FL - Jennifer Kesse, 24, Orlando, 24 Jan 2006 - #4

[Myserty64]

I'm having one of those moments but anyway this thought occurred to me regarding the first POI photos that were released.

We all know the POI appears to be dressed in all white or some other light pastel color.
Then we heard how LE noticed that their dark police uniforms looked light colored when they were photographed by the same camera.
This has led to speculation that the POI was wearing darker clothing than what was originally thought.

My point is this......if the camera is making dark colors look light how come his shoes and hair/hat look very dark colored, perhaps even black.

[Myserty64]

I remember reading LE had cleaned her car out.

I assume that like most of us her car got a bit messy at times.

[philamena]

Originally Posted by leftcoast

Wow

Philamena. I missed that interview.. Anyway you could find it and give us a link. INteresting.

I wonder if Mr. Kesse didn't know how to explain that he had viewed the video of the pOI parking the car, and didn't know how to explain that he "knew" Jk was not the last driver.

OR

Maybe the POI was stupid enough to leave behind an empty coke can, bottle of water, etc, that he was drinking. Such a bottle would be a perfect source of DNA and prints. VEry interesting. But, LE wouldn't return such an item to the KEsse's, it would be kept as evidence.

NOTE: I did hear a rumor that the Kesse's stated the car was returned much "cleaner" than the way that JK kept it. I thought the Kesse's stated that either LE or the perp. had cleaned out the car. Is this possibly what you are suggesting? I can't imagine that LE would return the car to the KEsse's with items still in the car. Unless, of course, the KEsse's viewed the car after it was found and before LE performed forensic testing.

I have read several articles which stated that "nothing" was found in the car, and there was no sign of blood, a struggle, or anything . I wonder which articles are correct.

I'd love to read that article or hear someone else's take on this, Drumstick, Mystery, ES, SS


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Let me see if I can find it. BRB.

[leftcoast]

Originally Posted by Myserty64

I'm having one of those moments but anyway this thought occurred to me regarding the first POI photos that were released.

We all know the POI appears to be dressed in all white or some other light pastel color.
Then we heard how LE noticed that their dark police uniforms looked light colored when they were photographed by the same camera.
This has led to speculation that the POI was wearing darker clothing than what was originally thought.

My point is this......if the camera is making dark colors look light how come his shoes and hair/hat look very dark colored, perhaps even black.

good point Mystery

If you look at the POI picture, only the shoes, hat, the gate, and the tires are black.

I'm wondering if only "jet" black shoes up dark, and everything else shows up light. In other words, dark blue, navy, yellow, white, etc. would show up light. Agree.

LE should have kept copies of the tape while they were measuring the height (as well as re-creations). this way, LE would have a comparison of what colors show up light, dark, etc. I sure hope they did this. One would think it is elementary.

RE: the POI photo: It sure would be nice to know what color the car is in real life. And what time the person had their car parked at that particular spot.

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[Myserty64]

I have never heard the suggestion 'that JK met foul play because of something that was left in the car.'
In fact her parents often expressed the belief that their daughter was still alive.

On the DNA and other evidence the only place that has been reported was on the link that drumstick provided which was some 'Fox' outlet.
I have never seen it reported via any other media.

This makes me wonder if this was released in error like the second video.
Maybe the DNA report was pulled back but not before it few words got out in a single press report.

[philamena]

Here is a link to one of the articles about Jennifer's car. The article includes quotes by Mr. Kesse. Still looking for the Greta transcript.
http://www.wftv.com/news/7162648/detail.html

Investigators Collected Clues From Missing Woman's Car


UPDATED: 4:48 pm EST February 17, 2006

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Channel 9 has learned some of the clues investigators might have uncovered from Jennifer Kesse's car. The 24-year-old disappeared almost a month ago....
He said, even with the splashes of processing fluid used to check for evidence, his daughter Jennifer's car is cleaner than she ever kept it. Detectives likely have most of the items of clutter that used to be there, hoping for clues.

"I'm sure they took everything they possibly could out of it and I hope they pulled something off of something in that car to give them a direction," Drew Kesse said.

Fingerprint dust lines the steering wheel, gear shift, door handles and anything else a suspect might have touched. The seats and floors were likely vacuumed to collect hairs and fibers. Soil tests could show where the mud caked on the bottom of the car came from.

[leftcoast]

Originally Posted by Myserty64

I have never heard the suggestion 'that JK met foul play because of something that was left in the car.'
In fact her parents often expressed the belief that their daughter was still alive.

On the DNA and other evidence the only place that has been reported was on the link that drumstick provided which was some 'Fox' outlet.
I have never seen it reported via any other media.

This makes me wonder if this was released in error like the second video.
Maybe the DNA report was pulled back but not before it few words got out in a single press report.

Thanks, that is what I thought. Usually the sources from media are reliable, hopefully, it is true.

Think about it logically. Unless the POI left a DNA sample in the form of a cig. butt, a soda can, or a piece of hair on the driver's seat headrest, how would LE "KNOW" for certain it is from the POI?

Same thing for prints. However, my "gut" tells me that the POI was sloppy, and he touched that car after dropping it at HOTG, and that is why LE skipped the 10 seconds from the video.

Either that, or he got something out of the backseat, trunk, etc. All good places to find a print, that LE can say came from the POI via the video.

There has to be a "reason" why LE deleted those 10 seconds. The POI did or touched something, that only the POI and Le are aware. IMO

Thanks for the info. Mystery.

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[philamena]

Another link that explains why the POI's clothes may not be as they seem.


http://www.wftv.com/news/6878944/detail.html

WEB SITE: http://www.jenniferkesse.com/



Investigators: 'Person Of Interest' Photo Not What It Seems

UPDATED: 12:08 pm EST February 9, 2006

ORLANDO, Fla. --

snippet

The image was captured from a surveillance camera at the condo complex where Jennifer Kesse's car was found. But police now think the camera has a different kind of technology that may alter the color in the pictures.

Police still think the photos are their best lead in the case, but initially they thought the person of interest was wearing a white shirt and light colored pants. But when crime scene investigators saw themselves on the camera wearing their own dark uniforms, those too appeared to be light in color.

Now, investigators are asking the public to look at the pictures again without much regard for the clothing, instead focusing on the body type, the hair style or someone you know who was walking in the area about two weeks ago

[philamena]

One more link to the video of the POI parking her car.

http://www.local6.com/news/13338700/detail.html

$1 Million Offered For Information In Case

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A man videotaped parking a car belonging to missing Jennifer Kesse at an Orlando apartment complex was called a suspect by police Thursday during a press conference announcing the release of new surveillance video in the case.

The new video shows someone pulling Kesse’s car into a parking spot at the Huntington On The Green apartments on Jan. 24 and then walking away.

[Myserty64]

Well as Left suggested maybe the camera sees jet black as black and all other colors as varying pastel shades.
Can we assume the suspect has black shoes and black hair/hat.


The other camera which I assume has the same technology showed her black car as being black.

Left has another good point too and I mean't to mention this previously.
How do LE know that any DNA pulled from the car actually belongs to the perpetrator.
I have no idea how often that car carried other passengers such as clients or workmates or friends.
What about mechanics that might have driven it to test it after a service.
There are numerous possibilities.

If an arrest is ever made they can compare the DNA from that person to what they got from the car.

[nanandjim]

If the back of the sign on the wrought iron fence is white, I think that the perp is wearing white. It also looks like a man to me. The thickness of the arm and also the slimness of the hips and the walk look masculine. That's my guess.

Could Jennifer's father have smelled smoke in her car and knew that she didn't allow anyone to smoke in it and therefore something had to have happened for it to smell of smoke. I'm just wondering if it was a clue such as this that was left behind, so to speak.

[Myserty64]

$1 Million Offered For Information In Case

To me, that is a very misleading headline.

[Myserty64]

I think the suspect is a man too. I don't see any ladies walking with that kind of stride.

I'm known to be wrong on many things but on this I feel strongly I am right.

[leftcoast]

Mystery:

Another thought about the dark clothes showing up light

Is there a chance that the shoes, tires, fence, and hat/helmet are made of a different material than clothing, and hence, don't absorb the sunlight?

Maybe the dyes in clothing are affected differently by sunlight, than in the above items.

make any sense?

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[leftcoast]

I think it is a man also. The shoulders, the stride, the body contour. Looks like a lean, in shape, man, who works out, and possibly is a runner.

Plus, the odds are pretty overwhelming that men commit most crimes, especially those against women.

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[nanandjim]

Geez...I am so confused at this point that I'm beginning to think that the only way that this crime is going to be solved is an eventual hit on the DNA.

I'm now wondering if the perp could be a lesbian who looks and walks like a man. Then, again, to be a little biased, can most women park a car so precisely and quickly. I know that I can't...

[leftcoast]

Originally Posted by nanandjim

If the back of the sign on the wrought iron fence is white, I think that the perp is wearing white. It also looks like a man to me. The thickness of the arm and also the slimness of the hips and the walk look masculine. That's my guess.

Could Jennifer's father have smelled smoke in her car and knew that she didn't allow anyone to smoke in it and therefore something had to have happened for it to smell of smoke. I'm just wondering if it was a clue such as this that was left behind, so to speak.

If true, then LE should release such information, and hopefully have a cig. butt. Another possibility is the position of the seat. However, I'm sure LE moved it around during their examination (after documenting its' postion).

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[leftcoast]

Originally Posted by Myserty64

$1 Million Offered For Information In Case

To me, that is a very misleading headline.

IT is misleading. that reward is only for the SAFE return of JK.

left

[nanandjim]

Originally Posted by leftcoast

If true, then LE should release such information, and hopefully have a cig. butt. Another possibility is the position of the seat. However, I'm sure LE moved it around during their examination (after documenting its' postion).

left

I personally think that LE should release any information that would help in the possible identification of a suspect. What do they have to lose at this point? If they have something that would specifically identify the suspect (like DNA) or something left behind in the car, they can keep that a secret. Otherwise, the more information, the better.

[Beyond Belief]

Originally Posted by Alice253

What color are the shoes, BB? The one thing that immediately pops to mind for me is nursing shoes, Nurse Mates to be exact. The ones I wear have a blue heart toward the back of the shoe. Here's a link.
http://www.supershoes.com/asp/Showal...rl=CNP=KNC-GLX

I think their blacfk, they never change color no matter how i set the color. I thought high tops, white on top.
Good catch on the heart, I have racking my brain. Could just be writting that looks like a heart.

[leftcoast]

Originally Posted by nanandjim

I personally think that LE should release any information that would help in the possible identification of a suspect. What do they have to lose at this point? If they have something that would specifically identify the suspect (like DNA) or something left behind in the car, they can keep that a secret. Otherwise, the more information, the better.

Totally agree

We have been begging OPD to release everything for about 4 months.

As a matter of fact, most of us abandoned this website simply because there was nothing to talk about. We all knew there was evidence placing the POI in that car, but, LE would not release that information.

I say, its NOW OR NEVER

Forget about the prosecution. Finding JK is number one. Identifying the POI, and getting him off the street, or around the clock surveillance is of upmost importance. If he is capable of this, he is capable of doing it again to some other young woman.

I guarantee, once the POI is id'd, the prosecution will take care of itself. Prosecution always comes second to the safety of the citizens of the community. imo

I can't believe the Kesse's let LE hold onto that tape for over one year. Shouldn't that be the Kesse's decision?
What if it was one of the LE's kids, would they make the same decision?

Time to show your hand. I agree.

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[rd_jfc]

I feel we have two crimes of opportunity here, and only one of them was abducting Jennifer Kesse.

The other, in my opinion, was finding a parked car with keys and purse and driving off in it. That would be the person in the surveillance pictures.

I feel confident that Jennifer would have stopped at the FedEx Kinko's on Orange Blossom near the UCF South campus on her way to work, which appears to me she would take down Orange Blossom.

Kinko's opens at 6 am. Getting there about 7 am, which is about three to four miles across Americana to Orange Blossom and down Orange Blossom to just above Sand Lake Road and the Florida Mall, would allow her to keep her normal schedule of going to work between 7:30 am and 8 am and calling Rob, perhaps on the way.

I feel Jennifer was possibly abducted like Dru Sjodin in a North Dakota mall parking lot. She was overpowered at knife point and dragged into the abductor's car.

Dru was found months later in a rural area on the way from the mall to a town 30 miles away where he lived. But that's a far more rural area than Orlando. I don't expect this abductor to be from out of town, but he may have taken Jennifer out of town to a rural area also.

In my opinion, Jennifer's car would have been left with her purse on the seat, perhaps even the keys still in the car. In a high crime area like Orange Blossom, it would only be a matter of time before someone stole the car with the purse and everything else in it.

I suspect that this is a petty criminal, an illegal, and they probably did get a print from him, and it wouldn't be in any database... yet. Perhaps they'll catch him for something else and the prints will finally match, or perhaps there's too much heat and he fled the country.

He would probably have driven to Jennifer's address to use her car to burglarize her place before she could report the car stolen, but when he saw the gates didn't try to go through them.

I think then that he drove on down to Texas Ave. intersection, knowing very well that the apartment complex was not a busy place, and took the bus down Texas and back over to Orange Blossom. He undoubtedly knows the area well and probably lived somewhere close to where he found Jennifer's car.

The irony is that none of the big ticket items, her car and credit cards, were used or sold. A petty thief would have cleaned out her condo of any valuables he could find, but decided to abandon the car and take her personal items with him.

With the news of Jennifer's disappearance, it would quickly be too risky to even turn her cell phone on, given that it apparently was not active during that time.

I hope I am wrong. This is not a good scenario for Jennifer in that the crime scene would be the abductor's vehicle, not her car, and that even if the guy in the surveillance pictures is found, he would only be able to say where he found the car.

And there really is no chance of finding him. There is only a chance of someone else knowing about this and turning him in for reward money.

As usual, finding Jennifer will help the most, but I don't think the abductor is this guy at all.

rd

[Myserty64]

I am familar with the Dru Sjodin case. It is a shocking story and when she was abducted she was actually talking to her boyfriend on her cell phone.

rd_jfc has an interesting post.

Is it possible she was abducted and then someone else 'stole' her car for a short joy ride and dropped it at HOTG.

One thing against this scenario is; would the car have been so correctly parked.

I believe anything is possible in this case.

[Beyond Belief]

did anyone notice something that looked like movement behind the car when it backs up? like someone getting out and walking away from it?

[rd_jfc]

Yes, Myserty, I feel he took some care to wipe down for prints, and parked so as to not draw attention.

This has simply to do with being done using the car for burglary, in my opinion. I feel he would have loaded it up with any valuables from Jennifer's condo if he could have driven up to it, but once he decides to ditch it, just being careful about being caught.

rd