A question for Annasmom - Page 2

mysteriew · #26 05-28-2007, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Annasmom

I don't recall ever seeing this picture before. It looks as if it was cut from a contact sheet, and I know George took some pictures of Anna around that time. She had just turned one year old. On the back of the picture GW had written "1 year 2 days" and "Anna Christian EIFEE". He had not yet left home for good at that time, though I think he was actually living somewhere else and just stopping by the house an hour or two every once in a while. The background could be the back yard at the house. It's hard to tell. Also there is a visible white fingerprint on the print, as though it had been made on the negative.

The picture is very posed and his shoulders appear even. Did he have a timer for the camera or do you think it was taken by a third party?
Did he develop the pictures himself usually? "Cut from a contact sheet" Wouldn't there normally be several pictures on a contact sheet? So he took the time to take the pictures, cut the one away from the others, and kept the picture. From the pict that is shown, the picture doesn't appear to have any wear or discoloration such as would come with being handled or carried in a wallet. Yet he kept the picture.

Sorry, just trying to understand his mindset/motivation here.

InterestedNHelping · #27 05-30-2007, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Annasmom

We've been looking at some pictures of a George Brody who was probably born around that time, but that would make him much younger than the GB I met, who had to be at least in his late sixties in 1967, if not older than that.

My theory on this was not necessarily that he may be Brody, but that this person may have been involved so as not to incriminate Brody. However, I would 'assume', LOL, that LE checked into this person all those years ago, to see if there was any connection between the men?

SherlockJr · #28 05-30-2007, 12:59 PM

My first thought when Annasmom found a medical form with the name of a man listed was that could have been GB's real name and that would be reason for GW to keep this lab order. But the name listed on the receipt is a more spanish or italian name. I feel this is another sample of evidence found in the BFH linking the two George's to her disappearance.

InterestedNHelping · #29 05-30-2007, 01:07 PM

Excellent take on the lab slip, the more theories we have the more we may find about the truth. I agree wholeheartedly with you that this could link the Georges in some way. I just feel that GB made GW his scapegoat, which really irks me.

I do not go searching folks down or anything like that, but I would like to know the name, even though I know that it may not be made public. Perhaps LE would check it out.

(I am off to my son's graduation for a few days, hooray!) Will keep thinking on this 'pink paper man'!

Annasmom · #30 05-30-2007, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by InterestedNHelping

My theory on this was not necessarily that he may be Brody, but that this person may have been involved so as not to incriminate Brody. However, I would 'assume', LOL, that LE checked into this person all those years ago, to see if there was any connection between the men?

As far as I know, GB was not investigated at all. Though this lab sheet was in the box with GW's papers, it was in Joe Ford's possession and then in mine until LE took the whole box last year. The lab sheet is stapled to a piece of paper Joe dated March 28, 82, with the following notes in his hand:
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1973: MNHC (Mission Neighborhood Health Center) receipts indicate no change or irregularity in hours worked when A. disappeared compared to rest of year.
Envelope from IRS marked as Audit 73 (#2) (of 1972 return) [no contents]
Presbyterian Hosp. pay stubs show no work change in hours during year
Mazda purchase & receipts
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It is possible that Joe, rather than GW, kept this particular lab slip as an indicator that GW was in fact at work the day Anna disappeared. We do not know the hours he was at work.

Dr. Doogie · #31 05-30-2007, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Annasmom

...It is possible that Joe, rather than GW, kept this particular lab slip as an indicator that GW was in fact at work the day Anna disappeared. We do not know the hours he was at work.

The following is speculation, but I believe it to be logically sound:

It would make sense that Joe Ford would not have been able to access the clinics files or obtain the slip by circumstance (i.e. finding it in a garbage can, etc.). This means that Waters must have retained this one slip for a specific reason - to create an aliabi. The slip may be legit and retained by GW to show that his whereabouts were known on the day that Anna disappeared, or it may be a forgery to cover his tracks. But I think it is a safe assumption that Waters had this slip in his possesion directly related to Anna's disappearance.

InterestedNHelping · #32 05-30-2007, 04:26 PM

Lots of different ideas....

I 'feel' that this paper is extremely important to this whole case, I still do, but what part of the paper I am not sure. However, the reason I brought it up, is because of the name on the paper, and who they are in relation to the case, (if at all)

I have another question that may have been answered prior, if so, I apologize. How does anyone (is it LE, or Annasmom, or whom?) know that in fact GW destroyed papers prior to his death. Is it stated in LE reports that things were burned in the garbage, or shredded, or what exactly? I was wondering where this idea came from, I just do not remember if it was addressed previously.

I also firmly believe that GB must have taken advantage of many other people in his life, GW being the last. I wish someone would see that picture and come forward as a victim....too bad AMW wouldn't feature him as unknown identity...(darn bugger had an identity, just not his own I bet)
Where else can he be featured????

and last but not least...GW sure looked unsure of himself in several of the photos of him with Anna...reminds me of my husbands face, when our son was born, lol

Dr. Doogie · #33 05-30-2007, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by InterestedNHelping

...How does anyone (is it LE, or Annasmom, or whom?) know that in fact GW destroyed papers prior to his death. Is it stated in LE reports that things were burned in the garbage, or shredded, or what exactly? I was wondering where this idea came from, I just do not remember if it was addressed previously...

I do not know where this came from also. I do know that GW was meticulous in keeping records of his personal papers going back several years, yet there is a noticable gap centering around January 1973. While this does not prove that materials from that period were destroyed, it does look very suspicious.

Shadow205 · #34 05-30-2007, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by InterestedNHelping

Lots of different ideas....

I 'feel' that this paper is extremely important to this whole case, I still do, but what part of the paper I am not sure. However, the reason I brought it up, is because of the name on the paper, and who they are in relation to the case, (if at all)

I have another question that may have been answered prior, if so, I apologize. How does anyone (is it LE, or Annasmom, or whom?) know that in fact GW destroyed papers prior to his death. Is it stated in LE reports that things were burned in the garbage, or shredded, or what exactly? I was wondering where this idea came from, I just do not remember if it was addressed previously.

I also firmly believe that GB must have taken advantage of many other people in his life, GW being the last. I wish someone would see that picture and come forward as a victim....too bad AMW wouldn't feature him as unknown identity...(darn bugger had an identity, just not his own I bet)
Where else can he be featured????

and last but not least...GW sure looked unsure of himself in several of the photos of him with Anna...reminds me of my husbands face, when our son was born, lol

Do we know that they won't? I don't remember if AMW has ever been contacted. If they have not been then perhaps they should be.

GraceBlue · #35 05-30-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Doogie

I do not know where this came from also. I do know that GW was meticulous in keeping records of his personal papers going back several years, yet there is a noticable gap centering around January 1973. While this does not prove that materials from that period were destroyed, it does look very suspicious.

Hmm, not only that looks suspicious but if you think about Craig B seeing 2 men (an older man and a younger man) before Anna disappeared and the fact that GW took off work around the time Anna disappeared. Hmm

GB died in December and GW killed himself few weeks after that. Does anyone know what GW did or where GW went before he killed himself?

Dr. Doogie · #36 05-30-2007, 06:07 PM

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Hmm, not only that looks suspicious but if you think about Craig B seeing 2 men (an older man and a younger man) before Anna disappeared and the fact that GW took off work around the time Anna disappeared. Hmm

GB died in December and GW killed himself few weeks after that. Does anyone know what GW did or where GW went before he killed himself?

It was about two weeks between the two deaths. We know that GW spent part of it tending to Brody's final arrangements (death certificate, cremation, etc.). How he spent the rest of the time is open for speculation.

InterestedNHelping · #37 05-30-2007, 07:03 PM

Here are several more thoughts...

First off, AMW would be great for our story, since Brody is dead, anyone who may have known him might come forward without fear of retribution.(as long as this is clearly stated on the show) However, my only doubt about them taking the story is that Brody died as "Brody", and we have no proof that he was not Brody, so they may not want to touch it...(I refuse to give up however, I will find out who he was)

Secondly, I remember that previously it was stated the GW was 'gone' for a time at that time, how was that substantiated? And are there any accurate dates? Also, If I can know the exact countries he had passports for at the time it will help me in my work.(this is a critical one for me, I want to research several ideas, if there is accurate passport info)

And lastly, the "two men, older and younger", this equates to my theorizing about the 'patient' on the paper, he seems a POSSIBILITY of a go-between in this to me.

The more info I can have the better, if anyone can answer to my speculations!

mysteriew · #38 05-30-2007, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow205

Do we know that they won't? I don't remember if AMW has ever been contacted. If they have not been then perhaps they should be.

How about Dateline and 48 hours?

smile22 · #39 05-30-2007, 08:49 PM

what about finding the sister of margret or was she a relative? have we gotten any info on brody from her? i think she holds some answers as well as to who brody might be

Annasmom · #40 05-30-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Doogie

I do not know where this came from also. I do know that GW was meticulous in keeping records of his personal papers going back several years, yet there is a noticable gap centering around January 1973. While this does not prove that materials from that period were destroyed, it does look very suspicious.

Joe Ford is the only person who knows this for sure. I think there were lots of empty file folders and envelopes.

Annasmom · #41 05-30-2007, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by InterestedNHelping

Here are several more thoughts...

Secondly, I remember that previously it was stated the GW was 'gone' for a time at that time, how was that substantiated? And are there any accurate dates? Also, If I can know the exact countries he had passports for at the time it will help me in my work.(this is a critical one for me, I want to research several ideas, if there is accurate passport info)

And lastly, the "two men, older and younger", this equates to my theorizing about the 'patient' on the paper, he seems a POSSIBILITY of a go-between in this to me.

The more info I can have the better, if anyone can answer to my speculations!

The fact that GW was away from his hotel for two weeks was furnished by the desk clerk at the hotel. Nobody knows where he went. I have all the passport information posted somewhere on the forum, but it was iffy. GW applied for a new passport, saying that his old one--which was still valid--had been destroyed in a fire. This is the one which would have had all the entry and exit stamps in it. The application for the new passport showed only "Europe and Greece" as planned destinations. The passports themselves were not among the papers.
I don't think the name on the paper had any particular significance other than as proof that GW was at work on that day.

Dr. Doogie · #42 05-31-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by smile22

what about finding the sister of margret or was she a relative? have we gotten any info on brody from her? i think she holds some answers as well as to who brody might be

There has been some communication and we are getting new infornmation regularly. Because of the ongoing nature of these talks, we are trying to get the complete picture before we post the highlights here.

Rhett · #43 05-31-2007, 02:26 PM

I think 48 hours mysteries or Dateline either one would be the best. It is an intricate story and I think either of those shows would be a good forum for explaining the case more thoroughly. IMO

Dr. Doogie · #44 05-31-2007, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhett

I think 48 hours mysteries or Dateline either one would be the best. It is an intricate story and I think either of those shows would be a good forum for explaining the case more thoroughly. IMO

48 Hours Mystery generally reports on crimes that have been solved (or at least pretty much been solved where there is an ongoing trial). They usually do not do "open-ended" stories like our mystery.

I do not know how Dateline handles their stories.

Annasunc is using his expertise in media relations to try and find a national media outlet for Anna's story. If anyone can get us coverage, he is da' man!

mysteriew · #45 05-31-2007, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Doogie

48 Hours Mystery generally reports on crimes that have been solved (or at least pretty much been solved where there is an ongoing trial). They usually do not do "open-ended" stories like our mystery.

I do not know how Dateline handles their stories.

Annasunc is using his expertise in media relations to try and find a national media outlet for Anna's story. If anyone can get us coverage, he is da' man!

A long time ago Tricia (site owner) met one of the producers of Dateline and talked to him about WS. At one point he was looking for story leads. This doesn't exactly meet the criteria that he outlined then, but..... I wonder if Tricia were to get in contact with him and explained the story if maybe he might be interested?
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30199

SherlockJr · #46 06-09-2007, 12:04 AM

:HappyBday I almost forgot!!!!! I hope Annasmom had a wonderful birthday.

:HappyBday Happy Birthday Annasmom! :HappyBday

mfmangel1 · #47 06-09-2007, 04:10 AM

:HappyBday

A Happy & Blessed Birthday to Annasmom!!!!

:HappyBday

Cubby · #48 06-09-2007, 06:56 AM

Annasmom,

:HappyBday HaPpY BiRtHdAy:HappyBday

Hope you have a wonderful day!

Annasmom · #49 06-09-2007, 10:22 AM

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:HappyBday I almost forgot!!!!! I hope Annasmom had a wonderful birthday.

:HappyBday Happy Birthday Annasmom! :HappyBday

Thank you! And I had a wonderful birthday present: I had found to my distress a month or so ago that the only movie I had of Anna (a videotape made from film given the NCMEC which they then lost) had degraded--there was nothing on it. Annasunc gave it to the newspeople who were here when we were waiting for DNA results. They took it back to the East Coast and used their high-tech magic to restore it! It should be here Monday or Tuesday, Annasunc says.

GraceBlue · #50 06-09-2007, 01:23 PM

Happy Birthday Annasmom!!!!!! :HappyBday :HappyBday :HappyBday

You are a Gemini like my little girl, who will be 2 on the 13th.

Geminis are strong people!

Thats wonderful about the video. I hope you enjoy it!!