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Madeleine McCann Missing from the Algarve region of Portugal since May 3, 2007. Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, have said that they left the children unsupervised in a ground floor bedroom while they ate at a restaurant about 120 metres (130 yards) away.


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Old 06-13-2007, 11:24 AM
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No offense Petra, but how do you know they "know" about this tipster? Is this some European common knowledge those of us in the USA aren't familiar with? Thanks!
No offense taken. LOL--sounded strange how I wrote that.

I work for Save the Children. Have worked for years in Eastern Europe with sex-trade division. Will leave it at that, if that is okay.

Am now working in a slightly different specialty in a different location.

DH also involved through doc without borders.
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Old 06-13-2007, 11:24 AM
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One more question, and this one is for everyone. IF it is understood that Europe has pedo-rings, then why do so many in the USA refuse to believe there are pedo-rings operating here? No one doubts there are prostitution rings in most nations, no one doubts there are mob families in most nations---what is really the difference between those and pedo-rings? They all provide (sickening as it is) a service in return for financial gain.
Because people want to believe "Not here, not in my city". It's the worst case scenario for parents.
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Old 06-13-2007, 11:24 AM
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Could it be simply be a Dutch psychic? The letter in the cases of Stacy and Nathalie was off just a little on where they were found, but they searched the area because of it.

I forgot about those Psychics. Could be. I feel though that if they are actually over there pocking around in rocks then there has to be some valid credence to the tip.
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Old 06-13-2007, 11:28 AM
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No offense taken. LOL--sounded strange how I wrote that.

I work for Save the Children. Have worked for years in Eastern Europe with sex-trade division. Will leave it at that, if that is okay.

Am now working in a slightly different specialty in a different location.

DH also involved through doc without borders.
Petra, have you heard much about the Ricky Martin Foundation? Do they have a good reputation in your work community?

http://www.rickymartinfoundation.com...h/default.aspx
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Old 06-13-2007, 11:30 AM
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[quote=petra;1530079]No offense taken. LOL--sounded strange how I wrote that.

I work for Save the Children. Have worked for years in Eastern Europe with sex-trade division. Will leave it at that, if that is okay.

Am now working in a slightly different specialty in a different location.

DH also involved through doc without borders.[/quote


Thank you for not being offended and thanks for your background. Not sure how to pm anyone, but I'm going to try to send you one. Thanks again!
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Old 06-13-2007, 11:31 AM
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[quote=s_finch;1530076]One more question, and this one is for everyone. IF it is understood that Europe has pedo-rings, then why do so many in the USA refuse to believe there are pedo-rings operating here? No one doubts there are prostitution rings in most nations, no one doubts there are mob families in most nations---what is really the difference between those and pedo-rings? They all provide (sickening as it is) a service in return for financial gain.

I dunno.. I believe pedo-rings are as rampant in Europe as they are in the US.
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Old 06-13-2007, 11:33 AM
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One more question, and this one is for everyone. IF it is understood that Europe has pedo-rings, then why do so many in the USA refuse to believe there are pedo-rings operating here? No one doubts there are prostitution rings in most nations, no one doubts there are mob families in most nations---what is really the difference between those and pedo-rings? They all provide (sickening as it is) a service in return for financial gain.

OK, back to Maddie. My prayers for her family and for her.
Good question s_finch. I guess no country wants to admit that there are such horrendoues things going on in their own backyard.

And all this internet child porn-pedo ring busts happening worldwide-USA included.
Someone is getting pics and profit from somewhere. You are so right.

Comes down to the amount of press attention this serious problem gets. IMO
We are now experiencing our first big case in Norway.....has been going on for more than 10-20 yrs. and it is just slowly coming out in the press. People just simply do not want to believe it happened. Having a hard time getting victims to come forth to prosecute the scum.
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Old 06-13-2007, 11:38 AM
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Good question s_finch. I guess no country wants to admit that there are such horrendoues things going on in their own backyard.

And all this internet child porn-pedo ring busts happening worldwide-USA included.
Someone is getting pics and profit from somewhere. You are so right.

Comes down to the amount of press attention this serious problem gets. IMO
We are now experiencing our first big case in Norway.....has been going on for more than 10-20 yrs. and it is just slowly coming out in the press. People just simply do not want to believe it happened. Having a hard time getting victims to come forth to prosecute the scum.

Norway??? You're kidding! (My grandmother was 100% Norweigian--seems like such a peaceful, idyllic country)
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Old 06-13-2007, 11:43 AM
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you know I was just thinking.. there was an article on Sky last week (can't find it now) where they interviewed a crime expert and he said something to the effect most likely Madeleine was taken by a pedo and after used would most likely be dumped very near where she was taken. I pray this guy's scenerio is not coming true!
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Old 06-13-2007, 11:43 AM
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Petra, have you heard much about the Ricky Martin Foundation? Do they have a good reputation in your work community?

http://www.rickymartinfoundation.com...h/default.aspx
Yes, Ricky and his foundation have a very good rep. They are a recently started group, IIRC. And I believe work solely out of Puerto Rico-unless they have expanded. They do good work.

It is great to see Ricky Martin do something so worthwhile with his fame--such a good and decent man. I believe he no longer has the time or desire to do public performances and donates all of his private gig money to his foundation. (Besides being so talented and good looking! )

Kudos to Ricky, indeed.
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Old 06-13-2007, 11:52 AM
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Thanks Petra. We know a lot of Ricky fans.


This latest development is getting a ton of press, like we haven't had in a few weeks. A few more details here:

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/eu...issing.mccann/
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Old 06-13-2007, 11:56 AM
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you know I was just thinking.. there was an article on Sky last week (can't find it now) where they interviewed a crime expert and he said something to the effect most likely Madeleine was taken by a pedo and after used would most likely be dumped very near where she was taken. I pray this guy's scenerio is not coming true!
Here are some possible links-


http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/vi...-1269761,.html

http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/fu...runt_p8390.flv
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Old 06-13-2007, 11:58 AM
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oh Carpediem.. the title on that article is awful! It reads like they have already found her! I read it and my heart lept!
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Old 06-13-2007, 12:04 PM
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Thanks Petra. We know a lot of Ricky fans.


This latest development is getting a ton of press, like we haven't had in a few weeks. A few more details here:

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/eu...issing.mccann/
Oh yes, I am one of those Ricky fans too. Great man doing really great things for kids.


from article you posted---SNIPPET

A Dutch police spokesman said: "On Monday De Telegraaf received a letter from an anonymous sender which contained information about where Madeleine McCann may be.
"The letter included a map of the area where the sender claims she is. The newspaper handed the letter over to the police on Tuesday and immediate forensic tests were carried out.
"Today (Wednesday) the police sent the letter and the forensic report over to the Portuguese Police for immediate investigation. The sender is unknown and there has not been any further correspondence from the sender with the newspaper or the police. We take this case very seriously.''
According to De Telegraaf, the letter said Madeleine was buried "north of the road under branches and rocks, around six to seven meters off the road" in a barren and deserted landscape.
A map came with the letter, with crosses marked on it. ........SNIP

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The powers that be are taking this seriously enough to investigate for almost two days before letting PT LE proceed. Interesting. I wonder if the PT police are allowing other law enforcement to help with the search.
That would be very wise...imoo
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Old 06-13-2007, 12:48 PM
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Strange, if she's there, what's taking so long in any news coming out?

I just went to the official Maddie site to see if there is any news there, that quote they have used since early on has new meaning today, "Madeleine's Fund : Leaving No Stone Unturned".
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Old 06-13-2007, 01:19 PM
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Strange, if she's there, what's taking so long in any news coming out?

I just went to the official Maddie site to see if there is any news there, that quote they have used since early on has new meaning today, "Madeleine's Fund : Leaving No Stone Unturned".
Erieee about the quote.

Don't forget about the PT style of criminal investigation. No public news about ongoing investigations. Hope they are keeeping others informed like interpol, the yard and British police--who will hopefully still be in close contact with the parents. What a living nightmare for them!

The story of the letter and today's search even made the front page of the aftenposten--norge's major paper. They haven't carried any news on this since a blurb right after the abduction.

Of course, the unfolding large child abuse story here is already off the front pages-and I couldn't find it at all after just 2 days

Praying for Madeleine and family.
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Old 06-13-2007, 01:36 PM
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I forgot about those Psychics. Could be. I feel though that if they are actually over there pocking around in rocks then there has to be some valid credence to the tip.
Yup CD and Jdee....letter from Dutch psychic.....PT not taking seriously

.....from updated skynews link.........snippet



Local Translator Gaynor Jesus told Sky News: "For the moment Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa has told me there will be no police activity as the area pinpointed is not specific enough to justify this.
"Apparently the letter came from a medium who pinpointed the location of two murdered Belgian girls - I think this is the reason for such credibility.
"But in Portugal mediums' reports are filed away unless they have something specific police can go on - they have received hundreds reports.
"They are treating this report with extreme caution."
Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa added: "We are checking the information like we check everything in this case for importance."
Meanwhile, Madeleine's family announced that hundreds of yellow ribbons, cuddly toys and messages of support left at a memorial for Madeleine McCann are to be cleared away.
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Old 06-13-2007, 01:48 PM
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Too bad Texas Equisearch can't go over there.
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Old 06-13-2007, 02:19 PM
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This latest news doesn't good.
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Old 06-13-2007, 03:12 PM
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This link says they sealed off the area, and nothing else.

http://www.thisisthenortheast.co.uk/...ne_tip_off.php
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Old 06-13-2007, 03:25 PM
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My Heart!

This lastest news has had my heart in my throat a couple of times.

I would like to say thank you to everyone who responded to my post about the word "grief", especially to the one that explained that the word may be used differently in Britian than it is in the states. Made me feel better overall.

Now - I was surprised when I read all the articles and the Portugese police still had not started a ground search, and now they are not going too!!!! I'm very glad I do not live there.

Can the parents organize their own search? They don't need police permission, do they? If it was me, I would already be out there. I would never have waited to see where the letter came from. It seems to me, this is one of those things you can act on immediately, especially after weeks with no new leads.

Also, I am amazed about the lack of police interaction with the woman from Morraco. What the heck is that? No one has interviewed her to this day. She finally sent in some written statement

Either the police, including Interpol, know something about this woman or they are being completely irresponsible. The whole Morraco thing has me extremely puzzled.

Time for a ground search! If I could get there, I would do it myself! I'm hoping the parents have enough family and friends still in Portugal with them, to go take a look.

Prayers for Maddie, may she come home soon!

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Old 06-13-2007, 03:29 PM
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This link says they sealed off the area, and nothing else.

http://www.thisisthenortheast.co.uk/...ne_tip_off.php
Well - at least they are doing something! I'm hoping its because the parents are putting up a hugh fuss over the PP's lack of follow through!

I guess this means the parents wouldn't be able to conduct their own search though, so the PP better do it or I am writing to their ministry for tourism and letting them know that I will never step foot in or spend a dime in their country and I am warning everyone I know about their "police force."
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Old 06-13-2007, 03:36 PM
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Salem--this news has me jumpy too. I hope the family gets answers soon. But my wish is for Madeleine to come home safe. I am sick at the thought
of the latest developments.

PT police and their bylaws are truely unique. imo

I sure hope they are inviting others to participate in the search, but I fear not. It has to be so frustrating for the family and other LE.
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Old 06-13-2007, 03:37 PM
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Well - at least they are doing something! I'm hoping its because the parents are putting up a hugh fuss over the PP's lack of follow through!

I guess this means the parents wouldn't be able to conduct their own search though, so the PP better do it or I am writing to their ministry for tourism and letting them know that I will never step foot in or spend a dime in their country and I am warning everyone I know about their "police force."
The same chief in charge of Maddie's case was just charged with beating the mother of another missing child. The Mother is in jail but the child has yet to be found:

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman...72613983.shtml
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Old 06-13-2007, 03:40 PM
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1913175.ece

This is bizarre!
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