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Old 10-06-2006, 04:58 PM
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Murder charged in girlfriend torture slaying 'Silence of Lambs'-type chamber shocks

10-05) 13:38 PDT OAKLAND -- Murder charges were filed today against Earl Stefanson, the Oakland man who was arrested this week on suspicion of torturing and beating his girlfriend to death in a home where police say they found a chamber straight out of "The Silence of the Lambs."

Stefanson, a 41-year-old roofer, is accused of murdering 36-year-old Leslie Lamb of San Leandro, whom he dropped off at Highland Hospital the night of Aug. 26 after he allegedly beat her. She later died.


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Old 10-06-2006, 05:16 PM
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a serial type

He needs to be backtrailed to see where he has been and who disappeared when he was in the area.
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Old 10-07-2006, 01:44 AM
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Since she lied about who she was seeing, I'm thinking she went over there for some S&M/bondage fun and games... and the guy wasn't so good at it and accidently she died. The press tends to blow things out of proportion, as do people who have no idea that, what looks like a Silence of the Lambs torture chamber, can be what we in the lifestyle of bondage just call a dungeon.

I have one. If you search it with Luminol, you will find the blood of several people, yet I've never kept anyone against their will in there.

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Old 10-07-2006, 02:18 AM
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Since she lied about who she was seeing, I'm thinking she went over there for some S&M/bondage fun and games... and the guy wasn't so good at it and accidently she died. The press tends to blow things out of proportion, as do people who have no idea that, what looks like a Silence of the Lambs torture chamber, can be what we in the lifestyle of bondage just call a dungeon.

I have one. If you search it with Luminol, you will find the blood of several people, yet I've never kept anyone against their will in there.

Just a thought.
Sorry for maybe an overreaction, but - eek!
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Old 10-07-2006, 02:23 AM
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Since she lied about who she was seeing, I'm thinking she went over there for some S&M/bondage fun and games... and the guy wasn't so good at it and accidently she died. The press tends to blow things out of proportion, as do people who have no idea that, what looks like a Silence of the Lambs torture chamber, can be what we in the lifestyle of bondage just call a dungeon.

I have one. If you search it with Luminol, you will find the blood of several people, yet I've never kept anyone against their will in there.

Just a thought.
You may be right but if that is so then he can stand being back trailed by a thorough investigation if L.E. should choose to do one. The truth is not afraid of the light of day. And yes, I can see where her name could have led to the press overreaction. A good investigation could yield the answers as to whether this is overreacting press or a real dangerous man.
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Old 10-07-2006, 02:25 AM
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Since she lied about who she was seeing, I'm thinking she went over there for some S&M/bondage fun and games... and the guy wasn't so good at it and accidently she died. The press tends to blow things out of proportion, as do people who have no idea that, what looks like a Silence of the Lambs torture chamber, can be what we in the lifestyle of bondage just call a dungeon.

I have one. If you search it with Luminol, you will find the blood of several people, yet I've never kept anyone against their will in there.

Just a thought.
Whatever floats your boat. But I suspect this case has less to do with bondage and more to do with violent, rape and assualt.Throw in a hatred of women and a touch of psychosis and that is it.
This guy has probably hurt and maybe, killed others in that hell hole. What a loser!. Glad they got him.
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Old 10-07-2006, 02:35 AM
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Since she lied about who she was seeing, I'm thinking she went over there for some S&M/bondage fun and games... and the guy wasn't so good at it and accidently she died. The press tends to blow things out of proportion, as do people who have no idea that, what looks like a Silence of the Lambs torture chamber, can be what we in the lifestyle of bondage just call a dungeon.

I have one. If you search it with Luminol, you will find the blood of several people, yet I've never kept anyone against their will in there.

Just a thought.

Really?
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Old 10-07-2006, 06:42 AM
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What a sad story.I feel bad for her son.

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Old 10-07-2006, 01:45 PM
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Since she lied about who she was seeing, I'm thinking she went over there for some S&M/bondage fun and games... and the guy wasn't so good at it and accidently she died. The press tends to blow things out of proportion, as do people who have no idea that, what looks like a Silence of the Lambs torture chamber, can be what we in the lifestyle of bondage just call a dungeon.

I have one. If you search it with Luminol, you will find the blood of several people, yet I've never kept anyone against their will in there.

Just a thought.
This was my first thought when I read the story. BDSM isn't my "thing" but I know some people whose thing it is. I think the victim in this case may have been on the downlow.

It will be interested to see how the story unfolds. I am so sorry that this happened to her.
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Old 10-07-2006, 02:16 PM
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Since she lied about who she was seeing, I'm thinking she went over there for some S&M/bondage fun and games... and the guy wasn't so good at it and accidently she died. The press tends to blow things out of proportion, as do people who have no idea that, what looks like a Silence of the Lambs torture chamber, can be what we in the lifestyle of bondage just call a dungeon.

I have one. If you search it with Luminol, you will find the blood of several people, yet I've never kept anyone against their will in there.

Just a thought.
Sorry, but I'm not buying that it was accidental with blood of three different people all over the place. I don't think that the torture chamber was exaggerated either. The ex-wife got a restraining order for some reason. The guy sounds like a nut. I'm not saying that the victim didn't have her problems either. She dated the guy for 10 months, didn't she?? I think that she probably had some insight into his violent tendencies, but maybe not... Perhaps, he saved showing her the room until this particular evening...
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Old 10-07-2006, 03:12 PM
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This was my first thought when I read the story. BDSM isn't my "thing" but I know some people whose thing it is. I think the victim in this case may have been on the downlow.

It will be interested to see how the story unfolds. I am so sorry that this happened to her.
I thought the "downlow" was when men who were/are supposedly strictly heterosexual go off for a little homo fun unbeknownst to their significant others.
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Old 10-07-2006, 03:24 PM
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Since she lied about who she was seeing, I'm thinking she went over there for some S&M/bondage fun and games... and the guy wasn't so good at it and accidently she died. The press tends to blow things out of proportion, as do people who have no idea that, what looks like a Silence of the Lambs torture chamber, can be what we in the lifestyle of bondage just call a dungeon.

I have one. If you search it with Luminol, you will find the blood of several people, yet I've never kept anyone against their will in there.

Just a thought.
Ummm, o.k.

I don't participate in this lifestyle myself, but I do know a well equipped dungeon is expensive, unless he built it all himself. And the statement "he wasn't so good at it" doesn't explain her death. There's more to it than someone who didn't know what they were doing, although by the time someone manages to aquire a well supplied dungeon you'd think they'd have learned a few safety precautions along the way---unless safety wasn't in his mind and absolute torture and murder were.
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Old 10-07-2006, 04:31 PM
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I thought the "downlow" was when men who were/are supposedly strictly heterosexual go off for a little homo fun unbeknownst to their significant others.
That is the official definition of the "downlow" - and I even read an article in the AJC that said it started in the African American community to describe such men - but I often use it to refer to anyone whose sexual proclivities are hidden and unique.
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Old 10-07-2006, 07:02 PM
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Methinks many hours of therapy would be required should your kids ever walk in on you in your dungeon in full regalia...

what dat...
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Old 10-07-2006, 07:06 PM
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Since she lied about who she was seeing, I'm thinking she went over there for some S&M/bondage fun and games... and the guy wasn't so good at it and accidently she died. The press tends to blow things out of proportion, as do people who have no idea that, what looks like a Silence of the Lambs torture chamber, can be what we in the lifestyle of bondage just call a dungeon.

I have one. If you search it with Luminol, you will find the blood of several people, yet I've never kept anyone against their will in there.

Just a thought.
I could be wrong but aren't you a parent? How can you possibly think having such a thing in a home with children is ok? Even if the door is hidden and locked it could be discovered.

Wow, Just when I didn't think much could shock me anymore.


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Old 10-07-2006, 07:25 PM
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That is the official definition of the "downlow" - and I even read an article in the AJC that said it started in the African American community to describe such men - but I often use it to refer to anyone whose sexual proclivities are hidden and unique.
Oh, gotcha, that makes sense. THanks!!
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Old 10-07-2006, 07:32 PM
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I could be wrong but aren't you a parent? How can you possibly think having such a thing in a home with children is ok? Even if the door is hidden and locked it could be discovered.

Wow, Just when I didn't think much could shock me anymore.


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Most parents keep their sexual lives hidden from children - in some form or fashion. How is this any different?
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Most parents keep their sexual lives hidden from children - in some form or fashion. How is this any different?
I think it's quite difficult to keep a dungeon hidden... Would be pretty awkward to explain...doesn't quite fit into the birds and the bees conversation.

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I think it's quite difficult to keep a dungeon kidden... Would be pretty awkward to explain...doesn't quite fit into the birds and the bees conversation.
Neither do dildos, vibrators and porn tapes, but parents manage to keep these hidden. Most parents don't even TRY to explain the full spectrum of sexual behavior and somehow kids manage to figure it out on their own!

Maybe Glitch's dungeon is off premises...
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Old 10-07-2006, 09:47 PM
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Yes; it might have to be moved into the bizarre thread!
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Old 10-08-2006, 12:16 AM
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Neither do dildos, vibrators and porn tapes, but parents manage to keep these hidden. Most parents don't even TRY to explain the full spectrum of sexual behavior and somehow kids manage to figure it out on their own!

Maybe Glitch's dungeon is off premises...
"Maybe Glitch's dungeon is off premises"
I sure hope so!

There is a difference between porn etc. and "the blood of several people" and equipment used to cause that blood. If it can easily be mistaken for a torture chamber perhaps having it in a home with children isn't a good idea.

To me it's kind of like keeping a loaded gun in your room where children might get ahold of it. Or having a "nice pitbull" as a pet. What IF?!?!
If they were to play with this stuff they find they could get hurt or hurt someone else seeing how it's so easy to have an instance when "the guy wasn't so good at it and accidently she died". Certainly if "the guy" had an accident, couldn't the kids as well?

As for having the blood of several people on your walls or wherever, I imagine seeing the blood would be a pretty scarey thing for a child!

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Old 10-08-2006, 08:59 AM
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"Maybe Glitch's dungeon is off premises"
I sure hope so!

There is a difference between porn etc. and "the blood of several people" and equipment used to cause that blood. If it can easily be mistaken for a torture chamber perhaps having it in a home with children isn't a good idea.

To me it's kind of like keeping a loaded gun in your room where children might get ahold of it. Or having a "nice pitbull" as a pet. What IF?!?!
If they were to play with this stuff they find they could get hurt or hurt someone else seeing how it's so easy to have an instance when "the guy wasn't so good at it and accidently she died". Certainly if "the guy" had an accident, couldn't the kids as well?

As for having the blood of several people on your walls or wherever, I imagine seeing the blood would be a pretty scarey thing for a child!

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In Glitchwizard's original posting, Luminol was mentioned. This led me to believe that any blood that might be around would not be readily apparent, and I don't imagine it could be seen without forensic assistance.

Heck, blood can certainly be shed in sexual encounters that don't involve any "toys" at all.
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And there are places on the body that even with tiny deep scratches will bleed profusely. I didn't read the article word for word, but I don't recall them saying there was copious amounts of blood all over the place. It's tragic whether she was willing or not. But I think there may have been some willingness since she didn't live there. If I was into that and then decided not to go that route anymore and lived at home, when creepo came over I'd just tell Mom & Dad and his reception would let him know in no uncertain terms he needed to move along in life.
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The man has a history of Violence! Come on!
His ex-wife had a restraining order out on him! His neighbors saw him being verbally abusive to women. "We saw him argue with other girlfriends," said one man, who asked not to be named because he feared retribution. "We know that he had a temper and could be quite angry."

Is that part of the "sex games" too? From my understanding of S&M it is about the ultimate in trust and love not -anger and abuse! There is a huge difference!
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