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Well, let's not forget that he's not even had a trial yet. A whole big history of all sorts of things may come out. Even if convicted, we don't know what the sentence will be. If this kid has been though so much in his short life that he's willing to take lives in order to prevent something more from happening, he needs help. Maybe, just maybe, they can find that help for him. Prison isn't always San Quentin. There ARE facilities where young people can receive counselling and skills training. Hang in there and let's find out what happens.
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Old 12-30-2005, 02:50 PM
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This guy is a known sex offender. How do we know he accepted no as an answer??? Obviously something made this kid snap. I know if a man came up and tried to assault/rape me, he'd be shot right where he wouldn't be able to use it again and if it killed him, so be it!! Doesn't mean I'd kill someone who tried to "initiate" sex with me and accepted a no. We don't know what this kid has been through. I'm sure he needs some serious help, but jail??? Uh uh....
The boy's juvenile history reads like most troubled boys who end up falling prey to fixated pedophiles (which the sex offender clearly was). Too bad the dead guy's probie/p.o. didn't both to do a serch of his hoem for kiddy porn, or he'd be alive in prison right now, not dead at the hands of a teenaged boy.
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