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Old 03-12-2004, 01:35 PM
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As I have written in other messages I am always wondering why the Otis Thomas story has been completely erased from the Chronology of the Chandra case, so that no mention is made of it at all. Perhaps this is in consideration for the Thomases.

In looking at an old ModBee article yestereday written by Mike Doyle I looked at the Chonology, or timeline, given at the end of the article, and I sent Mike an email asking him about that.

He replied this morning, saying that he did not know exactly--maybe I should just quote him so as to not misquote him.

>>>>I'm not sure why the Otis Thomas element is out of the chronology, as I did
>not put it together. However, I would guess that because he retracted what
>had been very controversial charges, the newspaper's position was that the
>issue was not deserving of notice.
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>Mike<<<

I sent Mike a followup reply and thanked him and said that I would contact the ModBee and ask them. Anyway this takes part of the Otis Thomas story discussion away from trying to ask the FBI and instead just trying to ask the ModBee, or any other newspaper that does not include the Otis Thomas story.

I think that maybe it is left out in consideration for the Thomases, but there is also the consideration for Chandra and her family to be thought of. Anybody who is interested in this subject could also write to the ModBee, or any other newspaper, asking them why the Otis Thomas story is omitted. Good luck. I am going to write today, or tomorrow.

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Old 03-12-2004, 01:49 PM
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Gary Condit v The National Enquirer.

I happened to be searching for something yesterday on the web and came across attorney Lin Wood's website. Lin Wood, of course is Gary Condit's attorney handling his lawsuits.

http://www.linwoodlaw.com/

If you go there you can click for details of the Gary Condit v The National Enquirer case, on the front page of the website. You can download the whole case, 45 pages, in Adobe Acrobat.

Maybe that case is already listed somewhere here, but I have not seen it, so I guess it will not hurt to include it here.

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Old 04-15-2004, 05:21 AM
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Hello. I am sorry to see that I am the last one to post here on the Chandra Levy murder investigation. There is a little news now, not about the case, but about a book scheduled to come out about May 1, or shortly thereafter.

The book is being self-published and will probably be seen everywhere that self-published books are advertised. Here is the name, if that does not get changed.

"Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy"

Here is the link for that thread at the Chandra website where I post. If that does not work just go to www.justiceforchandra.com and that will give a link to the thread.

http://www.justiceforchandra.com/for...er=asc&start=0

Nothing new in the book, but it may revive some interest in the case. rd the owner of the website is the author, using citations from many many sources.

Now I can see a possible snafu in getting the book into print, but that probably will not happen.

In the meantime here is something that I have written about the case. We should not give up on the case just because many people have. I realize that there are a lot of other things going on also.

I am quoting myself here:

"Time allows some reassessment of past events. When Congressman Gary Condit's constituents finally became an informed electorate, having learned of many of the things that their Congressman had been doing but concealing from them, at their first opportunity they voted him out of office."

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Old 04-15-2004, 10:09 AM
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From my rocking chair to you

http://www.unsolved.com/0206-Chiang.html

Part of the article on this link includes this information
"Following her internship, Joyce took a job as a lawyer at the INS. She lived with her brother Roger in the Dupont Circle area of Washington D.C. Chandra
Levy would later move to the same neighborhood'


Also from this same link "To many, similarities between the two were chilling. They both worked for a congressman at one time. Joyce worked for
Representative Berman, who's office was adjacent to Representative Condit's'


From another link - http://www.amw.com/site/archives/19990123/jchiang.html this information is gleaned "Authorities say that Chiang, a lawyer who works
for the Immigration and Naturalization Service, was dropped off by a friend in the Dupont Circle area of Washington, D.C.on January 9, 1999 around 8:20
p.m"


From this link - http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0107/19/wbr.00.html this information is gleaned "And as a member of the House Intelligence
Committee, Congressman Gary Condit has access to the nation's top secrets.


Joyce Chiang dissappeared January 9, 1999
Chandra Levy dissappeared May 2001

My question is this, could it have been possible that Joyce found improprieties while working as a conscientious lawyer for the Imigration and Naturalization
department, and since her office was next door to Condits, that she approached Condit with this information and was made to dissappear?

Additionally since Chandra Levy was intent on finding improprieties in the prison system as well, and may have voiced this concern to Condit as well, then she was
made to dissappear?

Just a few short months after Chandra went missing, came September 11, 2001, and the heat was off of our Mr. Condit, I find this interesting as well. Then we have the story that a quite large number of Osamas relatives were allowed to leave the U.S.A. a day or so BEFORE September 11, 2001

I sit and rock in my little rocking chair and contemplate how convenient all of these happenings seemed to be, for our Mr. Condit. I also wonder HOW and WHO gave the message to Osamas relatives to Get Outta Dodge a big Hmmm for me.

Since I am in charge of nothing in particular, my thoughts may have no meaning whatsoever. My mind keeps coming back to the same ole questions that bother me big time.

Wonder if the Thomas daughter was paid off handsomely or if she gets support or hush money for the little innocent child?
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Old 04-22-2004, 10:54 AM
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Hello Camper, I am getting more interested in the Joyce Chiang murder--if it was a murder. I look foreward to the Chandra Levy case getting into court, and then I will probably concentrate on Chiang, and there was an intern in Florida who was found dead in her Congressman's office, and also a couple of other interns from California showed up dead in Washington, DC.

Right now I look for the solution to the Levy case to come from the political angle. All of law enforcement seems to have mummed up, possibly because they just don't have anything new to say. The media is also quiet on Levy, but this was a murder of a young lady who was dating a Congressman. What do politicians understand? Voters. The police understand voters also. All of us understand voters in some way or another. When the heat gets on, then maybe a few people will talk.

Right now the new book Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy, is on schedule for around May 1. There are now ISBN numbers for the book. They are: 0-595-66433-4 for hardcover, 0-595-31847-9 for paperback, and 0-595-76658-7 for eBook.

Maybe we can generate enough heat so that suddenly law enforcement, and the media, will start saying, "fire, fire, fire." Then there will be some legal proceedings, and not all of that "rumour" language from the DC police.

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Old 04-22-2004, 04:47 PM
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Somehow I don't think so.

When the governmental good ole boys network is in full operation I predict nothing will be discovered, identified, presented or brought to justice. Just two beautiful women who used their heads in discovery, and were taken out to shut them up, and to continue with business as usual.

I don't know what the answer is to finding the murderer or murderers.

If you have not read, please read "The Strange Death of Vincent Foster" by Christopher Ruddy. We find Vincent lying on his back perfectly gently placed, after supposedly firing a gun into his mouth(not his gun)(a gun made from parts from two different guns, dating back to 1800.) Two official reports stating two different locations where his body was found. These are just two of the vastly wild and wonderful mis conclusions relating to his death.

Nopey nope donut think this case will ever be solved, two many clam mouthed good ole boys, who wish to be re-elected. Heard a gentleman on the radio the other day, telling how shenanigans by underlings had led our presidents down the garden path since Franklin Roosevelt. The gentleman was raving on and on and making some excellent points, and ending up saying, "There are not enough telephone polls in America, on which to hang all of these men."

Most likely Washington DC police have been written out of the script for solving this case or any other case involving governmental groupies/entities of a high elected caliber.

I maintain that the World Trade Center was involved in both of these young womens murders. That is my opinion in putting one and one together and getting this strange total.
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Old 04-23-2004, 11:03 AM
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Excellent article

in the current Globe. I hardly ever pick this tab up.

Consider this, that Joyce Chiang was in a perfect position to become aware of the terrorists with student visas attending flight schools in AMerica. The article points to the year 2000 in regard to this and builds up to the time 9/11 happened. Joyce's dead body was found in 1999, hmmm.

Now then WHO would Joyce Chiang have told of her suspicions of this information that she MAY have found during her duties with imigration information? Would she have told Condit, who was privy to national security information? Would he have deep sixed it, either through stupidity, OR might there have been another reason. (This is all speculation on my part as to whether she had this information or not and or who she would have told.)

The Globe article points to a Minneapolis FBI office agent who had firm information about what was happening. A must read, I am not going to print info on here, if anyone cares enough to seek it out and read it, good.
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Old 04-23-2004, 09:02 PM
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Camper, I thought that Joyce Chiang worked for a time for a Congressman right across the hall from Condit's office. I am not certain that Condit was into secrets much, except for his own activities.

Joyce has a brother still living, and he might be receptive to receiving letters about Joyce. I have not looked at the case that close as yet. Jennifer Baker did not know that Chandra was dating Condit, and Flammini did not know either that Chandra was dating Condit. Condit could have dated girls who disappeared and no one ever connected them to Condit.

Just my opinion.

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Old 04-24-2004, 08:10 AM
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They were all from California, Joyce, Condit and the person she worked for, I dis remember whether it was a congressman or what his job was in the government. But to even think that they did not all know each other is remote. As I recall their offices were side by side.

So much time has elapsed, since I was hot on Joyce's murder, that I cannot rant on too much about details.

Who and how would you relate suspicious information to on matters vital to national security? Especially if you worked next to someone who had connections to check things out?? My ordinary common sense tells me one thing, but how would you relate this type of information?

Was her job as an attorney for the INS, to check out and make sure suspicious persons were actually 'registered for classes' on their student visas?

Would she have done this on her own, or could information have been given to her? More questions than answers, and it would appear that no real digging was done, to find answers for her death. IMOP.
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Camper, I do not buy into the school of thought that points to secret government activities as being the reason for many missing persons. I look at the plain old personal relationships as being the cause of most of the missing people.

Of course you can work on the government intrigue, but I look for more simple answers.

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Old 04-24-2004, 10:26 PM
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Dear poster benn8

Please drag over any posts that I have made and copy them right here on this thread, where I have indicated 'government intrigue' and massive numbers of missing people!

I only point to two very attractive and above average intelligent women who had direct contact with Condit, who indeed have been murdered.

You have either misquoted me, or have been mistaken about my focus.

Mr. Condit had a habit of bedding a number of females. Mr. Condit was a married man. Mr. Condit had two children. Mr. Condit held security matters of America in his hands.

You did not answer my question as to HOW YOU WOULD report suspicious imigration activities that you had privy to, IF IF you had been Ms. Chiang.
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Camper I am not trying to misinterpret what you believe, but you have said yourself that Condit had a problem with extra marital relationships. I don't think Condit had any immigration problems, but you can think that if you want to.

I will try to research what I think is most important, and anyone else can research what they think is most important. Maybe someone will get the right answers.

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Dear poster benn8

Your post says: " I don't think Condit had any immigration problems, but you can think that if you want to.


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I NEVER said that Condit had imigration problems, He is an American born person.

Indeed we can believe anything we wish. However the fact remains, that imop, the Washington DC police department was taken out of the investigation loop.

ANYONE is free to read Vincent Foster's book, "The Strange Death of Vincent Foster', to understand how investigations involving important DC personages play out, particulary when 'unsolved murders' are involved.

I prefer not to do battle with an unarmed person. If you would go through what I went through to obtain a copy of Foster's book, and read it, then and only then will I continue this thread duel.
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We have no duel. I will see if my library has the book.

We need all the ammunition we can get.
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Well Condit v. Dunne is back in the news again. The judge has said that Condit can continue his case against Dunne.

Here are some comments I made to a new message board that I found at KGO radio. I don't know if they are strong on message boards. They do have a very active radio talk show program schedule.

Here is what I wrote:

http://boards.abcnews.go.com/cgi/KGO
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ABC7 News Talk
Do you have a comment about one of the stories you read on abc7news.com or saw on ABC7 News? Share your thoughts about the story with other viewers. Make sure to put the web address of the story in your post so that others know which story you're referring to.

I am commenting on this KGO story:

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/news/
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Condit Case Against Magazine Writer To Proceed<<<

Is that good news, or bad news, for former Congressman Gary Condit?

One article at findlaw.com some time back said that Condit should withdraw his case, that discovery at the proceedings might be detrimental to him.

>>>WHY OUTGOING CONGRESSMAN GARY CONDIT IS VERY UNWISE TO SUE AUTHOR DOMINICK DUNNE FOR LIBEL
By JULIE HILDEN
julhil@aol.com
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Tuesday, Dec. 24, 2002
Found at http://writ.news.findlaw.com/hilden
/20021224.html<<<

Another article at Findlaw.com said that Condit should pursue his case.

>>>By John W. Dean
FindLaw Columnist
Special to CNN.com
Friday, January 31, 2003 Posted: 3:36 PM EST (2036 GMT)
Story Tools<<<

Found at .http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/01
/31/findlaw.analysis.dean.condit/

So there are two opinions about the same lawsuit.

In the meantime if you are a California resident and go to Washington, D.C. and get murdered you might not get very good treatment from law enforcement there.

Chandra Levy, who disappeared on May 1, 2001 was considered to be a missing person, but it took law enforcement 11 weeks before they searched the apartment of Congressman Gary Condit, her intimate friend. That is not the normal practice in missing person cases with a close intimate friend, if I have heard correctly. The police may have asked for a search warrant earler but the DA did not turn the request in to the judge Police Chief Ramsey said something to that effect. Anyway the police did not have a search warrant and could not remove pants that they wanted to take with them from Condit's apartment.

On July 30, 2001 Paul Katz, Chandra's uncle, said on the Larry King Live show that the police knew and the Levys knew that Chandra had keys to Condit's apartment. Even so Connie Chung when she interviewed Condit on TV in August did not ask Condit if Chandra had keys to his apartment. No interviewer that I could find asked Condit if Chandra had keys to his apartment.

Chandra's remains were held a long time in Washington, but the three forensic experts who were working pro bono for the Levy family were not allowed to examine the remains with powerful microscopes.

In the search for Chandra the DC police turned down offers from trained volunteer searchers with dogs to help search for Chandra. The DC police also sent a Stanislaus County law enforcement officer home who was sent to Washington to help look for Chandra.

At one time early on Rep. Gary Condit said that it was not proper to be talking about the investigation. A missing persons case and people should not be discussing it?

Oh well, we will see who was right, Julie Hilden, or James Dean.

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Murder on a Horse Trail, The Disappearance of Chandra Levy.

I have the book.
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Old 05-06-2004, 02:21 AM
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>>> Chandra Levy
Does anyone know any updates on this case? It seems so unfair that the Levy's still haven't gotten justice for their daughter!<<<

Hello River, well there is no justice yet, but there are a couple of small developments. The Levys have a new lawyer. That was in the news story from the Washington Post May 1 that was sort of an update on the Levy story. The lawyers name is Steve Mandell, but we don't have an address for him. He may have an office in Southern California. Steve Mandell has a spokesperson.

>>>Susan Anthony. a spokeswoman for the Levy family's new attorney, Steve Mandell, the family is "certainly trying not to be in the limelight."<<<

There is another development and that is the publication of the book I mentioned in my last message. "Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy," by Ralph Daugherty the owner of the www.justiceforchandra.com website is now available from iUniverse.com in an ebook, and in paperback and hard cover editions. The book should be in other book stores soon.

I like the book. Of course I am prejudiced since I post at www.justiceforchandra.com, but I think it is good even if I am biased. It is only the second book out about Chandra's disappearance. There is a lot of material in the book, most of it taken from the files of the Justice for Chandra website, and from the WheresChandraLevy.com website that closed down.

It may be hard to get the book out into the public eye, which would be good for the case, if the book does start getting read.

The ebook is a good buy, about $6.00, which is about the cost of shipping on the paperback book, and maybe a little more on the hardcover book. You can order the ebook online, or on the telephone, download it, and be reading it in a couple of hours or so. I had a little trouble with the latest Adobe Reader, but I phoned iUniverse and they helped me out on that. Someone wrote about phoning to buy the book, the hard cover, and he said "nice people."

Well, have to go. I won't be back here unless someone starts posting here. lol

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I don't have anything new about the Chandra Levy case, and still days go by and isn't there something new each day. The new book (only the second one about the Chandra case) came out in April, "Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy," by Ralph Daugherty, a computer programmer and also owner of www.justiceforchandra.com.

The book brings up a lot of questions, but to date we have not succeeded in getting anyone to try to answer them. Of course the author is supposed to do that, but all supporters of a just solution to the Chandra case would somehow like to lend a hand.

I bought the paperback book, and also an ebook version. I had a few trials with the ebook version until I learned how to make it work. Because I know how to make it work does not mean that it is going to keep working.

That is just like this Cold Case here, we can not expect things to happen, we have to go out and try to make them happen.

I have been writing to people about the book. I don't have the cash to be giving books away. Anyone who wants to can drop over to www.justiceforchandra.com and read some of the posts there about the book. We also have something new there. You can post a message there in the guest section without signing up as a member. We are really a small site over there, and not in competition with anyone, except the bad guys.

I think the odds have got to change. As the book gets more distribution, and more information becomes known to more people, at least a few people are going to get interested, and maybe some day a key player will suddenly express a few thoughts on this case.

Praise God.

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Chandra Levy was likely killed while walking or jogging in the Wash. DC park. Since young women who are alone and not near others aren't usually found in populous DC, the park would be a perfect place for an atttacker to go. Of the millions of people out there who are involved in affairs with married people some will end up being killed ( and some like Amber Frey will be a murder suspect's girlfriend). Despite endless conspiracy theories, Condit likely had nothing to do with her untimely death.
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Hello vicktor, well at least you answered my message. I may be a little slow in replying. Not too many people at Websleuths are posting messages about the Chandra Levy case right now.

Ralph Daugherty, author of "Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy," visited Rock Creek Park and the area where Chandra's remains were found at least once. He makes some first hand remarks in the book from his own research and experience in the park.

A lot of people have the same opinion that you have expressed, but I am looking more at the person whom I think is the main suspect. One reason I am looking at him is that he seems to be unable to talk since Chandra disappeared. Also everything that he did and said was not investigated thoroughly. For example, the Otis Thomas story has been eliminated from almost all timelines. The FBI was very interested in the story to begin with, but then I don't know what happened. They could not find Otis Thomas's daughter to interview her.

I won't write too much here. I just put in a long post at Google last night. They take a little while to get posted. You might be able to find it there, but I use a different user name there, Nocodemus or Noco43.

Condit lived a life of deception all, or most, or his years in Congress. I do not know what year he started dating women other than his wife, that may have been from day one. That was something he could not reveal to his voters. When his voters found that he was concealing information from them (his secret private affairs), at their first opportunity--the next election--they voted him out of office. That seems to indicate that if the voters had known sooner about Condit's activities that he was concealing from them that they would have voted him out sooner. Condit evidently took the secrecy of his affairs very seriously, because to lose his secrecy might be to lose his career in Congress.

Chandra became an obsticle to his career, wanting to marry him, and also accidently revealing his name to her aunt Linda Zambsky (or Katz). Strange that the DC Police termed so much information as Rumors.

When Chandra disappeared Condit may not have known that Chandra had accidently revealed his name to her aunt, but her question to him about Jennifer Thomas must have brought warning signals to him. Condit may have thought that Chandra's disappearance would rid him of secrecy problems, but Chandra had talked to her family, and Linda Zambsky revealed to the world that Chandra had been dating Rep. Gary Condit.

About three weeks after Chandra told her mother that "he explained it all," Chandra disappeared. I am wondering why Chandra would not have said that "he said that the Otis Thomas story was a lie." Instead Chandra said "he explained it all," which is a little vague.

Anyway the FBI quieted that story down fast when they could have investigated it more.

Gotta go. Murder on a Horse Trail does not solve the murder, but it gives a lot of information that can be used to look at the case longer and more carefully.

The book is beginning to sell, but a self published book does not always take off in sales right away, if at all.

The ebook version is the least expensive $6.00 downloadable from the publisher iUniverse.com. I had a few problems with Adobe, but I learned what to do, and IUniverse helped me out by sending another link to the book when I had somehow damaged the first link. An ebook is word searchable which makes it interesting.

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I thought that Connie Chung blew the interview with Condit. I must be the only one because news reports said how great –she was so tough. I felt she could have used more finesse. She put him on the defensive and that is no way to get information to slip out.

My Mom lived in the District and it is a study in contrast so powerful and wealthy yet so poor and seedy, so magnificent but so miserable. The water was not fit to even brush your teeth with, the infrastructure was poorly maintained, it’s mayor was corrupt and you could leave a lush embassy party and see someone eating out of a trash can in front. Make no mistake it is a very dangerous place with a high crime rate. Many unstable people have traveled to DC attracted to the center of government that often figures in their delusions.

Rock Creek Park is lovely. Too bad a wooded area has to be looked at as cover for a predator or street people instead of a wildlife habitat or place of pleasant seclusion.

That all said Condit is sneaky and a liar and showed an astonishing lack of compassion for if nothing else one of his constituents which leaves him open to suspicion. IMO
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Jade, I hope you get a chance to read "Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy." With the National Enquirer book about Chandra my local library has a copy in every branch library, but the NE book was a less expensive book.

I don't know what the solution is to get the book out into the public eye. It is sort of a specialiy book, and people have to do a certain type of reading to want to buy a copy of Murder on a Horse Trail.

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Hi benn and Jade and Viktor,

I saw some comments here on the Chandra case and registered to post here at Websleuths. My site at www.justiceforchandra.com is pretty specialized so its great to have more people here able to see and comment on Chandra's case, as I see from the number of active viewers at websleuths.com.

I hope to be able to pass on something from my experience in writing Murder on a Horse Trail:The Disappearance of Chandra Levy. We can post away here whether you've seen the book or not. I'll quote from it when it helps.

I think the most important thing is to deal with the common perception that Viktor, and for some reason it is usually men, express concerning Chandra being an all too common victim in a park. The rest is irrelevant if it is reasonable and likely that the cause of her murder was being in a secluded park alone.

One of the goals of my book is to show how that is not only not likely, but nearly unbelievable. I wish everyone could not only know the circumstances under which Chandra disappeared, not having a ticket home, telling her landlord a couple days prior to wait till the next day after she disappeared before she would be able to tell him when she was leaving, and in the midst of that uncertainty supposedly hiking for miles on a rough dirt and rock horse trail up into a lonely secluded mountaintop primevial forest that would spook the hardiest of you were to you to make that hike and videotape it.

I saw two couples with their dogs on an entire Friday afternoon in those woods where she was found. What has not been clearly explained is that she was found down the side of a steep hill below a picnic area where you can pull your car or horse trailer back into the woods to unload. In other words, it was an ideal spot to dump a body and an unbelievable spot to find a lone woman alive.

Also usually overlooked are two crime scene situations that are tell tale indications of being murdered by someone she knew: her body was found hundreds of feet down a steeply slanted and very difficult to traverse hillside, yet a hillside with too many trees for the body to roll there, and her insignia ring with 'CL' and her gold bracelet recently given her by Condit were missing but not found pawned anywhere. That is every indication of someone hiding her body and trying to make it look like a robbery, because they couldn't follow through as in a real robbery of a deadbeat drifter and pawn the jewelry. That's a dead giveaway.

The words jog in a park are easy to say and visualize. Replace jog in a park with a vertical climb up a mountain on a rough horse trail for half a mile in the deep solitude of a national forest and it is not a vision any woman would believe took place by another woman alone, without a cell phone, without her pepper spray, without so much as anything from her wallet, with nothing but the keys to her apartment, also missing. And with no id, only someone who knew her would know what door those keys unlocked.

Ralph Daugherty
author, Murder on a Horse Trail: The Disappearance of Chandra Levy
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Old 05-28-2004, 04:47 AM
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Hello ralph, it is good that maybe there can be more discussion here about the Chandra Levy case. I posted on a news group today that more Legwork is needed in the Chandra Levy case. We can do some of the legwork here, but it is the police and the media who will have to do more legwork also, because they have the authority and the crime labs, etc.

Legwork is what made the old Dragnet policemen good policemen, plenty of legwork.

I am a little puzzled about Chandra's gold bracelet. Would she have been wearing her gold bracelet while jogging alone in the park? That does not seem too likely.

More likely she would have worn her gold bracelet if she was meeting someone whom she knew and was going to be with them. She would not have ran over to the park to meet someone. They would have met her at her apartment, or close by.

Carolyn was in town so Chandra would not have met Condit at his apartment. That leaves a question hanging, and I will let it hang here for anybody else to comment on who wants to.

If Condit did not meet Chandra outside of her apartment, and he could have, who else might have picked up Chandra in a car at her apartment to take her to a rendezvous?

As an older person I will just make one comment about our younger generations of today. I think they are a little too trusting.

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Old 05-28-2004, 08:40 AM
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Hmmm

I am intriqued by your appearance here rd, Ralph, I followed this case for substantial time, then became disallusioned by the non results coming from the DC PD.

Tell me, do you cover extensive information on our 'prime' suspect Mr. Condit?

For example did you determine the factual aspects of 'his' requirement that none ? of his female daliances carry personal identification during their 'times' with him?

Also did you ever note the unusual quality of the necklace that Joyce Chiang wore in her missing poster pictures. I thought it to be high quality jewelry that a 'friend' might have given to her. Also that the piece itself could have been tracked to the jewelry shop where it was purchased? Perhaps the same shop where the watch was purchased for a different friend of Condits, by Condit. I thought the piece so unusual that I actually made a duplicate of it for myself. All I have is speculation and observation, and reading and hearing information on the murders.

Additional thought, of course the necklace could have been given to her by a friend, or could have been a birthday gift, or ?? but it was not a run of the mill discount store piece of jewelry imop.

I do of course think, that there had in fact been a 'close' connection between Joyce and Mr. Condit.

One last question why do you feel that the police searches were not effective? Did they use bloodhounds, do you know in their searches for Chandra.

I shall get your book, I have three books in line first to read, and I am a slow reader, because of my 'real life' not enough time to sit and read steadily.
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Old 05-28-2004, 10:17 AM
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Well, I am here because benn got a conversation going about Chandra's case and there are some sharp people here, and as he says that is a good thing. I believe I delve into every aspect of discussions we had on the various crime boards on Chandra's case in the last three years, of course the majority of the discussions taking place that summer.

Murder on a Horse Trail presents information and analysis on all aspects of her disappearance but leaves the questions for the reader to ponder. I tried to write this true crime as a murder mystery. We will see how well readers accept that, as it is neither a fanciful murder mystery wrapped up with a bow tie ending nor a police procedural ending in a conviction. It is more a police non-procedural wrapped up in mystery.

I think the veteran posters such as yourself will be pleased at how all the details you wonder about are covered and presented as part of understanding what happened, and in fact some key points in the book were provided from some internet posts. Larry King, Greta, Dateline, and Geraldo provide the dialogue for the story, and the real investigative reporting provided by Allan Lengel, Michael Doyle, and Niles Lathem. I add my analysis of recreating her last day by looking at what was found on her computer and describing the trek on the horse trail.

I mention the circumstances of Joyce Chiang's disappearance in the book, but didn't go into her murder in depth. There's definitely a story there though.

benn, asking who could have driven her there dead or alive is one question, but I think another way to ask that is, who was close to Chandra and what is their alibi for when she disappeared Tuesday afternoon? I look into that in depth in the book.

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