WA - Unidentified Male: "Lyle Stevik", Grays Harbor, 17 Sept 2001 - #3

outofthedark · #1 09-18-2007, 03:17 PM

I started another thread because the other one is now closed- so this thread is continuing the last one. So whoever was going to post on the now closed 30+ page thread can post here

LisainWV · #2 09-18-2007, 09:17 PM

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/233umwa.html

Let's start it out with his doepage so we can refer back for his photo, info and such.

cold case lady · #3 09-18-2007, 10:45 PM

I think the crime scene photo's from the thread that just ended would also be helpful.there on page 10.i don't know how to bring it over

outofthedark · #4 09-18-2007, 11:43 PM

Here's two Photobucket accounts. One has crime scene photos and other has an autopsy photo:

Docwho3: http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e232/docwho3/lyle/
cjpix2006: http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q65/cjpix2006/

Lyle's autopsy photo is in the 6th row of the cjpix2006 photo album
The Docwho3 photo album is all Lyle stuff

cold case lady · #5 09-19-2007, 02:37 AM

was wondering if anyone has read or seen doco's about multiple personalities(i know there are to many to mention),can't think of the name of it but this one woman would do endless amount's of writing and every one of the personalities had very different style's of writing.thought i would mention it as the three note's he left in the room were different.Maybe he had no idea what was happening to him,he may have thought he was going mad!

cold case lady · #6 09-19-2007, 02:41 AM

thank you out of the dark!that will be helpful

outofthedark · #7 09-19-2007, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by cold case lady

thank you out of the dark!that will be helpful

Anytime!

cold case lady · #8 09-21-2007, 06:38 AM

is there any way we can view more info on him,like autopsy results or anything like that.

outofthedark · #9 09-21-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by cold case lady

is there any way we can view more info on him,like autopsy results or anything like that.

Unless the new detective joins here-then we could get more info

laini · #10 09-21-2007, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cold case lady

was wondering if anyone has read or seen doco's about multiple personalities(i know there are to many to mention),can't think of the name of it but this one woman would do endless amount's of writing and every one of the personalities had very different style's of writing.thought i would mention it as the three note's he left in the room were different.Maybe he had no idea what was happening to him,he may have thought he was going mad!

Trudi something - "When The Rabbit Howls" ?

SeriouslySearching · #11 09-21-2007, 11:02 PM

Here are the other threads:

#2. Grays Harbor, Washington John Doe (cont...)

#1. Unidentified Male- Found September 17th, 2001 in Grays Harbor, Washington

Other theads I found related to Lyle:

I made a video for Lyle Stevik, more UID videos in the works

Possible match for Lyle Stevik?

Lyle Stevik (Part 2 or 3)

SeriouslySearching · #12 09-21-2007, 11:36 PM

After carefully examining the photos of the notes, I am wondering if the name we have been calling him, Stevik, is what that actually says. I think it could be Stlevik. There is an R. Stlevik who apparently is a researcher/chemist/scientist, but I cannot figure out where he is from.

http://www.google.com/search?q=R.+St...US226&filter=0

If you look at the first L in Lyle and the first stroke of the supposed E...you will see it is the same. You don't see this on the other E at the end of Lyle. The E looks like it is written smaller next to it.

I have to agree with CCL...the writing of the "For the room" note and the name/address are the same...but the word "suicide" doesn't appear to have been written by the same person. The S's are flat on the bottom where in "suicide" it is well rounded. (He wrote them the same exact way 3 times in other two notes.) The D is different, too. Note how in the two notes...the stroke of the top line in E is in front of the line and in suicide...the stroke begins at the top. It isn't consistent with the other E's.

It makes me think that Lyle either did not write the other two notes or he did not write the word "suicide". If the person at the desk wrote the other two notes and Lyle DID write the 3rd...it could also explain this.

I don't think multipersonality disorder (MPD) or Disassociative Identity Disorder (DID) comes into play in this case.

However, I do think the discrepancy of the notes do add another twist to the case. I don't understand why LE didn't easily see this or have a handwriting expert evaluate the notes to begin with.

outofthedark · #13 09-21-2007, 11:49 PM

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If you look at the first L in Lyle and the first "strike" of the supposed E...you will see it is the same. You don't see this on the other E at the end of Lyle. The E looks like it is written smaller next to it.

You're right. But I can't really tell because his writing is kinda messy

SeriouslySearching · #14 09-22-2007, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by outofthedark

You're right. But I can't really tell because his writing is kinda messy

Exactly! It IS kinda messy in two notes...but NOT in the word "suicide". The person who wrote the first two notes has a long time habit of connecting his letters in printing as if he is writing in cursive. It is even evident in writing the numbers in the address. They contain "tails".

If Lyle did write the first two...then it means instead of a suicide, this could be an assisted suicide or a murder because it would place someone else in the room with him.

outofthedark · #15 09-22-2007, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching

Exactly! It IS kinda messy in two notes...but NOT in the word "suicide". The person who wrote the first two notes has a long time habit of connecting his letters in printing as if he is writing in cursive. It is even evident in writing the numbers in the address. They contain "tails".

I don't know why he would use the same writing style for 2 notes, but then use a different style for another

SeriouslySearching · #16 09-22-2007, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by outofthedark

I don't know why he would use the same writing style for 2 notes, but then use a different style for another

He wouldn't! People don't think about those strokes when they are writing because those habits are formed early. They become very much a part of their "personality" in handwriting.

outofthedark · #17 09-22-2007, 12:26 AM

I wonder if there could be a reason for why his handwriting is kinda messy. He could have had a problem with one of his hands and it could have caused him to have messy writing

I'm also suprised that no-one has recognized his handwriting considering how distinct it looks

SeriouslySearching · #18 09-22-2007, 12:43 AM

I don't see it as a problem at all with his hand. His writing is quite deliberate and not shaky in any way.

Here are a couple of very interesting articles from Nome, Alaska. The missing cases and the HIV articles bring up some questions concerning Lyle for me, as I have felt he was not only gay, but from Alaska.
http://nortonsoundhealth.org/kaniqsi...KN59-Feb06.pdf

Gina_M · #19 09-22-2007, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by outofthedark

Here's two Photobucket accounts. One has crime scene photos and other has an autopsy photo:

Docwho3: http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e232/docwho3/lyle/
cjpix2006: http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q65/cjpix2006/

Lyle's autopsy photo is in the 6th row of the cjpix2006 photo album
The Docwho3 photo album is all Lyle stuff

Just curious...do both of these links have postmortem and/or autopsy photos? (Wasn't sure if crime scene meant postmortem) Looking at those types of photos makes me uncomfortable...but I really want to see the notes you guys were talking about to compare the handwritings. Is it possible to link me straight to those?

outofthedark · #20 09-22-2007, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Gina_M

Just curious...do both of these links have postmortem and/or autopsy photos? (Wasn't sure if crime scene meant postmortem) Looking at those types of photos makes me uncomfortable...but I really want to see the notes you guys were talking about to compare the handwritings. Is it possible to link me straight to those?

The "SUICIDE" note:

"For the Room":

The last note:

Yes both links have postmortem photos- but very few

Now that I'm reading the residence address he put down, the way he put "Ave." looks like "Ae." or "Me."

SeriouslySearching · #21 09-22-2007, 04:14 AM

Seeing those magnified only brought home what I was telling you before.

SeriouslySearching · #22 09-22-2007, 04:17 AM

I would say it was AVE. He runs things together like I mentioned before.

SeriouslySearching · #23 09-22-2007, 04:19 AM

What really bothers me now is the 3rd note. If the person at the desk saw him writing the first name/address...it means he wrote the note for the money left for the room (and can we say they are honest?) Who wrote the word..."Suicide"? And how do we find out if he was the one that actually wrote the name/address? If he didn't...then the same person from the office wrote the "for the room" note which changes things to look at the staff at the motel. Maybe he didn't write ANY of the notes. These are all assumptions.

docwho3 · #24 09-22-2007, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Gina_M

Just curious...do both of these links have postmortem and/or autopsy photos? (Wasn't sure if crime scene meant postmortem) Looking at those types of photos makes me uncomfortable...but I really want to see the notes you guys were talking about to compare the handwritings. Is it possible to link me straight to those?

The pics in my photobucket album have been cropped to delete gory unpleasant material. I have other pics but am not at liberty to release them to the public. Some of the pics are retouched by another person to make the man look more life like and to put more weight on him as it was thought he had recently lost weight and so people who knew him might more easily recognize him with some extraweight showing in his face. Those retouched images have the green leafy background and have words along the side saying who did the work on the pics and those pics look like a live person portrait from a studio.

The other images have been slightly altered by me as to contrast, gamma correction (Brightness) and size for greater picture clarity. This is why you see more than one copy of the same image in the album. It allows one to see details of the image under different lighting characteristics.

However the images of the notes in the album are at:
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...yle/room1c.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...yle/suicd1.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...yle/room1b.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...yle/regis3.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...yle/regis2.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...le/regis1c.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...le/regis1b.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...e/detlyle2.jpg

SeriouslySearching · #25 09-22-2007, 05:10 AM

You did a great job, DocWho! However, there are problems with the notes which you and CCL brought to my attention. Thanks! I got all of my information from your saving them.

Altho...what if it wasn't his belt? What if he WAS waiting on someone and he finally showed up? Maybe he wasn't suicidal at all! Maybe the guy targeted this man? Our Lyle did not write all of the notes...and until they can prove it otherwise, I have to believe someone had to be in the room with him directly before his death. It would explain why the room was swept clean of his identity. Anything that our Lyle had on his person could have been taken by another.