Father kills daughter because he doubts her virginity!

[michelle]

http://www.comcast.net/news/internat...doubtvirginity WTH is wrong with people?

[southcitymom]

Originally Posted by michelle

http://www.comcast.net/news/internat...doubtvirginity WTH is wrong with people?

This is so sad. I am glad that "honor" killings have caught the eye and ire of humans rights activists.

[Nova]

I am opposed to the death penalty in ALL cases.

But if I were ever to make an exception...

[michelle]

4 times in the head! I swear, some people. And he can get UP TO 15 years. I guess that is all a life is worth, just sick!

[southcitymom]

Originally Posted by michelle

4 times in the head! I swear, some people. And he can get UP TO 15 years. I guess that is all a life is worth, just sick!

So much of this is based in fundamentalist religous beliefs and it baffles me.

It's sad to me that anyone could have a perception of God that would include God giving a rat's ass about someone's virginity. Even more terrifying - that your perception of God is such that God thinks murder is an appropriate solution if virginity is suspected gone.

Wouldn't it be terrifying to have a God like that? If that's what Heaven is all about, I'd be like "no thanks, count me out!"

[michelle]

Originally Posted by southcitymom

So much of this is based in fundamentalist religous beliefs and it baffles me.

It's sad to me that anyone could have a perception of God that would include God giving a rat's ass about someone's virginity. Even more terrifying - that your perception of God is such that God thinks murder is an appropriate solution if virginity is suspected gone.

Wouldn't it be terrifying to have a God like that? If that's what Heaven is all about, I'd be like "no thanks, count me out!"

It is scary, I think of God as loving, merciful forgiving ect....Not the kind who sits up there waiting to beat us on the head everytime we mess up.

[Cypros]

Originally Posted by southcitymom

So much of this is based in fundamentalist religous beliefs and it baffles me.

It's sad to me that anyone could have a perception of God that would include God giving a rat's ass about someone's virginity. Even more terrifying - that your perception of God is such that God thinks murder is an appropriate solution if virginity is suspected gone.

Wouldn't it be terrifying to have a God like that? If that's what Heaven is all about, I'd be like "no thanks, count me out!"

Honor killing has absolutely nothing to do with religion. It is a result of a patriarchal socio-politico-kinship system in which a woman's inappropriate or "bad" behavior is seen to bring dishonor to the family and honor is EVERYTHING in a tribal society. As with just about everything religion merely reflects and justifies the laws of the culture.

The Muslim god is no more vindictive or violent than the Jewish and Christian gods. Just read the bible and you will find numerous senseless deaths and destruction for seemingly minor infractions. Ever heard of Sodom and Gomorrah or Noah and the Flood? And what about Job? Wouldn't it be terrifying to believe in a God like that?

[southcitymom]

Originally Posted by Cypros

Honor killing has absolutely nothing to do with religion. It is a result of a patriarchal socio-politico-kinship system in which a woman's inappropriate or "bad" behavior is seen to bring dishonor to the family and honor is EVERYTHING in a tribal society. As with just about everything religion merely reflects and justifies the laws of the culture.

The Muslim god is no more vindictive or violent than the Jewish and Christian gods. Just read the bible and you will find numerous senseless deaths and destruction for seemingly minor infractions. Ever heard of Sodom and Gomorrah or Noah and the Flood? And what about Job? Wouldn't it be terrifying to believe in a God like that?

Good post. I totally agree that there is no difference in a fear-based perception of a Muslim, Jewish or Christian God.

As far as the cause of this being socio-politico based OR fundamentalist religious belief based - that's a the chicken or the egg debate. I still think that this type of behavior does have religious beliefs (along with socio-politico-kinship beliefs ) underneath.

I'm not taking a poke at the Muslim religion, which I love and have studied since college. I'm taking a poke at extremists of any religion.

[Cypros]

Originally Posted by southcitymom

Good post. I totally agree that there is no difference in a fear-based perception of a Muslim, Jewish or Christian God.

As far as the cause of this being socio-politico based OR fundamentalist religious belief based - that's a the chicken or the egg debate. I still think that this type of behavior does have religious beliefs (along with socio-politico-kinship beliefs ) underneath.

I'm not taking a poke at the Muslim religion, which I love and have studied since college. I'm taking a poke at extremists of any religion.

Ah, but the people who commit honor killings do not tend to be extremists or fundamentalists. Well, I cannot speak for all of the different cultures that have this practice (in America the husbands and boyfriends wait for the women to be pregnant and then kill them -- although it has nothing to do with honor), but I do know about Jordan which is where this particular case took place. In Jordan, such cases tend to occur within the bedouin population which is the least affected by fundamentalism. They are muslim and with strong faith but very traditional and have an even stronger allegiance to the family/tribe.

And I am happy to say that the government in Jordan is making a strong effort to put a stop to this practice but it is one of those controversial subjects, kind of like abortion and capital punishment here in the States.

[reb]

let me guess.... muslim, right? the 'religion of peace'?

[OneLostGrl]

Originally Posted by southcitymom

So much of this is based in fundamentalist religous beliefs and it baffles me.

It's sad to me that anyone could have a perception of God that would include God giving a rat's ass about someone's virginity. Even more terrifying - that your perception of God is such that God thinks murder is an appropriate solution if virginity is suspected gone.

Wouldn't it be terrifying to have a God like that? If that's what Heaven is all about, I'd be like "no thanks, count me out!"

Yet, they won't give people with alcohol a ride in their cab!

[reb]

LOL!! yeah, that would be a real sin!

[southcitymom]

Originally Posted by Cypros

Ah, but the people who commit honor killings do not tend to be extremists or fundamentalists. Well, I cannot speak for all of the different cultures that have this practice (in America the husbands and boyfriends wait for the women to be pregnant and then kill them -- although it has nothing to do with honor), but I do know about Jordan which is where this particular case took place. In Jordan, such cases tend to occur within the bedouin population which is the least affected by fundamentalism. They are muslim and with strong faith but very traditional and have an even stronger allegiance to the family/tribe.

And I am happy to say that the government in Jordan is making a strong effort to put a stop to this practice but it is one of those controversial subjects, kind of like abortion and capital punishment here in the States.

Well said! I did not know this and will have to re-examine my thoughts on the matter. With this information, I can certainly see how this type of killing would be more related to the patriarchial system than to religious beliefs. I know more about Muslim religion than Muslim culture, though the two are intertwined in many areas. Thanks for the education.

[GlitchWizard]

That mindset is so very different from mine that I can't comprehend it. To me, it's not possible to kill your child for any reason, much less a stupid reason - and in this case, turns out it was for NO reason.

[curious1]

Originally Posted by Cypros

Honor killing has absolutely nothing to do with religion. It is a result of a patriarchal socio-politico-kinship system in which a woman's inappropriate or "bad" behavior is seen to bring dishonor to the family and honor is EVERYTHING in a tribal society. As with just about everything religion merely reflects and justifies the laws of the culture....snip

Good points. And for the last part, I think it's more 'the interpretation of religion' that reflects and justifies the laws of the culture. Here in the US people pointed ot the bible as justification for racism. Religion is not the problem, it never is, it is 'mans' flawed interpretation of religion that screws things up everytime.

[GlitchWizard]

Originally Posted by curious1

Good points. And for the last part, I think it's more 'the interpretation of religion' that reflects and justifies the laws of the culture. Here in the US people pointed ot the bible as justification for racism. Religion is not the problem, it never is, it is 'mans' flawed interpretation of religion that screws things up everytime.

Man's flawed interpretation of women screws up alot of things too.

[curious1]

True, so true, Glitch.

[eve]

Originally Posted by OneLostGrl

Yet, they won't give people with alcohol a ride in their cab!

They won't give people w/ seeing eye dogs a ride, either/ It is blasphemous or offesive to their God to get dog saliva on themselves. They have a sentence of up to 15 years for homicide but kill non-virgins?

Eve

[Vegas Bride]

All I can think about is "this poor girl"

What had been happening in her home that caused her to run away in the first place, and then her father is given proof she is a virgin, signs a pledge saying he will not harm her and then shoots her 4 times in the head!! Oh yes, he has certainly seen to it that there is Honor in his family!!!

VB

[narlacat]

Originally Posted by southcitymom

Good post. I totally agree that there is no difference in a fear-based perception of a Muslim, Jewish or Christian God.

As far as the cause of this being socio-politico based OR fundamentalist religious belief based - that's a the chicken or the egg debate. I still think that this type of behavior does have religious beliefs (along with socio-politico-kinship beliefs ) underneath.

I'm not taking a poke at the Muslim religion, which I love and have studied since college. I'm taking a poke at extremists of any religion.

You beat me to it.

No wonder the poor girl tried to run away, unknown reasons?

Try trying to escape a psychotic father.

[michelle]

Originally Posted by narlacat

You beat me to it.

No wonder the poor girl tried to run away, unknown reasons?

Try trying to escape a psychotic father.

Hi Narla!!! I cant imagine what this poor girl went through. It amazes me what a parent can do to a child.

[kazzbar]

Originally Posted by reb

let me guess.... muslim, right? the 'religion of peace'?

Mmm, oh so very peaceful. Especially when it is perverted and twisted to suit ones own agenda....