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JonBenet Ramsey What really happened to 6 year old JonBenet? Someone is getting away with murder. All information posted on this site is gained through published documentation on this case. It is strictly opinion only.


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Old 08-22-2006, 12:26 PM
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Didn't JonBenet mention a visitor was coming?

Now I may be wrong, but I thought that JonBenet had mentioned to someone that there was going to be a visitor coming to see her on Christmas. Does anyone have any information on this?
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Old 08-22-2006, 12:30 PM
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Yes, she mentioned to a friends mother that she was going to get a special visit from Santa.
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Old 08-22-2006, 02:20 PM
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Now I may be wrong, but I thought that JonBenet had mentioned to someone that there was going to be a visitor coming to see her on Christmas. Does anyone have any information on this?

beagledog, i notice this is your first post. welcome to WS! i had the exact same question so i am glad your asked it.
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Old 08-22-2006, 02:26 PM
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Yes! And couldn't the intruder have been dressed as Santa and therefore JonBenet wouldn't have screamed? And couldn't a fuzzy red Santa Suit trimmed with some kind of white fur account for the red fibers and animal hair found at the scene?! Hmm.
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Old 08-22-2006, 02:27 PM
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Yeah, the animal hair was from the reindeer.
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Old 08-22-2006, 02:33 PM
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Yeah, the animal hair was from the reindeer.
Yes and this intruder Santa came down the chimney with a sack of pineapple.
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Old 08-22-2006, 03:13 PM
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JonBenet had a friend named Megan, and it was her mother Barbara Kostanick that overheard JB say to Megan that Santa was going to be making a secret visit after Christmas. Barbara thought JonBenet was confused, so she told JB Christmas was tonight, he'll be here tonight, and JB insisted, "No, no. He said this would be after Christmas. And it's a secret." <--- JB quote from PMPT, pg 39.

Personally, I don't know what to make of this. I said all kinds of things that I wish was true when I was a child, so maybe that's all that was. Maybe not.
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Old 08-22-2006, 03:49 PM
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JonBenet had a friend named Megan, and it was her mother Barbara Kostanick that overheard JB say to Megan that Santa was going to be making a secret visit after Christmas. Barbara thought JonBenet was confused, so she told JB Christmas was tonight, he'll be here tonight, and JB insisted, "No, no. He said this would be after Christmas. And it's a secret." <--- JB quote from PMPT, pg 39.

Personally, I don't know what to make of this. I said all kinds of things that I wish was true when I was a child, so maybe that's all that was. Maybe not.
I dont know what to make of that either, That comment from her always bothered me.
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Old 08-22-2006, 03:54 PM
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I dont know what to make of that either, That comment from her always bothered me.
I think it was partly JB's comment about Santa paying her a special visit that led some people to suspect the Santa @ the Ramsey's party, Bill Something.
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Old 08-22-2006, 04:32 PM
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I think it was partly JB's comment about Santa paying her a special visit that led some people to suspect the Santa @ the Ramsey's party, Bill Something.
Yes I agree about that, I thought so at first as well.
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Old 08-22-2006, 05:06 PM
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could this special visitor have been dressed in regular clothes but brought the white teddy bear with the santa suit to try and prove his was either santa or a worker of santa's, then told JBR that there was another present waiting for her in the basement but told her they needed to eat a snack before going to the basement, I still think there was some sort of poison put in the pineapple and that the perp thought he had fed her enough to knock her out and when that didnt happen he killed her cause he was going to get her out of the house when she was uncouincous, if a stun gun was used it may have been so they could get the garrott around her neck.


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Old 08-22-2006, 05:28 PM
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I think it was partly JB's comment about Santa paying her a special visit that led some people to suspect the Santa @ the Ramsey's party, Bill Something.
Bill McReynolds. I don't believe Santa Bill was the killer mainly because he had had open heart surgery just four months before Christmas and would have been too weak. McReynolds and wife and family were cleared by police.
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Old 08-22-2006, 05:31 PM
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If it was premeditated and planned, what if "Santa" somehow gave JonBenet a call (on the telephone) around Christmas time? Told her to get up and let him in the house after everyone had gone to bed maybe?
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Old 08-22-2006, 05:41 PM
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Hi Kimmer,

I've read here that she won the Santa teddy bear at a pageant in Denver. Don't know what date or why her parents said they hadn't seen it before.

It is very strange though that Karr sent a photo by email to the professor of a young boy holding a bear exactly like it.

I think I've figured out it had to be a staged photo he sent. 25 years difference in age between them, and if she won this bear it would be a brand new one, right? So he had to find a bear like this, get a little boy that looked like him and then snap a pic.

Crazy. Why in the world would he go to such lengths?


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Old 08-22-2006, 05:41 PM
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If it was premeditated and planned, what if "Santa" somehow gave JonBenet a call (on the telephone) around Christmas time? Told her to get up and let him in the house after everyone had gone to bed maybe?
I do have to say I find that statement of hers to be eerie...but who knows if there was truth to it...or just child talk.
Really leaves one to wonder if it was just coincidence.

I wonder if the police checked the phone records around those times...one would think they would...but I've never heard anything of it.
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Old 08-22-2006, 05:46 PM
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The DA's office refused to give police a search warrant for phone records. Detectives were urged to build a relationship with the Rs and then request any information they wanted.
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Old 08-22-2006, 05:50 PM
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The DA's office refused to give police a search warrant for phone records. Detectives were urged to build a relationship with the Rs and then request any information they wanted.
Say whaaat?

I'm guessing the phone records were never checked then? Or did the Ramsey's give the go ahead?
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Old 08-22-2006, 05:56 PM
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So where did JonBenet see a Santa before xmas. I can't see them standing inline at the local mall. Was there a xmas parade that she was in or a xmas contest that had a Santa?
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Old 08-22-2006, 09:46 PM
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Bear From Pageant?

I haven't seen it but some say there's a video showing the bear being presented at a pageant. Has anyone here seen it? Maybe someone's false memory? Is it true that PR said it was "shabby" and had never seen it?
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Old 08-22-2006, 09:51 PM
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"Yes! And couldn't the intruder have been dressed as Santa"

And that would also explain why no one would have noticed someone climbing into the Ramseys windows. If neighbors did see it they would just say "hey look it's Santa on his way to deliver gifts to the Ramseys"

LOL, I think some of the speculation around here get's down right silly.
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Old 08-22-2006, 10:00 PM
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Say whaaat?

I'm guessing the phone records were never checked then? Or did the Ramsey's give the go ahead?
Oh yeah, unbelievable but true. As far as I know, and anyone, please correct me, the police never got the records.

What I wanna know is, why didn't the Rs just turn the records over without a warrant, without being asked, if they have nothing to hide? You'd think they'd want to prove their innocence here.
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Old 08-22-2006, 10:01 PM
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So where did JonBenet see a Santa before xmas. I can't see them standing inline at the local mall. Was there a xmas parade that she was in or a xmas contest that had a Santa?
The Ramseys had a Christmas party on the 23rd and Bill McReynolds came and played the part of Santa for the children.
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Old 08-22-2006, 10:06 PM
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I haven't seen it but some say there's a video showing the bear being presented at a pageant. Has anyone here seen it? Maybe someone's false memory? Is it true that PR said it was "shabby" and had never seen it?

Hi Eagle,

I've learned reading around this evening that the bear was described as shabby and was older. That could be one huge clue for us. Maybe it really was his bear as a child. If JonBenet had won this at a pageant, I don't think they would give a 6 year old girl and antique! LOL It would have been brand spanking new, right?

Could he have actually brought this bear with for her and that is why JB said said Santa was going to bring her a special present after Christmas. I bet the bear was it!


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Old 08-22-2006, 10:45 PM
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Hi Eagle,

I've learned reading around this evening that the bear was described as shabby and was older. That could be one huge clue for us. Maybe it really was his bear as a child. If JonBenet had won this at a pageant, I don't think they would give a 6 year old girl and antique! LOL It would have been brand spanking new, right?

Could he have actually brought this bear with for her and that is why JB said said Santa was going to bring her a special present after Christmas. I bet the bear was it!


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The only thing about all of this is who told her Santa was going to give her a special present>If this thing with the bear occurred and JBR knew she was getting a 'special' present who told her.When and Where? Someone she met at a pajeant or a mall maybe.
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Old 08-22-2006, 11:12 PM
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That overheard comment bothers me as much as the pineapple.

I can't believe the police never got the phone records, though. That is such a no-brainer, they surely had them by the time of the grand jury. Of course, all that testimony is sealed, right? So we don't really know what they finally found.
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