The Doe Network, Part 3: Who is Princess Blue?

[diamondgirl]

Originally Posted by RKnowley

Hi diamondgirl. I think that somewhere in all these threads on Princess Blue Elizabeth Campbell's sister stated that she did not believe Princess Blue is her sister Elizabeth. I can't recall all of the details on why she didn't believe Princess Blue to be Elizabeth. I will see what I can come up with.

I hope her sister didn't think it wasn't her due to the composite. I just thought that her being Asian and White, may have been the reason for the confusion of Princess Blue's race.

[richandfamous]

Thinking of you this Holiday Season.

[LionRun]

Here is info about Elizabeth Campbell.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/mp...3:32:53PM'

Texas Missing Persons Clearinghouse Online Bulletin

Missing Person Details

Date Picture Updated: 10/17/2001

Name: Elizabeth Ann CampbellCase Number: M8804006Case Type: InvoluntaryLast Seen in: Copperas Cove (Coryell County)Last Seen on: 4/25/1988Height: 5' 2 " Weight: 97 lbs. Age Missing: 20 Eye Color: BrownHair Color: BlackDate of Birth: 5/31/1967Race: OtherSex: FemaleState Missing From: TexasCountry Missing From: USACircumstances: Ms. Campbell has scars on her forehead, elbow, under her chin and on her right eyebrow. She has a mole on her back between her shoulder blades and a small birthmark on her right buttock. Ms. Campbell wears glasses and has pierced ears. She was last seen at the 7-11 store on Highway 190. Ms. Campbell was wearing a white T-shirt with a design on the front, blue jeans, and white tennis shoes. She also wore a diamond Romance Wittnauer watch and a 10 karat gold ring with 3 sapphire stones in the center and one diamond on each side. Ms. Campbell was carrying a yellow jacket, a 7-11 smock with her name tag, a maroon-colored purse, and college books. Her purse was later found and turned into the Crocket County Sheriff's Department in Ozona, Texas.
Additional Pictures

Date Picture Updated: 10/25/2006

Photo is shown age progresses to 39 years of age.

[LionRun]

Here is info about Elizabeth Ann Pfeifer. She may be another possible match.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/mp...4:27:24PM'

Texas Missing Persons Clearinghouse Online Bulletin

Missing Person Details

Date Picture Updated: 10/10/2001

Name: Elizabeth Ann PfeiferCase Number: M8611001Case Type: EndangeredLast Seen in: Katy (Harris County)Last Seen on: 4/12/1986Height: 5' 2 " Weight: 110 lbs. Age Missing: 20 Eye Color: BlueHair Color: BrownDate of Birth: 12/10/1965Race: WhiteSex: FemaleState Missing From: TexasCountry Missing From: USACircumstances: Ms. Pfeifer has a tattoo on her left shoulder of a red rose with the name "Dave" printed under it. She has shoulder length hair and was last seen wearing a white pullover blouse with lavender sleeves and blue jeans.
Additional Pictures

Date Picture Updated: 8/8/2006

[heidi k]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=145354299

Here is the myspace link for the one person i found on myspace who graduated robert lee highscool in 1975, she looks like a bigger woman, she could have weighed the 175, but her profile is set to private, im sure authorities can contact her to find out about more people who graduated with her...

[LionRun]

Heidi, welcome to the Princess Blue thread. Originally, it was believed that Princess Blue weighed about 175LB in life based on her HS ring size of 9 1/2. However, a few months ago a team of forensics specialists determined that she most likely did not weigh 175. In fact we cannot rule out anyone based on any weight.

Also, she had on a a Robert E. Lee, Houston, high school ring. The lady in the myspace graduated from Robert Lee HS(not Robert E. Lee) in Robert Lee, TX. It was confusing for us at first because we learned there were a number Robert E. Lee high schools all over the country and in Texas. Gosh, last year I emailed a slew of Robert E. Lee, San Antonio alumni by accident! I got some good info from one of the students, though.

I have very slow dial-up, and it takes about ten minutes just to load the first myspace page. And, I don't know how to research on myspace. Can you research 1975 Robert E. Lee High School, Houston, TX alumni on myspace? Some of our members have researched in the past, but you never know what might be out there at this point.

Lion

[heidi k]

Ok ya i will search that LOL didnt realize how many there were. so was that ring made for only that one school or was it made for all the robert e lee schools? i have dsl so mine goes a little quicker. thank god lol, i am too impatient for dial up

[LionRun]

Each high school contracts their choice of hs ring makers. So, yes that ring was made for only that school. Here is a pic of the actual ring found on Princess Blue. You can see that it reads, "Houston" on it. And, Princess Blue was found in Man, TX, which is in the Houston, metro area.



Thank you so much for joining us and offering to help on this case and with Benjaman.

Lion

[heidi k]

your welcome, i will get started on this one here in a few. thanks for updating me =o) someone has got to know she is, people dont just come and disappear w/ out no one knowing who they are or that they are missing. especially that close to home

[Angel4Alpha]

Question: Since the male and female rings from the time (75) were almost the same (not like today where the females are smaller) could it be possible that the ring is a males and not a females after all (since it was originally a large ring size?) Perhaps the ring could have been a males who the unidentified cared about so they wore it?

[Earthbound Misfit I]

Hi Angel4Alpha,

We came to the conclusion quite awhile back that the ring found on Princess Blue was a female's ring. The band for a male's ring was much thicker than the female band. Also, as some stated, they were petite in weight and yet they still wore a larger ring size.

Originally Posted by Angel4Alpha

Question: Since the male and female rings from the time (75) were almost the same (not like today where the females are smaller) could it be possible that the ring is a males and not a females after all (since it was originally a large ring size?) Perhaps the ring could have been a males who the unidentified cared about so they wore it?

[Angel4Alpha]

Thanks RKnowley- do you know offhand if these have been checked?

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/115dftx.html petite and last seen by her husband in 1978 and has a couple aliases so may have had a different name when still in high school

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/401dftx.html age right for her own ring - height right and from texas

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/93dftx.html long shot but from texas and the age is right for it to be her own ring possibly

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/475dftx.html hispanic/houston could have been her ring

[Earthbound Misfit I]

Angel,
Wanda might be a possible for Princess Blue. The last 3 you listed would be too old to be Princess Blue. Princess Blue was between 16 and 21 (or 22?) when she died.

Originally Posted by Angel4Alpha

Thanks RKnowley- do you know offhand if these have been checked?

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/115dftx.html petite and last seen by her husband in 1978 and has a couple aliases so may have had a different name when still in high school

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/401dftx.html age right for her own ring - height right and from texas

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/93dftx.html long shot but from texas and the age is right for it to be her own ring possibly

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/475dftx.html hispanic/houston could have been her ring

[Angel4Alpha]

Thanks - besides wanda here :


Vital Statistics Date Of Birth: January 21, 1958
Age at Time of Disappearance: 20 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'4; 90 pounds
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes.
Marks, Scars: She has scars on the chin, above one eye, and on top of the head.
Clothing: She was last seen wearing a multi-colored halter top, blue jeans, and brown shoes.
AKA: Wanda Lee Ann Lundin, Wanda Lee Ann Miller
Dentals: Two front teeth turn in towards each other.
DNA: Available in CODIS

Question - does one check codis themselves by entry or does it computerize match automatically and show hits periodically?

This one though looks like the model drawing to me - even though shes 29 - is it possible to be a little off on age on an unidentified?
Maria Trinidad Velasquez


Date Of Birth: September 23, 1956
Age at Time of Disappearance: 29 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'3"; 130 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Hispanic female. Black hair; brown eyes.
Marks, Scars: She has burn scars on the front of both thighs.

[Angie4b1g]

IMO it is time for a new composite.

For years before I actually sat down and read into this case more, I thought Princess Blue was black.

[LionRun]

The info based on what a team of forensics specialists say as of about a year ago is that Princess Blue was white, but that a parent or grandparent may have been African American.

Angie, had you heard about this case years ago? I only just heard of it about a year ago after teonspaleprincess posted the first post on thread one. Just curious.

Lion

[LionRun]

Angie, do you have a link for Maria Velasquez?

Lion

[Gina_M]

Originally Posted by diamondgirl

I hope her sister didn't think it wasn't her due to the composite. I just thought that her being Asian and White, may have been the reason for the confusion of Princess Blue's race.

It was in a thread for another UID. Sable was actually posting that Elizabeth Campbell might be the UID, and Sable just happened to have Princess Blue's info in her sig. Elizabeth Campbell's sister thought it was being suggested that Elizabeth was Princess Blue. Here is the thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho....php?p=1549844

[Angie4b1g]

Well ok maybe not years, but at least as long as the threads have been going on here

[LionRun]

Thanks, Gina. I remember that thread and posted in it. I am sorry that I didn't recall that Elizabeth Campbell may have been ruled out as Princess Blue. MoonBug, the poster who said she is a relative of Elizabeth stated that back in 9/90 shortly after Princess Blue's remains were found, Elizabeth was ruled as being Princess blue by an investigator in Austin.

Lion

[LionRun]

Originally Posted by Angie4b1g

Well ok maybe not years, but at least as long as the threads have been going on here

It does seem like longer that we have been searching for Princess Blue's identity, doesn't it?

Lion

[Earthbound Misfit I]

Hi Angie,

I'm not sure what you mean by "new" composite? The sketch of Princess Blue was only released earlier this year. The first 2 articles that came out on Princess Blue days after she was found in 1990 the articles stated she was white/hispanic. When another article came out about her and the class ring in 2006 it said that Princess Blue was white/hispanic. Then a new forensic workup was done on Princess Blue and they almost completely ruled her out as being hispanic and instead said she was white with a possible mixed race heritage and that possibly one of her parents or one of her grandparents were african american.

Originally Posted by Angie4b1g

IMO it is time for a new composite.

For years before I actually sat down and read into this case more, I thought Princess Blue was black.

[diamondgirl]

Originally Posted by Gina_M

It was in a thread for another UID. Sable was actually posting that Elizabeth Campbell might be the UID, and Sable just happened to have Princess Blue's info in her sig. Elizabeth Campbell's sister thought it was being suggested that Elizabeth was Princess Blue. Here is the thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho....php?p=1549844

Thanks Gina, I read what her sister said. She basically stated she didn't think that was her sister because of the graduation year of the ring, but we already know that the ring could not be princess blue's because she was too young for it to be hers. I don't mean to be a PITA but I just don't think anyone she be ruled out on the ring alone. I mean, chances are it probably isn't Elizabeth Campbell, but who knows. For me, I feel that when I look at a forensic composite that was done from a skeleton, I can't help, but pay attention to the cheekbones. That is the one thing that is going to be the same between the real person and the composite. Elizabeth Campbell has very high cheekbones, just like Princess Blues.

I just wish we knew who she was, because she mattered to someone. I hope I don't sound like im arguing because Im not. Just typing aloud

[believe09]

Hi, folks...long time lurker who is kibbitzing a bit-I located some people on the reunion website that were in the class of 74-76 at Lee High School-can't we just ask someone if they knew anyone in the class of 75 who fit the physical description of 175 lbs or so with a larger ring size who might have had an L on their ring?

I assume someone has already obtained a yearbook for the class with the same idea.....I looked on ebay and saw one for 1970 and one for 1979. You get your ring in your sophomore year, right??

[LionRun]

Diamondgirl, I understand what you are saying, and I agree that it is a good idea to understand why and how someone is ruled out. According to to the ME's report on Princess Blue, teeth #'s 14 and 19 were present.

See post 216 at this link posted by the reporter, Craig Malisow.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...t=50140&page=6

From the doenetwork, Elizabeth Campbell was missing teeth 14 and 19.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/113dftx.html

Unfortunately, Princess Blue cannot be Elizabeth Campbell if these reports are correct.

Lion