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Old 05-07-2005, 11:15 PM
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Some of the hair came from the mother's brush, and she gave some of it to the tipster after he told her he would put it in a Bible under the 23rd Psalm to bring her good luck, said Alonzo Washington, a Kansas City community activist who has long championed efforts to identify the girl.

Washington said the tipster, who does not want his name released, first contacted police nearly a year ago and gave them all the pertinent details about the case, but investigators did not believe him.

"He is very clever, but he is not the most articulate-sounding person, and I think that made them dismiss him," Washington said. "They probably thought 'This is some Okie from Muskogee, and he doesn't know what he's talking about

Police investigators said the tipster was in touch with them numerous times since July 2004, but his information was incomplete. Then, on April 29, "He called back with a lot more detailed information," said Kansas City police spokesman Darrin Snap.

According to court papers, Harrell Johnson beat the girl one night in April 2001 and the couple left her unconscious on the floor for two days. They did not seek medical help, the mother said, because both had warrants out for their arrest.

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Old 05-07-2005, 11:20 PM
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In her final month of life, little Erica Green sobbed often.

Plucked from the only home she'd known, she cried because she lived with strangers in a strange town. Beaten until she threw up, she cried because she hurt.

Those sad details come from Lawanda Driskell, in whose house 3-year-old Erica died four years ago.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/11586288.htm
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During a court appearance April 1, 2002, in Muskogee, Harrell pleaded guilty to several crimes and then was allowed into a different courtroom so he and Michelle could be married by a judge.

In 2003, while Harrell Johnson was imprisoned in Watonga, Okla., Michelle Johnson completed a court-ordered drug rehabilitation program. But Michelle would relapse, Lewis said. The state took custody of the three children she had with Harrell.

By then, Erica had been dead for two years.

The next year, Michelle Johnson was sentenced to five years of probation for forging a check. She was ordered to pay $700 in fines and court costs. While applying to defer payment, she completed a document listing her children.

She included Erica in the list, writing that the girl was 7.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/11586282.htm
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The next year, Michelle Johnson was sentenced to five years of probation for forging a check. She was ordered to pay $700 in fines and court costs. While applying to defer payment, she completed a document listing her children.

She included Erica in the list, writing that the girl was 7.

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/11586282.htm
These are all such heart-breaking details. Hearing about the last month of her short life is tearing me apart. To hear that the mother then used Erica's name for her own selfish needs, two years after allowing her to lie dying on the floor for two days ... I just can't believe it. I have no words for what I'm feeling right now.
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Deep into an interrogation with investigators Wednesday, Michelle M. Johnson — Precious Doe's mother — flipped over a photo of her slain daughter, police said, and shakily scribbled something on the back.

It was an apology

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I just don't understand people. How can a mother let someone hurt her child in such a way and DO NOTHING? That is just not in my nature. I can typically put myself in another's shoes, but not on something like this. There is just no amount of reasoning that could get me to understand.
I don't understand this either. That mother should have been more concerned for her child than as to what would have happened to that man she was with and of herself! Warrents or not, her child should have been her main concern. And to dispose of her like she was garbarge is heartless. How anyone could live with themselves is beyond me.
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it's great lawanda driskell is finally coming out with all this info now that this child has been identified. I wonder what her reason is for standing by while this child was beaten by this man. What is wrong with these people? she may not have murdered her, but she stated this poor baby lived a brutal life and yet she did nothing!!
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This story makes me extremely angry. When are people going to realize they can't just "mind their own business" when the life of a child is involved. This Lawanda Driskell had a duty to inform Child Services about the threats and the beatings. And she definitely should've followed up when she suspected that "Precious" was Erica.
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An update:

'Precious Doe' Beaten in Days Before Death'

http://story.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/precious_doe

WHY DIDN'T ANYONE DO ANYTHING?
That woman is just as bad as the mother.
"We could hear her screaming in the back bedroom," Lawanda Driskell told The Kansas City Star in Saturday's editions.


I hope that every night when she closes her eyes to sleep, she will ALWAYS hear poor little ericka's screams.

Should could've prevented this and she could've saved that baby.

People really make me sick!
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That woman is just as bad as the mother.
"We could hear her screaming in the back bedroom," Lawanda Driskell told The Kansas City Star in Saturday's editions.
I hope that every night when she closes her eyes to sleep, she will ALWAYS hear poor little ericka's screams.

Should could've prevented this and she could've saved that baby.

People really make me sick!
There's reasons why people don't call, which aren't understood by most.
1. Many of these people have already had their kids removed by social services or have been scrutinized by them.
2. Drug are hot in these types of areas and no one wants the "heat" on them.
3. Many people feel it's not their business.
4. Many people think the days of 'beating a child's a**' need to come back in
5. Minorities especially feel that social services is a 'white institute' and no well off white lady in the white cadillac has any business coming and taking their kids
6. Many people think foster care is no better than existing situations
7. Many people think it's best to handle things without getting police or other agencies involved
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There's reasons why people don't call, which aren't understood by most.
1. Many of these people have already had their kids removed by social services or have been scrutinized by them.
2. Drug are hot in these types of areas and no one wants the "heat" on them.
3. Many people feel it's not their business.
4. Many people think the days of 'beating a child's a**' need to come back in
5. Minorities especially feel that social services is a 'white institute' and no well off white lady in the white cadillac has any business coming and taking their kids
6. Many people think foster care is no better than existing situations
7. Many people think it's best to handle things without getting police or other agencies involved
1- probably for good reason.
2- they could call in an Anonymous tip.
3- it's EVERYONES BUSINESS TO PROTECT A CHILD
4- stupidity. There's a HUGE difference in disciplining a child and ABUSING a child.
5- I have yet to meet a social worker that can afford a cadillac.
6- Foster care has it's issues, yes. But most kids in foster care don't get their head bashed in and then left for dead and then have their corpse mutilated.
7- She could've "Handled It" by contacting the police. OR defending the child.
This was obviously not a one time incident.


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There's reasons why people don't call, which aren't understood by most.
1. Many of these people have already had their kids removed by social services or have been scrutinized by them.
2. Drug are hot in these types of areas and no one wants the "heat" on them.
3. Many people feel it's not their business.
4. Many people think the days of 'beating a child's a**' need to come back in
5. Minorities especially feel that social services is a 'white institute' and no well off white lady in the white cadillac has any business coming and taking their kids
6. Many people think foster care is no better than existing situations
7. Many people think it's best to handle things without getting police or other agencies involved




1- probably for good reason. Many kids are beaten in middle-class homes every day of the week..Think Social Services is going to treat a two-family parent living in a 600k house the same as a poor mother with five kids living in public assistance? One’s going to get chalked up as a bratty kid whose parents didn’t give him his Ritalin that morning after a lawyer’s threat, and the other is going to be told to show up for court in the morning.



Let’s not forget that many children in foster care don’t have “bad parents,” they have parents in the hospital with no one to take care of them, parents who die, handicapped or disabled parents, and quite often, their parents are deported to another country. (The latter is what is making up a good portion of foster care these days)


2- they could call in an Anonymous tip. – Course they could. Most calls are anonymous, but spend one day on the streets of Washington, DC and see how many people call “anonymous” tips in to the police or any authorities. People lose their lives over this every day.



3- it's EVERYONES BUSINESS TO PROTECT A CHILD – Go into an inner-city ghetto and suggest this. It’s complete disrespect to interfere with another person’s parenting in the ‘hood.




4- stupidity. There's a HUGE difference in disciplining a child and ABUSING a child.

One person’s version of discipline might be abuse to another. I know people who will quickly call social services if they see a parent spank a kid who ran in front of a car. I had some woman once in a store threaten to call the police on my friend because she pinched her daughter who was severely acting up. My sister-in-law is a teacher and had a parent try to have her arrested and fired for restraining their child who was hitting another kid.

I know people who will slap their teen’s mouth in a heartbeat and put them up against a wall if they sass, is that abuse? I know people who believe at about the age of 4 you need to give your kid one good beating and they will never act up again because you just have to threaten them with that. I know people who have lost their temper with their children once or twice, but do not go around beating their kids day in and day out. I know someone whose son got a severe cut after her bipolar son whose son tried to hit her and missed and his hand went through a window. He lied and said she did it and she was arrested for child abuse. Know another woman who put a mark on her son, but it wasn’t intentional. She was cooking and he came over and was pulling on her leg right when she was trying to move a hot pot and she kicked him really hard out of protection. Kid couldn’t go to school for a week. Is that abuse? It's hard to say what is clear-cut abuse or one time incidents, unintentional abuse, etc.
This situation is a little unique and reminds me of the Jahi Turner case. Erick and Jahi had never been raised by their parents, and both died within weeks of their "real parent" claiming them.


We also do not know what goes on in most people’s houses. I personally have know one woman who is a noted school teacher - even has won lots of awards, puts on the sweetest act around people - I mean everyone who knows this woman think's she's so great, but behind close doors she’s an alcoholic with a ferocious temper.


5- I have yet to meet a social worker that can afford a cadillac.


They are there, but I do have to admit not really in DHS anymore. The pay for state social worker’s is piss poor, so they all try to get in private companies where they make double their salary. What’s in DHS? Lots of people who are just staying there a year or so to get experience to move to the private sector, people who barely speak English, or people who won’t be hired elsewhere.


6- Foster care has it's issues, yes. But most kids in foster care don't get their head bashed in and then left for dead and then have their corpse mutilated.


They don’t? I’ve read just in the last week about four social worker’s pleading guilty to molesting children, one leaving a kid in a vehicle for four hours, and one drinking and driving with a child in the car, and one who beat a child in her care. In foster care, I’ve read about nine molestations this week, six abuse arrests, one starvation death, and one child beaten to death. In Baltimore, MD, there’s a HUGE problem here with children dying in foster care. Let’s not even forget that social services has lost track of over 10,000 children across the US. Is this where you want your kid? Sorry, I wouldn’t want mine there.


7- She could've "Handled It" by contacting the police. OR defending the child.
As I said, you don’t interfere in the ghetto. What I personally would have done in her shoes is knocked on the door and said I was taking my kid’s to the park and can I take yours too? This is what works in the ghetto…



PS - I'm not advocating this woman's actions - I'm just saying a lot of people have no experience with inner city cultures and apply the why's to their own backyard.
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There's reasons why people don't call, which aren't understood by most.
1. Many of these people have already had their kids removed by social services or have been scrutinized by them.
2. Drug are hot in these types of areas and no one wants the "heat" on them.
3. Many people feel it's not their business.
4. Many people think the days of 'beating a child's a**' need to come back in
5. Minorities especially feel that social services is a 'white institute' and no well off white lady in the white cadillac has any business coming and taking their kids
6. Many people think foster care is no better than existing situations
7. Many people think it's best to handle things without getting police or other agencies involved




1- probably for good reason. Many kids are beaten in middle-class homes every day of the week..Think Social Services is going to treat a two-family parent living in a 600k house the same as a poor mother with five kids living in public assistance? One’s going to get chalked up as a bratty kid whose parents didn’t give him his Ritalin that morning after a lawyer’s threat, and the other is going to be told to show up for court in the morning.



Let’s not forget that many children in foster care don’t have “bad parents,” they have parents in the hospital with no one to take care of them, parents who die, handicapped or disabled parents, and quite often, their parents are deported to another country. (The latter is what is making up a good portion of foster care these days)


2- they could call in an Anonymous tip. – Course they could. Most calls are anonymous, but spend one day on the streets of Washington, DC and see how many people call “anonymous” tips in to the police or any authorities. People lose their lives over this every day.



3- it's EVERYONES BUSINESS TO PROTECT A CHILD – Go into an inner-city ghetto and suggest this. It’s complete disrespect to interfere with another person’s parenting in the ‘hood.




4- stupidity. There's a HUGE difference in disciplining a child and ABUSING a child.

One person’s version of discipline might be abuse to another. I know people who will quickly call social services if they see a parent spank a kid who ran in front of a car. I had some woman once in a store threaten to call the police on my friend because she pinched her daughter who was severely acting up. My sister-in-law is a teacher and had a parent try to have her arrested and fired for restraining their child who was hitting another kid.

I know people who will slap their teen’s mouth in a heartbeat and put them up against a wall if they sass, is that abuse? I know people who believe at about the age of 4 you need to give your kid one good beating and they will never act up again because you just have to threaten them with that. I know people who have lost their temper with their children once or twice, but do not go around beating their kids day in and day out. I know someone whose son got a severe cut after her bipolar son whose son tried to hit her and missed and his hand went through a window. He lied and said she did it and she was arrested for child abuse. Know another woman who put a mark on her son, but it wasn’t intentional. She was cooking and he came over and was pulling on her leg right when she was trying to move a hot pot and she kicked him really hard out of protection. Kid couldn’t go to school for a week. Is that abuse? It's hard to say what is clear-cut abuse or one time incidents, unintentional abuse, etc.
This situation is a little unique and reminds me of the Jahi Turner case. Erick and Jahi had never been raised by their parents, and both died within weeks of their "real parent" claiming them.


We also do not know what goes on in most people’s houses. I personally have know one woman who is a noted school teacher - even has won lots of awards, puts on the sweetest act around people - I mean everyone who knows this woman think's she's so great, but behind close doors she’s an alcoholic with a ferocious temper.


5- I have yet to meet a social worker that can afford a cadillac.


They are there, but I do have to admit not really in DHS anymore. The pay for state social worker’s is piss poor, so they all try to get in private companies where they make double their salary. What’s in DHS? Lots of people who are just staying there a year or so to get experience to move to the private sector, people who barely speak English, or people who won’t be hired elsewhere.


6- Foster care has it's issues, yes. But most kids in foster care don't get their head bashed in and then left for dead and then have their corpse mutilated.


They don’t? I’ve read just in the last week about four social worker’s pleading guilty to molesting children, one leaving a kid in a vehicle for four hours, and one drinking and driving with a child in the car, and one who beat a child in her care. In foster care, I’ve read about nine molestations this week, six abuse arrests, one starvation death, and one child beaten to death. In Baltimore, MD, there’s a HUGE problem here with children dying in foster care. Let’s not even forget that social services has lost track of over 10,000 children across the US. Is this where you want your kid? Sorry, I wouldn’t want mine there.


7- She could've "Handled It" by contacting the police. OR defending the child.
As I said, you don’t interfere in the ghetto. What I personally would have done in her shoes is knocked on the door and said I was taking my kid’s to the park and can I take yours too? This is what works in the ghetto…



PS - I'm not advocating this woman's actions - I'm just saying a lot of people have no experience with inner city cultures and apply the why's to their own backyard.
I have to say that it all sounds like an excuse.
Like kids who live in the ghetto should be treated differently?

If people stopped having that kind of attitude (It's not MY business)
the would would be a better place!

On a side note: I am not attacking you Just wanted to make that clear.

any for what it's worth. I've lived in the ghetto- I've also stood in line for food to feed me and my daughter, and I've gone to places like the salvation army as well for food.
I've been very close to living in my car once as well.
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PS - I'm not advocating this woman's actions - I'm just saying a lot of people have no experience with inner city cultures and apply the why's to their own backyard.
If It wasn't for erica's grandfather- no one would've ever found her name, or her attackers.
At least I don't think they ever would've.
I don't think anyone in the inner city would've thought less of this "neighbor" for saving a child either.

Knocking on someone door to ask them if you could take their kids to the park also, from my knowledge, doesn't happen in the inner city.
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Tipster describes fight to be heard

The tipster in the Precious Doe case publicly identified himself Friday, saying he had called Kansas City police 40 to 50 times before they took him seriously.

Thurman McIntosh, 81, of Muskogee, Okla., finally called police again April 29 with information that led to the identity of Precious Doe as 3-year-old Erica Green. That information also led to the arrest of Michelle and Harrell Johnson. McIntosh is Harrell Johnson's grandfather. Michelle Johnson is Erica's mother.

McIntosh said he initially wanted to remain anonymous, because he didn't want people to know he had turned in his grandson. But he said he revealed his identity this week because his anonymity had already been compromised.

“The media already said it was the grandpa,” he said in a phone interview from his home in Muskogee. “That busted my confidentiality right there.”

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Two states are investigating Michelle Johnson for welfare fraud, a week after she was charged in the death of her daughter known in Kansas City as Precious Doe.

Welfare officials in Missouri and Oklahoma confirmed Thursday that their states recently opened investigations on Johnson. Officials would not say exactly what they are investigating.

“It appears there may have been welfare fraud,” said Dustin Pyeatt, spokesman for the Oklahoma Department of Human Services. “The investigation was brought about by the recent media attention in this case.”

Johnson also was receiving welfare benefits in Illinois, according to Kansas City police.

It is not known if Johnson received benefits from more than one state at the same time or which of her children received assistance. Because there isn't a nationwide database for welfare cases, a state would not know if a person is receiving benefits elsewhere.

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I have to say that it all sounds like an excuse.
Like kids who live in the ghetto should be treated differently?

If people stopped having that kind of attitude (It's not MY business)
the would would be a better place!

On a side note: I am not attacking you Just wanted to make that clear.

any for what it's worth. I've lived in the ghetto- I've also stood in line for food to feed me and my daughter, and I've gone to places like the salvation army as well for food.
I've been very close to living in my car once as well.
Didn't take it as you are. Just shedding light on why people don't call social services. My perspective as well... Why should kids in the ghetto be treated differently? Good question - think it's a lack of education, lack of money, and a lack of know-how. You can have the same situation say a mother with a recent boyfriend who's moved in the house, her leaving the kids with him, a possible allegation of sexual abuse, and it very well may be handled differently. Someone in a middle-class area will be on the phone with an attorney before DHS is out the door, while someone in a poor area can't afford an attorney. Guess it goes along the lines of who's in prison - ? Is it people who could afford decent attorneys? Money talks
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If It wasn't for erica's grandfather- no one would've ever found her name, or her attackers.
At least I don't think they ever would've.
I don't think anyone in the inner city would've thought less of this "neighbor" for saving a child either.

Knocking on someone door to ask them if you could take their kids to the park also, from my knowledge, doesn't happen in the inner city.


Depends on if you're tight with the neighbors or not. A stranger wouldn't knock on a door.

This is an example of what I am talking about when I talk about people afraid to speak up. In DC, there was a 8-year-old girl shot last year. No one, even people who witnessed the crime, would speak up. The police conducted one of the largest manhunts ever in DC to find the killer. It took months.

A 9-year-old was shot a couple months ago. There's a $75,000 reward in the case, yet, no one's talking...People are afraid to "rat" on others, and that's including child abuse in inner cities.
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I think what happened to the GF also influences the fact that things don't get reported. He didn't report until after the fact it is true. But after the child came up missing, he reported. And he reported again. And again.

All over, neighbors families and others make reports of what they suspect may be happening in an abuse situation. Maybe an investigation is made or maybe not (that is protected info, and cannot be discussed after the report is made. There is an assumption that it will be investigated). Nothing appears to change for the child. The only thing that changes is there is one or two mad parents going around trying to find out who made the reports. And possibly trying to get even. That is why people often don't want to make a report.
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Didn't take it as you are. Just shedding light on why people don't call social services. My perspective as well... Why should kids in the ghetto be treated differently? Good question - think it's a lack of education, lack of money, and a lack of know-how. You can have the same situation say a mother with a recent boyfriend who's moved in the house, her leaving the kids with him, a possible allegation of sexual abuse, and it very well may be handled differently. Someone in a middle-class area will be on the phone with an attorney before DHS is out the door, while someone in a poor area can't afford an attorney. Guess it goes along the lines of who's in prison - ? Is it people who could afford decent attorneys? Money talks
You are so very right about the prison issue.
I have written several essays in college about that!!!

Off topic- I believe they also looked at the statistics- A person who is free on bail will typically be found not guilty, than a person who can not make bail.
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Depends on if you're tight with the neighbors or not. A stranger wouldn't knock on a door.

This is an example of what I am talking about when I talk about people afraid to speak up. In DC, there was a 8-year-old girl shot last year. No one, even people who witnessed the crime, would speak up. The police conducted one of the largest manhunts ever in DC to find the killer. It took months.

A 9-year-old was shot a couple months ago. There's a $75,000 reward in the case, yet, no one's talking...People are afraid to "rat" on others, and that's including child abuse in inner cities.
hmm, maybe in high drug and gang areas??
the biggest problem is that you are not really dealing
with one prep. you're dealing with all that prep.'s friends.

They need a lot more policing in those neighborhoods where those
two children were shot, we've had problems like that here
and as soon as the police stepped in to help the citizens
take back the street the crime went way down.
Of course it just moved a couple of blocks away, where the
wasn't as much police and citizens taking action.
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I think what happened to the GF also influences the fact that things don't get reported. He didn't report until after the fact it is true. But after the child came up missing, he reported. And he reported again. And again.

All over, neighbors families and others make reports of what they suspect may be happening in an abuse situation. Maybe an investigation is made or maybe not (that is protected info, and cannot be discussed after the report is made. There is an assumption that it will be investigated). Nothing appears to change for the child. The only thing that changes is there is one or two mad parents going around trying to find out who made the reports. And possibly trying to get even. That is why people often don't want to make a report.
very true, unfortunately.
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Tipster describes fight to be heard

The tipster in the Precious Doe case publicly identified himself Friday, saying he had called Kansas City police 40 to 50 times before they took him seriously.

Thurman McIntosh, 81, of Muskogee, Okla., finally called police again April 29 with information that led to the identity of Precious Doe as 3-year-old Erica Green. That information also led to the arrest of Michelle and Harrell Johnson. McIntosh is Harrell Johnson's grandfather. Michelle Johnson is Erica's mother.

McIntosh said he initially wanted to remain anonymous, because he didn't want people to know he had turned in his grandson. But he said he revealed his identity this week because his anonymity had already been compromised.

“The media already said it was the grandpa,” he said in a phone interview from his home in Muskogee. “That busted my confidentiality right there.”

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hmmm... so I wonder WHY they never followed up with his phone calls??

poor man, I only hope and pray that Erica got to feel the amount of love her grandpa had for her.
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i was living in an apartment building when i was in college and the woman above me was hurting her baby, constantly that child would scream and she would scream and i could hear her hitting the child. i called social services and reported her anonymously. she and the child disappeared shortly after. don't know what happened. nothing is worse than listening to a child being abused. if i hadn't called i would guilty to this day. it's my OBLIGATION to protect a child, any child. if i hear something that shouldn't be going on.
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i was living in an apartment building when i was in college and the woman above me was hurting her baby, constantly that child would scream and she would scream and i could hear her hitting the child. i called social services and reported her anonymously. she and the child disappeared shortly after. don't know what happened. nothing is worse than listening to a child being abused. if i hadn't called i would guilty to this day. it's my OBLIGATION to protect a child, any child. if i hear something that shouldn't be going on.
I'm the type of person that you might hear about on the news someday

I would call the police first, social services next, then I'd go up there and kick her @%$

yep.. I'd be in jail probably.
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