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Old 09-14-2007, 11:12 PM
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Mary also took the gun with her. For what purpose no one knows, but it would not have been in the best interests of the children to have it with. IMO I think she planned to use it again. For that reason alone I wouldn't give her custody of her children.
How true. Mary said Matthew was dead when she left. Remember in her interview she said a body changes color immediately after they die.

SO if she KNEW Matthew was dead then why oh why did she load up the shotgun AND shells along with her children?

She will never own up to anything much less this but imo it is obvious to me she had full intentions of using that gun again when she took it.

Also how strange. Here she had already brutally murdered one man but when questioned by LE she was still raging........this time about wanting to rip her father's head off.

This woman is scary. I see a psychopath that got lucky by having sleazy lawyers who are known to get guilty people off.

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Old 09-18-2007, 12:40 PM
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Mary Winkler's Boyfriend!

Mary's boyfriend is from Paris.

http://www.jacksonsun.com/apps/pbcs....WS08/709180309
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Old 09-18-2007, 07:50 PM
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He better make sure he doesn't have firearms in his home or he could loose his "guts" if Mary thinks he has got to go.

Strange she was in jail until latter August or the first of September 06 and she met her next honey in October 06. Mary sure seems to make a move at lightning speed.

Wonder what Matthew's little girls think about the replacement of their daddy?

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How true. Mary said Matthew was dead when she left. Remember in her interview she said a body changes color immediately after they die.

SO if she KNEW Matthew was dead then why oh why did she load up the shotgun AND shells along with her children?

She will never own up to anything much less this but imo it is obvious to me she had full intentions of using that gun again when she took it.

Also how strange. Here she had already brutally murdered one man but when questioned by LE she was still raging........this time about wanting to rip her father's head off.

This woman is scary. I see a psychopath that got lucky by having sleazy lawyers who are known to get guilty people off.

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Hi Ocean, I dont understand mary saying a body changes color immediately.I have been with five people when they passed, none of them changed right away~a bit whiter maybe,maybe not.I held my son in my arms for 1/2 hour,he was the same.
I read on the Tenn.paper the hospital (someone) said she should remain single. Now does anyone beside me think that she should be Alone? no children~visitation maybe but not permanent residng.I am praying for Matthews parents.
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Hi Ocean, I don't understand mary saying a body changes color immediately.I have been with five people when they passed, none of them changed right away~a bit whiter maybe,maybe not.I held my son in my arms for 1/2 hour,he was the same.
I read on the Tenn.paper the hospital (someone) said she should remain single. Now does anyone beside me think that she should be Alone? no children~visitation maybe but not permanent residing.I am praying for Matthews parents.
Maybe it was because the poor man was bleeding to death.

So sorry about your son. I cant fathom the pain you must have felt Nore. My heart goes out to you.

Well today the Judge decided that Mary does not get the children back. He did give her supervised visits and she can call the girls every other day to talk to them.

What absolutely is heart wrenching to me is the thought that the older girls may not want to talk to or see their mother at all but will be forced now that the Judge has taken their choices away.

Allie and Patricia did not testify today.

But guess what? Dr. Keith Ablow testified for the Winklers.

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You are most welcome.

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Judge Rules Mary Winkler Can Have 'Supervised Visits' With 3 Daughters

NASHVILLE, Tenn. — A woman who killed her minister husband with a shotgun can begin supervised visits with her three young daughters on Sept. 29, a judge ruled Wednesday.

Judge Ron Harmon said he will draw up rules and locations for the visits within a few days and Mary Winkler can phone her children every other day.

The visits will be supervised because of worries about Winkler's mental health, the judge said, and physical security for the children will also be provided if needed.

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Why this lady is even out of prison is beyond me...those poor children.






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NASHVILLE, Tenn. — A woman who killed her minister husband with a shotgun can begin supervised visits with her three young daughters on Sept. 29, a judge ruled Wednesday.

Judge Ron Harmon said he will draw up rules and locations for the visits within a few days and Mary Winkler can phone her children every other day.

The visits will be supervised because of worries about Winkler's mental health, the judge said, and physical security for the children will also be provided if needed.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297395,00.html
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Old 09-22-2007, 01:40 PM
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Why this lady is even out of prison is beyond me...those poor children.
At least these children remain in the home of their grandparents and the Judge did say he has concerns about MWs mental health. He also said he would provide physical security for these children while in the presence of their mother. So imo he is taking this case very seriously and will be going at this very slowly to ensure the children's best interest are protected.

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Mary is becoming her own worst enemy!

The tides are turning against Mary. The more she speaks her lies the more she ruffles feathers.

http://www.independentappeal.com/

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Whether you are a guy or a gal and run into a potential date that told you "we can't seriously date until I get out of prison for murdering my husband and, oh by the way, I will be in a mental hospital until such and such date" would you even go there? This guy has serious issues.
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Old 09-22-2007, 03:10 PM
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Whether you are a guy or a gal and run into a potential date that told you "we can't seriously date until I get out of prison for murdering my husband and, oh by the way, I will be in a mental hospital until such and such date" would you even go there? This guy has serious issues.
I agree but I think it goes hand and hand. To date a murderer and think it is perfectly normal has to be someone who has issues of their own.

Reminds me of all these women that marry men on death row or send them sexy love connection letters. They too have deep seeded issues of their own imo.

But I believe that Mary is very manipulative and always uses people to her best advantage. Who knows... the farmhouse that she will be renting for $150 per month may belong to him.

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Old 09-22-2007, 10:22 PM
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I agree but I think it goes hand and hand. To date a murderer and think it is perfectly normal has to be someone who has issues of their own.

Reminds me of all these women that marry men on death row or send them sexy love connection letters. They too have deep seeded issues of their own imo.

But I believe that Mary is very manipulative and always uses people to her best advantage. Who knows... the farmhouse that she will be renting for $150 per month may belong to him.

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Hi Ocean, thanks so much for the web site~very interesting read.I agree to date and think of something more serious with someone who murdered their husband~well there would have to be problems on his end.I feel mary will evenutually get her just rewards,just do not want her having custody of or being alone with the girls.....She may feel as my mother did "you look just like your father and you act just like him!!" WHACK!
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Whether you are a guy or a gal and run into a potential date that told you "we can't seriously date until I get out of prison for murdering my husband and, oh by the way, I will be in a mental hospital until such and such date" would you even go there? This guy has serious issues.
To answer your question, NO! I'd be running away so quick, it'd look like my butt was on fire and my hair was catching fire!!!! LOL
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The tides are turning against Mary. The more she speaks her lies the more she ruffles feathers.

http://www.independentappeal.com/

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Thanks Ocean. I have felt the way those folks feel now. I think she got away with cold-blooded murder. I don't want to hear how she did 7 months, so she was adequately punished. She can't even keep her stories straight. She's changed them at least three times by my count. I sincerely hope that Matthew's parents are able to use her appearance on Oprah to help their civil case.
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Thanks Ocean. I have felt the way those folks feel now. I think she got away with cold-blooded murder. I don't want to hear how she did 7 months, so she was adequately punished. She can't even keep her stories straight. She's changed them at least three times by my count. I sincerely hope that Matthew's parents are able to use her appearance on Oprah to help their civil case.
Her lies continue.

Oh and guess what else she told in the custody hearing? NOW she said that she told Diane Winkler about the abuse and that Diane told her she had to tell Matthew "no more" and that Diane told her she had suffered abuse too when she was a young wife and mother. (paraphrasing) I will try to find the link but I think it was the JacksonSun.

BUT THERE AGAIN Mary cannot keep her lies straight! She testified under oath in her criminal trial that she told NO ONE about the abuse.
She is trying to cause dissension between Diane and Dan now. I am sure now that this explains the photo of them taken while in the hearing that we have seen. They probably were both livid that this forked tongue killer could utter such lies and nonsense.

The more she talks the more she lies and like all pathological liars they cant keep their lies straight.

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To answer your question, NO! I'd be running away so quick, it'd look like my butt was on fire and my hair was catching fire!!!! LOL
Well heck I even feel sorry for his children. One is in HS and the other is 13 years old. Can you imagine how they have been ridiculed about daddy's special girlfriend?

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I watched an episode of "Snapped" on Oxygen channel last night. It was about Dixie Schlessinger who shot her husband in the back of his head with a shotgun while he was sleeping. Sounds alot like Winkler, except that Dixie was actually abused - there were lots of witnesses to her being beaten by her husband over and over again. Poor Dixie got 40 yrs. and I think she actually was a victim - though murder is never the right answer.

Mary is a lying XXXX, IMO, who was lucky and cunning enough to get away with cold-blooded murder. She had choices. She makes me

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They played the episode of Oprah where Mary was on & I watched it again and all I can say is guilty as sin!!! Just the way she acted was annoying and obviously she is full of crap. The whole ''stripper shoe'' thing just cracked me up. I thought the shoes were cute by the way!.. Mary might have gotten away with murder this time but believe me in one way or another she will pay for what she did.
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Well saying she's a lying murderer is acceptable but with all the fussy ado about the heels and the wig well, the other just doesn't seem to apply.
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What was found on Matthew's computer

I followed the case but stopped somewhat before the trial. Did LE find pornography and other dubuous stuff on Matthew's computer. I don't recall that as having been proven true, but that is the information going around within other circles, not WS. What about his controlling or split personality?
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I watched an episode of "Snapped" on Oxygen channel last night. It was about Dixie Schlessinger who shot her husband in the back of his head with a shotgun while he was sleeping. Sounds alot like Winkler, except that Dixie was actually abused - there were lots of witnesses to her being beaten by her husband over and over again. Poor Dixie got 40 yrs. and I think she actually was a victim - though murder is never the right answer.

Mary is a lying XXXX, IMO, who was lucky and cunning enough to get away with cold-blooded murder. She had choices. She makes me
I got the name wrong on this. It was Dixie Shanahan! Very interesting program that repeats Oct. 17.

http://www.thebiographychannel.co.uk...e_Shanahan.htm
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