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Old 09-12-2007, 04:29 PM
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I am watching the program now and I don't believe a word she is saying but that's JMO
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Old 09-12-2007, 04:30 PM
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I just can't bear to watch it. It would make me too mad and I have enough stress going on!
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Old 09-12-2007, 04:48 PM
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She is NOT an honest person. She is full of lies, lies & more lies. Ummm's & ahhh's, little details. This is what a LIAR does, doesn't have the details, lots of pauses trying to come up with something but unsure about tripping herself up.

She, I suspect, was the one trying to put the "baby to sleep" by suffocation & was STOPPED by Mathew. Now I understand why she murdered him. Didn't want anybody to know that she had attempted to murder her youngest child.

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Please dear Lord, do not allow these children to be returned to this abomination of humanity.
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Old 09-12-2007, 05:00 PM
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Oprah has never been very high on my list... and this proves why. She has a habit of perpetrating peoples lies as truth. I hope the viewership laughs their a**es off at Mary and condemns her for the murderer she is.
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Old 09-12-2007, 06:21 PM
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She is NOT an honest person. She is full of lies, lies & more lies. Ummm's & ahhh's, little details. This is what a LIAR does, doesn't have the details, lots of pauses trying to come up with something but unsure about tripping herself up.

She, I suspect, was the one trying to put the "baby to sleep" by suffocation & was STOPPED by Mathew. Now I understand why she murdered him. Didn't want anybody to know that she had attempted to murder her youngest child.

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Please dear Lord, do not allow these children to be returned to this abomination of humanity.
[b]I couldn't agree with you more! I watched the interview with Oprah and actually think Oprah was holding back some sneers and snickers as she was interviewing Mary..........am surprised Oprah didn't roll her eyes a time or two just listening to this pathetic woman try to make out that Matt was a kinky monster who would stoop to smothering a child! BS!

So Mary just wanted to talk, huh............yeah right!..She said she really didn't think the gun was loaded but why would a woman hold an empty gun on a man in his sleep to try and talk to him........oops!

The highlite of the interview for me was when Lisa Bloom spoke up and said that Mary should have supervised visitation with her children but NOT CUSTODY..................AMEN!
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Old 09-12-2007, 06:39 PM
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I am watching the program now and I don't believe a word she is saying but that's JMO
I didn't believe it either and my kids, who knew nothing of this case before hand, think she's full of it.
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Old 09-12-2007, 07:05 PM
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I don't know too much about this case, but saw her on Oprah today and it really hit home when Lisa Bloom said "This woman obviously has impulse issues" which is something to consider when trying to get her kids back. We all know how frustrating and stressful it is to take care of small children and with her now being a single mother, what happens if she "snaps" again? How do we know they are safe with a mother who can shoot a loaded gun at her sleeping husband? What if the kids get on her nerves and she loses control? How do we know this hasn't already happened?
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Old 09-12-2007, 07:06 PM
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Well I guess that I have to be the odd one here and say that I just dont know what to believe after watching her.
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Old 09-12-2007, 08:04 PM
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A woman who is really scared of her husband would not hold what she thought to be an empty gun on him. She would know he would yank that gun from her and beat the snot out of her. Nope, women who are actually as scared as she claimed to be would never do that.
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Old 09-12-2007, 08:11 PM
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<<<A woman who is really scared of her husband would not hold what she thought to be an empty gun on him. She would know he would yank that gun from her and beat the snot out of her. Nope, women who are actually as scared as she claimed to be would never do that.>>

You're right, BeeBee......We both heard her say she was amazed at it being loaded......or words to that effect........BS! How that jury believed her is beyond me!
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Old 09-12-2007, 08:20 PM
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there were financial irregularities with their bank account that were exposed the day before matt was killed. mary had been in charge of finances. matt died with a full bladder, so there is evidence that she shot him in the back after he had been asleep all night and had yet to urinate like he might do upon awakening. she fled with the girls to another state before she was apprehended by law enforcement. she made sure the phone was unplugged, never called for help and locked the door behind her.

whatever the circumstances, he was killed in cold blood. her walking free is a sad day for American Justice.
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Old 09-12-2007, 08:30 PM
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there were financial irregularities with their bank account that were exposed the day before matt was killed. mary had been in charge of finances. matt died with a full bladder, so there is evidence that she shot him in the back after he had been asleep all night and had yet to urinate like he might do upon awakening. she fled with the girls to another state before she was apprehended by law enforcement. she made sure the phone was unplugged, never called for help and locked the door behind her.

whatever the circumstances, he was killed in cold blood. her walking free is a sad day for American Justice.
Yes it sure is...........I forgot about his full bladder so maybe Mary didn't even get up at all (or wasn't kicked out of bed)to tend to the baby......I'd believe Mary got up to blow his brains out....
Wasn't it Lisa Bloom who said the motel in which Mary and the girls stayed also had the phone unplugged so the girls couldn't call their dad?

Sly like a fox isn't the witch Mary?
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Old 09-12-2007, 09:32 PM
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Yes it sure is...........I forgot about his full bladder so maybe Mary didn't even get up at all (or wasn't kicked out of bed)to tend to the baby......I'd believe Mary got up to blow his brains out....
Wasn't it Lisa Bloom who said the motel in which Mary and the girls stayed also had the phone unplugged so the girls couldn't call their dad?

Sly like a fox isn't the witch Mary?
So they couldn't dial 911, not call the dad.

I don't much like Oprah, but I've got to say I think she wanted to take a cattle prod to Mary. I also don't think she believed one word out of her mouth.
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Old 09-12-2007, 09:39 PM
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So they couldn't dial 911, not call the dad.

I don't much like Oprah, but I've got to say I think she wanted to take a cattle prod to Mary. I also don't think she believed one word out of her mouth.

Thge oldest knew he was "hurt" because she had seen Matt lying on the floor and Mary had told her Daddy was "hurt"...........so if you know kids one would probably whisper to the other and they'd be concerned about their Daddy.......that had to be a miserable car ride to that motel.........

cattle prod?..........even better!
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:22 PM
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I could only watch half the interview. She's a pathetic liar imo. She couldn't even come up with anything resembling abuse.
I just hope she doesn't get custody of her children. That is a very scary thought.
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Old 09-12-2007, 11:33 PM
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I could only watch half the interview. She's a pathetic liar imo. She couldn't even come up with anything resembling abuse.
I just hope she doesn't get custody of her children. That is a very scary thought.
Mary had difficulty making eye contact wth Oprah. She is clearly Emotionally Disturbed. She killed her husband. Were there bruises on her body when they found her, NO. Why did the jury feel sorry for her, I wonder. She should have been tried out of the county. If this had been a man, he would have gotten life.

She is not capable of taking care of 3 children. The children have been traumatized enough!!
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Old 09-13-2007, 12:08 AM
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Mary had difficulty making eye contact wth Oprah. She is clearly Emotionally Disturbed. She killed her husband. Were there bruises on her body when they found her, NO. Why did the jury feel sorry for her, I wonder. She should have been tried out of the county. If this had been a man, he would have gotten life.

She is not capable of taking care of 3 children. The children have been traumatized enough!!
I still find it hard to believe that she's out walking around never mind on Oprah! I agree - "She is not capable of taking care of 3 children." Hopefully the family court Judge will see that her having custody is not in the best interest of the children. She killed their father for goodness sakes!
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Old 09-13-2007, 01:03 AM
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I know I didn't buy a word of her story today. It makes me sick to see her on TV saying how much she "loves" Matthew. I think that Oprah was disgusted with her also. I really don't like Oprah, but I thought she did a fair job interviewing Mary Winkler.

I caught the part where Mary said she's apologized to Matthew's parents and that she misses them. Personally, I don't think she's ever given them a sincere apology, because I don't believe she's sorry that she killed Matthew.

I wonder if this interview can be used against her in the civil suit that Matthew's parents have filed?

I have to agree with Lisa Bloom, Mary does have poor impulse control. I don't think she should ever regain custody of those poor children. Highly supervised visitation should be all she is allowed! IMO, JMO, and all that jazz....
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Old 09-13-2007, 10:08 AM
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That woman is devoid of all emotion. And she's still acting like she's making it up as she goes along. She wiped the blood from his mouth out of instinct - she said she didn't know what else to do because she "didn't know how he was hurt". Duh - you shot him honey. It's really no different than Phil Spector. If it was an accident, then call 911. How this woman got away with cold blooded murder is something I'll never understand.
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Old 09-13-2007, 10:21 AM
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That woman is devoid of all emotion. And she's still acting like she's making it up as she goes along. She wiped the blood from his mouth out of instinct - she said she didn't know what else to do because she "didn't know how he was hurt". Duh - you shot him honey. It's really no different than Phil Spector. If it was an accident, then call 911. How this woman got away with cold blooded murder is something I'll never understand.
I agree. You could visibly see the wheels of her brain turning around trying to formulate responses to Oprah's questions. The truth doesn't take that long to come out. The answers should have flowed off her tongue like oil after this long.
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Old 09-13-2007, 11:24 AM
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I know I didn't buy a word of her story today. It makes me sick to see her on TV saying how much she "loves" Matthew. I think that Oprah was disgusted with her also. I really don't like Oprah, but I thought she did a fair job interviewing Mary Winkler.

I caught the part where Mary said she's apologized to Matthew's parents and that she misses them. Personally, I don't think she's ever given them a sincere apology, because I don't believe she's sorry that she killed Matthew.

I wonder if this interview can be used against her in the civil suit that Matthew's parents have filed?

I have to agree with Lisa Bloom, Mary does have poor impulse control. I don't think she should ever regain custody of those poor children. Highly supervised visitation should be all she is allowed! IMO, JMO, and all that jazz....
I was wondering the same thing too Tez.
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Old 09-13-2007, 11:28 AM
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This woman is either a manipulative liar or she has some type of mental defect, IMO. I yelled at the television several times, "Just spit it out already!" I got the impression that Oprah thought Mary's story was farfetched.

A few things that I want to know: (1) If it were an accident, why didn't she call 911? After all, Matthew bled to death. (2) Second, if Matthew was the mastermind of the check kiting scheme, why wasn't his name on any of the accounts? (3) Third, was it merely a coincidence that Matthew was murdered on the day that Mary was supposed to bring him in to the bank for a meeting about her illegal practices?
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Old 09-13-2007, 12:48 PM
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Thge oldest knew he was "hurt" because she had seen Matt lying on the floor and Mary had told her Daddy was "hurt"...........so if you know kids one would probably whisper to the other and they'd be concerned about their Daddy.......that had to be a miserable car ride to that motel.........

cattle prod?..........even better!
Mary also took the gun with her. For what purpose no one knows, but it would not have been in the best interests of the children to have it with. IMO I think she planned to use it again. For that reason alone I wouldn't give her custody of her children.
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Old 09-13-2007, 12:58 PM
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Mary also took the gun with her. For what purpose no one knows, but it would not have been in the best interests of the children to have it with. IMO I think she planned to use it again. For that reason alone I wouldn't give her custody of her children.
Good point,Fundiva!
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Old 09-14-2007, 08:25 PM
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I live in McMinnville, TN where Matthew and Mary lived for a short while. Matthew was my son's bible teacher at school. (He attends a private christian school). My son and all the boys that Matthew taught absolutely loved Matthew and they called him "Wink" or "Mr. Wink". He was so friendly and nice and the boys really admired him.

I think Mary got away with murder. He was shot in the back and she left him to bleed to death. I just can not get past those facts.
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