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Old 07-23-2007, 10:28 PM
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Angry 11 Year Old Gives STD To Two Preschool Girls

A health matter not a criminal one? Unbelievable. And who did this 11 year old get the STD from?

An 11-year-old boy forced two preschool-aged girls to have sex with him, infected them with sexually transmitted diseases, but will not be prosecuted by Western Australian authorities, according to a report on News.com.au.
Police Sunday confirmed that criminal charges would not be brought against the boy from Balgo, a troubled indigenous community in the northeastern reaches of the Great Sandy Desert about 62 miles from the Northern Territory border. The boy is above the age of criminal responsibility under state law.
Although the incident is part of a continuing investigation, senior police have decided to treat the issue as a health matter, not a criminal one.
more @ link http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,290328,00.html
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Old 07-23-2007, 10:36 PM
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A health matter not a criminal one? Unbelievable. And who did this 11 year old get the STD from?

An 11-year-old boy forced two preschool-aged girls to have sex with him, infected them with sexually transmitted diseases, but will not be prosecuted by Western Australian authorities, according to a report on News.com.au.
Police Sunday confirmed that criminal charges would not be brought against the boy from Balgo, a troubled indigenous community in the northeastern reaches of the Great Sandy Desert about 62 miles from the Northern Territory border. The boy is above the age of criminal responsibility under state law.
Although the incident is part of a continuing investigation, senior police have decided to treat the issue as a health matter, not a criminal one.
more @ link http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,290328,00.html
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:10 PM
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HUH????!!!!!!!!!
He's only ELEVEN!!!!
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:10 PM
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So how long has HE had these STD'S and who gave them to him? This is a sick, sick world.

This is not just a health matter!!!
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:19 PM
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If this is not a criminal matter I don't know what is.
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:38 PM
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I admit to being stunned that he won't face any consequences. But if they won't charge this boy for sexual assault, they need to find out how he got an STD in the first place and work backwards.
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Old 07-24-2007, 01:02 AM
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This took place in an Aboriginal community.....its not the only horror story to have taken place in recent years....its a very touchy topic down here at the moment......our PM wants to send the army in to try and sort out and bring some order to these areas .....this has put the Aboriginal community into an uproar as they like to look to their Elders as being the law......if the children are removed the Aboriginals are going to say that the whites are creating another stolen generation.
This story runs too deep and Im not gifted enough to explain the hows and whys.
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Old 07-24-2007, 01:07 AM
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Ah, Dingo. Thanks for the info. That explains in part this:
against the boy from Balgo, a troubled indigenous community in the northeastern reaches of the Great Sandy Desert
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Old 07-24-2007, 01:28 AM
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Hi Taximom....this is just the latest in a long list of truly horrifing and sickening stories that have emerged in the last few months....alcohol and drugs are a major problem in these areas...and if you listen to news reports Aboriginals are still blaming the white man for a lot of their problems .
Some links to other stories.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...97-421,00.html.
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/s...02-910,00.html
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:08 AM
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I read an article about this. This is very close to how the Native People in some areas of Canada are treated.

Their communities are extremely troubled. With the children being the victims.

This child is a victim of a sexual assault, he may have been acting out what was done to him. How about putting the person who `has sex`with this child without a condom and gave him STD in jail. The boy needs help and so does the community. If I recall correctly a proposal is being made, or an idea or something that booze be banned from the area.
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Old 07-24-2007, 01:16 PM
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It sounds like the aboriginal community is just as corrupt as some of the native american tribunals. Lots of kids fall through the cracks thanks to the Indian Child Welfare Act. There is an absolutely absurd case going on in a small indian tribe in OR regarding a half indian/half white child that was conceived by an Indian man through a rape, the Indian judge and the father, and grandfather (all indian) are in jail, yet the ICWA says the tribe has jurisdiction and has the right to grant physical custody to the Indian grandfather, even though the child lives with Mom. There are no attorney's in the area that can help this mother since its in an isolated area and the very few attorney's familiar with tribal law have been run out of the area by crime and vandalism.

Not to change the subject but these minority communities that fall under a whole different jurisdiction, often get left in the dark and the kids lose in the end.
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Old 07-24-2007, 05:37 PM
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I read an article about this. This is very close to how the Native People in some areas of Canada are treated.

Their communities are extremely troubled. With the children being the victims.

This child is a victim of a sexual assault, he may have been acting out what was done to him. How about putting the person who `has sex`with this child without a condom and gave him STD in jail. The boy needs help and so does the community. If I recall correctly a proposal is being made, or an idea or something that booze be banned from the area.
Hi Cyberlaw..most Aboriginal communities are dry areas but a town selling booze is usually not far away.
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Old 07-24-2007, 05:39 PM
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If this is not a criminal matter I don't know what is.

The criminal is whomever exposed the 11 YO to sex at that age and an STD.

NORMAL 11 YO's do not go out and have sex with ANYONE.
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Old 07-24-2007, 06:24 PM
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Sadly this isnt a "normal" situation.
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:17 PM
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Hey Dingo, I know Australia is a very dry country in the outback((pun intended)

I know there is a high suicide and attempted suicide rate in this town according to a Parish Priest.

I know they have a high rate of gas(petrol) sniffing and kids as young as 12 start sniffing and feel hopeless in this community and often attempt or do kill themselves. They have no hope, they have nothing to do, they have not hope for a future. So they go out and play with sniffing gas. Just like the Native communities in Canada.

The parents should be home taking care of kids, supervising them, but instead are in Halls Creek drinking.

It is a very isolated community, a long drive from Alice Springs. But known for great artwork. All of these facts mirror some isolated Native communities in Canada. A whole groups of kids were air lifted from a reservation because that was the only way to save their lives.

I mean how can anyone live in this environment(Dingo can fill in more details, as I barely touched the surface) and be normal. Some houses have 12 people living in them due to housing shortage. Kids abuse kids. Parents abuse and neglect kids. Sexual abuse is not uncommon. Health problems are the norm. This child was doomed from the start, and I wonder why this particular story made the news. Probably to bring attention again to the problems of this community and the fact that this child has an STD at 11 and acted out the abuse that he suffered.
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:54 PM
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I wrote a big long post back to you Cyber and lost it .
My opinion on the Aboriginal communities is that they have got to want to help themselves....the taxpayers here provide adbundant funds for the wellbeing and education of our indiginious people but a lot of it is squandered and put into the wrong hands....alcohol and drugs are ruining their communities and its time something was done and if that involves bringing the army in then so be it..too many children have been raped and murdered already.
Alot of the Aboriginals still blame the whiteman for all their problems......they forget that the whiteman was first brought here as convicts and didnt have any choice either..its time to get over it.
Ive tried very hard to not sound predjudice and I am not as my great great grandmother was half Aboriginal.
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Old 07-24-2007, 10:09 PM
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I wrote a big long post back to you Cyber and lost it .
My opinion on the Aboriginal communities is that they have got to want to help themselves....the taxpayers here provide adbundant funds for the wellbeing and education of our indiginious people but a lot of it is squandered and put into the wrong hands....alcohol and drugs are ruining their communities and its time something was done and if that involves bringing the army in then so be it..too many children have been raped and murdered already.
Alot of the Aboriginals still blame the whiteman for all their problems......they forget that the whiteman was first brought here as convicts and didnt have any choice either..its time to get over it.
Ive tried very hard to not sound predjudice and I am not as my great great grandmother was half Aboriginal.
I dont think you are being predjudice Dingo, everything you have said is the truth, there are so many benefits offered to the aboriginals for them to have better lives, but they abuse it as well as abusing their families. The government is stepping in now, it should have been done a long time ago, hopefully this will help the aboriginal communities improve their lives.
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Old 07-25-2007, 03:16 AM
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What kind of STD are we talking about here? And sex with 6 year olds? Real actual full fledged SEX? Or are we talking oral sex? Oh God I look at my 7 year old and to me thats still just a baby I can't imagine this kind of crap.
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Old 07-25-2007, 08:37 AM
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But when you have wide spread systemic racism and discrimination about a whole race of people then those people are doomed to life of never rising above the wide spread belief about them.

You may have a Masters Degree and be an aboriginal. Then a white person has a Masters Degree and be white. Who do you think will get the job when the person interviewing in white.

Part of the problem with Native Communities is the environment and lack of their previous way of life, their true heritage and identity.

Native are shipped off to remote reservations, isolated communities and then told to "be natives". But how can they......their way of life is in the past, in their communities, there are no factories, Universities, full funding for schools, I mean they literally have almost nothing and then you tell them to "smile" and be happy the white people have been good to you by allowing you to live in a remote community without even the basic needs meet. So you are at the mercy of the white men you may throw you a bone here and there. But with no jobs on the community, how do you support your family, with no jobs how do you pay for improvements to housing, transportation and all of the basics a person needs for a good quality of life.

What hope do you have off reservation. Where do you go. What opportunities await you. Especially children, when they see the conditions of their communities, the people affected, the substance abuse, the abuse, do you really think that this does not lead to a feeling of being hopeless, then you self medicate to ease the pain of your current life and the prospect of a dim future life.

I don't know what the answer is. I really don't but when you take away an identity of an entire culture, their means of self support, and throw in poverty and isolation and lack of jobs and education and employment what do you have. Troubled communities.

I don't know how the Aboriginals and Native Communities can help themselves. In some Native communities in Canada they are well adjusted and well off. But this is because they have assets that the white men want and are willing to pay a good price for and are close to major cities. The troubled communities are the ones that are isolated, with little or no assets.
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Old 07-25-2007, 09:11 AM
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But when you have wide spread systemic racism and discrimination about a whole race of people then those people are doomed to life of never rising above the wide spread belief about them.

You may have a Masters Degree and be an aboriginal. Then a white person has a Masters Degree and be white. Who do you think will get the job when the person interviewing in white.

Part of the problem with Native Communities is the environment and lack of their previous way of life, their true heritage and identity.

Native are shipped off to remote reservations, isolated communities and then told to "be natives". But how can they......their way of life is in the past, in their communities, there are no factories, Universities, full funding for schools, I mean they literally have almost nothing and then you tell them to "smile" and be happy the white people have been good to you by allowing you to live in a remote community without even the basic needs meet. So you are at the mercy of the white men you may throw you a bone here and there. But with no jobs on the community, how do you support your family, with no jobs how do you pay for improvements to housing, transportation and all of the basics a person needs for a good quality of life.

What hope do you have off reservation. Where do you go. What opportunities await you. Especially children, when they see the conditions of their communities, the people affected, the substance abuse, the abuse, do you really think that this does not lead to a feeling of being hopeless, then you self medicate to ease the pain of your current life and the prospect of a dim future life.

I don't know what the answer is. I really don't but when you take away an identity of an entire culture, their means of self support, and throw in poverty and isolation and lack of jobs and education and employment what do you have. Troubled communities.

I don't know how the Aboriginals and Native Communities can help themselves. In some Native communities in Canada they are well adjusted and well off. But this is because they have assets that the white men want and are willing to pay a good price for and are close to major cities. The troubled communities are the ones that are isolated, with little or no assets.
So true, so true. I totally agree, the white men came and took their land and pushed them on to reservations, yes some get paid from casinos and such but is this a real life, getting paid for nothing, and spending it mostly on alcohol, it is a vicious cycle. They need to be educated and provided jobs not pushed into reservations.
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Old 07-25-2007, 10:50 AM
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A health matter not a criminal one? Unbelievable. And who did this 11 year old get the STD from?

An 11-year-old boy forced two preschool-aged girls to have sex with him, infected them with sexually transmitted diseases, but will not be prosecuted by Western Australian authorities, according to a report on News.com.au.
Police Sunday confirmed that criminal charges would not be brought against the boy from Balgo, a troubled indigenous community in the northeastern reaches of the Great Sandy Desert about 62 miles from the Northern Territory border. The boy is above the age of criminal responsibility under state law.
Although the incident is part of a continuing investigation, senior police have decided to treat the issue as a health matter, not a criminal one.
more @ link http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,290328,00.html
of course it is a criminal matter. who gave him the std? what contact occured between the child and the preschoolers? don't they have a juvi department?
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Old 07-25-2007, 11:18 AM
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It sounds like the aboriginal community is just as corrupt as some of the native american tribunals. Lots of kids fall through the cracks thanks to the Indian Child Welfare Act. There is an absolutely absurd case going on in a small indian tribe in OR regarding a half indian/half white child that was conceived by an Indian man through a rape, the Indian judge and the father, and grandfather (all indian) are in jail, yet the ICWA says the tribe has jurisdiction and has the right to grant physical custody to the Indian grandfather, even though the child lives with Mom. There are no attorney's in the area that can help this mother since its in an isolated area and the very few attorney's familiar with tribal law have been run out of the area by crime and vandalism.

Not to change the subject but these minority communities that fall under a whole different jurisdiction, often get left in the dark and the kids lose in the end.
NOCGIRL - this act was conceived the serve a distinct purpose. I have had personal experience with this court system.

I would say that almost any law can be made to be corrupt or can be twisted to be used in a corrupt way. I do not know the case you are talking about in the media, and haven't seen any coverage, so I know nothing about it besides what you have posted. Do you have links? Please do not say that because it is
related" to an ethnic group that an entire ethnic group is "corrupt." that is a racist statement. i don't feel that myself or my people are corrupt. Thank you.

Recognizing the special relationship between the United States and the Indian tribes and their members and the Federal responsibility to Indian people, the Congress finds—
(1) that clause 3, section 8, article I of the United States Constitution provides that “The Congress shall have Power * * * To regulate Commerce * * * with Indian tribes [1]” and, through this and other constitutional authority, Congress has plenary power over Indian affairs;
(2) that Congress, through statutes, treaties, and the general course of dealing with Indian tribes, has assumed the responsibility for the protection and preservation of Indian tribes and their resources;
(3) that there is no resource that is more vital to the continued existence and integrity of Indian tribes than their children and that the United States has a direct interest, as trustee, in protecting Indian children who are members of or are eligible for membership in an Indian tribe;
(4) that an alarmingly high percentage of Indian families are broken up by the removal, often unwarranted, of their children from them by nontribal public and private agencies and that an alarmingly high percentage of such children are placed in non-Indian foster and adoptive homes and institutions; and
(5) that the States, exercising their recognized jurisdiction over Indian child custody proceedings through administrative and judicial bodies, have often failed to recognize the essential tribal relations of Indian people and the cultural and social standards prevailing in Indian communities and families.

More at the link re: the laws on the act.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...1----000-.html

Basically, native children were being removed at a VERY high rate compared to the general population. Part of this could be culutural differences. For instance, my tribe is completely and totally "americanized". heck, my little one has blonde hair and blue eyes - and actually, due to her fathers heritage, she is actually more native than I am. However, there are some tribes who live on reservations and are still somewhat isolated. And they can be weary of outsiders. I do not think that this is the norm, but I am going to post it as an example. I used to be in Americorps. Domestic peace corps. When I was doing that, I worked with a girl who was doing her time on a reservation in, I believe, NM. She was my roommate when we had to go and do grant writing seminars, ect. If I remember correctly, she was basically staying in a building with a dirt floor. I don't remember if she had running water or not. But it had a dirt floor. If that was the cultural norm in that community - I don't know if it was or not... would someone have ran in there and scooped up those children? Heck, I'm native. I might have. But that is an example.

Also, when children are taken away.... there CAN be abuses, just like there are in the gen population... they were put in homes that didn't respect their cultures. That isn't right either.

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