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Old 07-23-2007, 09:13 PM
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I also hate to think it's the husband but I noticed a few things, too. Not only body size similar to the composite description. Am I hallucinating or did anyone else see the camera zoom in on his forearm at one of the press conferences, and it looked like he has big tattooed letters on his forearm? Like a gang member? Hmmmm.

The more he says, the more I wonder about him. Why is he so adamant that the killing wasn't random, but that the murderer "had a reason for being there"?

In a picture of Tim with Jenna and their kids, he looks VERY stressed or unhappy--something wrong there. It doesn't make him a killer, but ya gotta wonder.

You are right, the stab wounds could indicate if the assailant was known to her and thus had easier access to her (that sounds so awful, sorry). It occurred to me that the murderer might have been hired (although with their money situation that might have been impossible). The murderer might have been the person to provide the "composite" to the police, and invented a composite which looks like a blend of Jenna and Tim out of his imagination or subconscious. I do wonder where the composite came from.
Interesting you should say that, both my husband and myself think that composite looks exactly like Jenna. In the autopsy report her hair was even described as being tied back at the nape of her neck. I think something weird is going on with this eyewitness and composite sketch. It's just too much of a weird coincidence.
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Old 07-24-2007, 11:28 AM
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Anybody seen this yet? (or maybe I'm just way behind )
http://justice4jenna.weebly.com/

The photos are a bit heartbreaking to look at now. Lots of her wedding.
i hadn't seen this slideshow, so thanks for posting it....yes, it's heartbreaking

oh, & thanks for posting the autopsy.....soooooo sad for this beautiful young woman, her children & entire family....
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Old 07-24-2007, 11:43 AM
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The slideshow is heartbreaking

Were there any life insurance policies?
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Old 07-26-2007, 01:24 AM
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This is just such a tragedy.

At the time that the husband was explaining how much his wife "loved" her job "so much", my first thought was ????at 8 months pregnant????? I personally have never met anybody who enjoyed physical labor at 8 months pregnant & found that statement VERY ODD.

First thought subsequent, hope LE seriously searches any camera tapes of all businesses in that town in those early morning hours for other auto's.
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Old 07-26-2007, 07:15 AM
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This is just such a tragedy.

At the time that the husband was explaining how much his wife "loved" her job "so much", my first thought was ????at 8 months pregnant????? I personally have never met anybody who enjoyed physical labor at 8 months pregnant & found that statement VERY ODD.

First thought subsequent, hope LE seriously searches any camera tapes of all businesses in that town in those early morning hours for other auto's.
I wonder what kind of pregnancies she had? My own personal experience with pregnancy is that I have never felt healthier in my life! I had 4 boys in 5 years and another boy 4 years later, and those months of pregnancy stand out in my memory as such wonderful times. I felt energetic, powerful, sort of "in tune with God" whatever that means! I actually felt BETTER pregnant than not!

This girl reminds me of myself in some ways, the little ones so close together I guess. Maybe I'm just putting her in my shoes, but I can totally understand her love of her job. Heck, just going to the grocery store by myself was a big deal, I used to think it was worthy of makeup and high heels!

Delivering the paper was a job she had before her pregnancy, and most people work up until just before the birth of their children and then return six weeks later, so even if her love for her job may have been a little hard to hold onto in her eighth month, I can see her looking beyond this pregnancy and wanting to keep the job.

Some interesting points some of you have brought up, particularly the POI being of similar size to the husband.
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Old 07-26-2007, 09:20 AM
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Some people LOVE being pregnant and this was her 3rd. Her entire family reports that she loved doing it and was happy. It was her "alone time" - before her husband went to work - she probably napped with her two little ones during the day. They are Mormon, just not real "strict" Mormons based on her attire. They often marry young and have large families and in that faith, three at her age would not be unusual at all.

I do not feel the composite looks like her husband at all - the hair is totally wrong his is VERY VERY SHORT - the description says long (to middle of shoulder blades) straight and black and the very pronounced abdominal muscles don't LOOK like they'd be on her husband. Her husband seems to be more like 5'9-ish standing next to her. Also supposed to be Hispanic? Not wearing a belt? This person had on a ripped off t-shirt? How else would someone see the muscles close enough to describe them and know the pants were baggy and no belt? No facial hair? Doesn't husband have facial hair? Anyone know how long Jenna's hair was when she died? The newer pics it looks to be shorter than the middle of shoulder blades. And yes, the composite looks like a WOMAN to me - very peculiar - so feminine in the eyebrows and facial structure. They say the description is from a witness but it is SO specific and detailed - it was dark - who could have seen and recalled that much detail? Maybe the COMPOSITE is partly from a video? The 911 caller was reportedly Hispanic (spoke Spanish) also?

The husband was probably at home with the children at 3AM when she was killed. Did he run out on the kids, locate her on her route, strangle her, cut her neck, drive home, clean up himself and his car and get back into bed? FranklyI would wonder a LOT more if he DID have an alibi - he SHOULDN'T have one - it would be perfectly normal for him to be home asleep. They also found "a bloody knife", did it have fingerprints, not his? LE is keeping so much confidential it's hard to put much together. Her husband and her Father worked at the same place - her Father would surely have known if he was acting weird? They lived with her Father and wife until just a few weeks before she was killed when they got a 2 bed apt they were stretching to pay for, but they needed it with another baby on the way. Her brother found her the Newspaper job - she was helping pay the bills for the apt and saving for the baby. Probably no life insurance on her at all. The husband DID call 911 when she didn't get home at the usual time and when the police showed up he was leaving to go out to look for her.

I think it may have started out as a sexual assault until he realized she was pregnant. I doubt there was time for any staging to just make it look that way - her car was in view and looked suspicious. I think he did it and ran/drove away ASAP - bloody too. They haven't said if there was a rape or DNA. If there was that may exclude the husband. Her family seems certain he is innocent. My gut says he isn't involved. No warnings, family right there, her brother and her Dad had been seeing him daily and her almost daily. Everyone reports them happy, said she LIKED her job, wasn't afraid, he wasn't forcing her to work, they/he/she were happy and excited about Ethen. Money was tight but they were making it.

LE is holding too much infor for anyone to really help - they must have a reason - perhaps suspect is an illegal? Perhaps A WITNESS is an illegal? If they had ANY solid evidence it was the husband he'd be in jail. NC has some really funny "investigations" though - this is what the 3rd or 4th pregnant woman in recent months and even MORE in last 18 mos or so. Wasn't there another Mormon pregnant woman killed in the last year or two and still unsolved?

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Old 07-26-2007, 09:27 AM
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I don't think the 911 caller was spanish - I remember hearing the tape .. he sounded VERY credible - also referred to the owner of her car as a "he" .. I felt he would see the car on his rounds - but not HER .. He assumed that the carrier was a male - not a female. I also thought I heard where they were able to follow up with the 911 caller - he provided his home phone number I believe on the call. He called it in not as he was seeing it - but a bit later .. as though seeing the car nagged at him to the point he felt he should call it in.
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Old 07-26-2007, 12:59 PM
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This is just such a tragedy.

At the time that the husband was explaining how much his wife "loved" her job "so much", my first thought was ????at 8 months pregnant????? I personally have never met anybody who enjoyed physical labor at 8 months pregnant & found that statement VERY ODD.

First thought subsequent, hope LE seriously searches any camera tapes of all businesses in that town in those early morning hours for other auto's.
Hee hee, those were my thoughts too. I had an office job the first time I was pregnant and I could barely carry around my papers etc at 8 mos! There are others here that think otherwise though, and totally enjoyed their "me" time while driving around/working at night.

Not me. At 8 mos I wanted to be sitting down having my back and feet rubbed.

The husband does appear to be eager and forthright, so I have him lower down on the POI list than say, someone like Jason Young (Michelle Young case). I just hope he's been checked out thoroughly. And I really hope they find the murderer in this case SOON. How scary to have someone like that running around free.
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Old 07-27-2007, 10:36 AM
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The knife that was found was found several days after the murder, and it was about a quarter mile from where the murder allegedly took place. It was bloody and was found by a man who said he got scared, and threw it over the fence. Then he called law enforcement later.

I live in Raleigh, and part of the NCSU campus backs right up to where this happened. I've driven by it several times, and I can't understand why the police didn't search the area where the knife was found. There were only two entrances to the gas station, both off of one street. There were woods surrounding the place on one side and in the back, and a business fenced off on the other side. When I drove by the day it happened, LE had roped off the gas station and seemed to be thinking about searching the woods. I guess it never happened. I should have gone through them that week, as now any evidence is probably gone.

But assuming the path that the murderer took was in the direction of where the knife was found, he/she didn't have many options of where to go. All of the streets until about a mile later are dead end streets. About a mile past the gas station is a light - on one side there is a public park and the others lead to streets that go downtown. I don't remember LE branching out to look around these places.

There are a lot of possibilities here. There are many homeless people in Raleigh - I go to NCSU and I see them on the streets stopping people for money and at a few lights with signs all the time. There's a shelter downtown, called the Wilmington St. Shelter, it's a man's homeless shelter and every morning all the inhabitants are kicked out. But there's also a rise in gangs in Raleigh, so I wouldn't rule that out.

As for the husband, I highly doubt he's involved. From what I've heard/seen of him, he was a loving husband and is a loving father.
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Old 08-16-2007, 12:17 PM
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Celebration Of Jenna's Life - St George, Utah - August 18, 2007

http://justice4jenna.weebly.com/cele...nnas-life.html
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Old 08-16-2007, 03:42 PM
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OMG that is heartbreaking. Thanks for the link SewingDeb.
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Old 10-20-2007, 05:34 PM
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I had Greta's On The Record on last week and heard a snippet about Jenna's emails being looked at, and Greta was implying this was "new" information. Of course, I missed that segment, so I wondered if anyone else caught it?

Off to search more for it now...
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Old 10-20-2007, 07:36 PM
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I had Greta's On The Record on last week and heard a snippet about Jenna's emails being looked at, and Greta was implying this was "new" information. Of course, I missed that segment, so I wondered if anyone else caught it?

Off to search more for it now...
Oh Taximom! I don't watch Greta anymore so I hadn't heard this but if you find anything else out please keep us updated. This case haunts me, I think of it often. Thanks!
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Old 10-20-2007, 09:16 PM
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Rape or an attempt to take the baby had to be the motive and clearly she fought-unless I missed something in the coroners report/autopsy report she was found without a shirt, right? She was wearing a black bra, brown plaid pants, white underwear both pulled down etc she had blood under her nails and a hair in one fist and one flip flop on. She had a head wound like her head had been banged against something hard and bruises on her knees, elbows, shins and chest like she was resisting being pushed down. She also had an injury that sounded like scratches. Her face was also abraded. Wonder if the attacker was a woman...
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Old 10-21-2007, 09:14 AM
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I had Greta's On The Record on last week and heard a snippet about Jenna's emails being looked at, and Greta was implying this was "new" information. Of course, I missed that segment, so I wondered if anyone else caught it?

Off to search more for it now...
I had the program on and then someone just had to call on the phone during that segment so I'm not 100% on what was said. However, from the tidbits I was catching from the next room, it sounded as if some search warrants were just released or discovered in which the computer information was mentioned as having been searched. And someone asked near the conclusion of the segment something like "so it's just part of the standard procedure that they take the computers?" to which someone else answered yes and then elaborated.

Sorry I don't know for sure but it sounded to me like the usual "new information" that Greta often uses to pull us through the commercial break, information that turns out to be nothing significant, (although I do love her show).
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Old 10-21-2007, 09:20 AM
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Thanks, JerseyGirl. Yes, Greta teases a lot, and we here at WS's are usually a few days ahead of her (and others) program with information like that. I don't remember all the details in this case, but I would assume that her pc etc would have been taken in the very beginning of this case. I hope this was done back then!!

I took another look at that POI sketch and my first thought was that it looked like a woman.
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Old 10-21-2007, 09:22 AM
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Old 10-21-2007, 12:49 PM
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Interesting you should say that, both my husband and myself think that composite looks exactly like Jenna. In the autopsy report her hair was even described as being tied back at the nape of her neck. I think something weird is going on with this eyewitness and composite sketch. It's just too much of a weird coincidence.
Exactly. It's weird. This composite being so odd-looking--it reminds me of the "composite" that Susan Smith came up with. It was contrived, phony, and you could see that in the sketch! Susan Smith, if you aren't familiar with that case, is the woman who put her two kids into the car and let it drive into the lake, then said that a "black male" had abducted them. The composite looked like she had invented this person in her brain, which of course was what she had done.
I feel the same way about the composite sketch in this case and wonder who provided the description to the police. They haven't said, as far as I know, which makes me wonder why.
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Old 10-21-2007, 08:29 PM
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I have followed this case somewhat...does anyone find the police composite a bit strange?
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Old 10-21-2007, 08:47 PM
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Does anyone know enough about this case to know why the individual in the composite is supposedly a man? I think "he" looks like a woman, and some what like the victim as well, which could really mean the witness saw them both I suppose. I wonder if the witness is someone from the halfway house like the person who found the knife, and really, really doesn't want to be involved in this.
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Old 10-21-2007, 09:56 PM
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Does anyone know enough about this case to know why the individual in the composite is supposedly a man? I think "he" looks like a woman, and some what like the victim as well, which could really mean the witness saw them both I suppose. I wonder if the witness is someone from the halfway house like the person who found the knife, and really, really doesn't want to be involved in this.
That's exactly what I thought too, that the POI looked like a woman AND it looked like Jenna.

Seems like we can't all be wrong (columbo, arielilane etc!).
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Old 10-21-2007, 11:42 PM
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That's exactly what I thought too. The composite doesn't look like a male, imo and it definitely looks a little like Jenna.

How hinkey is that? Who gave the cops the composite information?
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Old 10-23-2007, 09:40 AM
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The more I think about this, the more I think this might have been either a baby snatching gone wrong or something meant to look that way. Either way, the perp looks to me like a woman, right down to the fingernail scratches (presumably) on Jenna's arm during the struggle prior to her being stabbed in the neck. Sure would like some more info on the crime scene like where her shirt was, was she found on her back etc...and was the perp scared away?
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Old 10-23-2007, 03:40 PM
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Whoever gave the police the description for the composite said that it was a man, but the picture speaks for itself: it looks like it could be a woman. Which is why I'm thinking it's important WHO said they saw this person. The police either aren't revealing that because the person wants to remain anonymous out of fear of reprisal, or the person is a suspect and the police are keeping that quiet???? Maybe I missed something, but I did read a lot about this case and don't remember the police saying who helped them draw the composite. To me, it looked like the kind of picture that results from someone inventing a person in their mind and trying to describe them.

Did anyone else think it was odd that her father was the one to speak at the early press conferences? I felt that her husband should have spoken, but the father seemed to take over. I didn't see the interview with the husband that someone mentioned on this board. Anyway, it's just another impression I got that is making me suspect the husband.
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And of course, I could be wrong...it just seems that it's always the husband or SO when a pregnant woman is murdered. I try not to let that fact influence my thinking, but almost can't help it.
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