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Old 09-22-2007, 01:07 PM
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I'm not going to forget there are predators out there just because car travel is more dangerous. Parents need to take precautions ( watch their children, put them in car seats, drive carefully etc.) in both situations. One does not outweigh the other in my mind.
The world is a dangerous place, to be sure. But it's not so dangerous that I won't put my child in a car or let my teenaged daughter in the yard by herself!
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The world is a dangerous place, to be sure. But it's not so dangerous that I won't put my child in a car or let my teenaged daughter in the yard by herself!
I wouldn't be that strict with my teenaged daughter but only because by that time she would have all the dangers drummed into her head and know what to do and how to get help. I'm pretty much talking about very young children. At 5, my children would not be in the yard alone for even a few minutes.
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Old 09-22-2007, 01:20 PM
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I wouldn't be that strict with my teenaged daughter but only because by that time she would have all the dangers drummed into her head and know what to do and how to get help. I'm pretty much talking about very young children. At 5, my children would not be in the yard alone for even a few minutes.
I surely understand your concerns. I was just pointing out that different parents have different comfort levels. At 5 both my sons were allowed out in the fenced backyard with our big dog by themselves. Our yard is set up so that I could see them easily from most any room, so I was comfortable with that. Some parents wouldn't be!
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Old 09-22-2007, 01:41 PM
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I didn't realize that Australia didn't have the Death Penalty. Sounds like Aussies need to rise up and change that!

I agree...there is no reason to waste the resources it takes to keep them locked up. They are a waste of skin, air, and energy. Their bodies would find better use in a lab somewhere to cure the ills of society.
I believe Canada doesn't have the death penalty either. Last I heard they won't extradite murder suspects back to the U.S. unless the U.S. agrees not to seek the death penalty either.
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Old 09-22-2007, 01:45 PM
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I don't understand why countries don't understand the basis for the DP. The punishment fits the crime especially if you have DNA to guarantee the person is guilty beyond ANY doubt.
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Old 09-22-2007, 01:49 PM
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The world is a dangerous place, to be sure. But it's not so dangerous that I won't put my child in a car or let my teenaged daughter in the yard by herself!
I totally agree! Why on earth would you let a five year old play alone in the front yard? When my kids were that age...I was with them if they were outside unless they were secure in my backyard and I was watching them from inside. They didn't leave my sight because so much can happen with simple accidents or with a five year old curiousity...elaborate accidents!
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Old 09-22-2007, 03:08 PM
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The problem with this logic is this:

It's far far far more dangerous for your 5-year-old to ride in an automobile than to play in her front yard. Chances are greater that she will be badly harmed or perish in a car than from a person who would hurt her.

And yet - I don't see parents saying "How in the world can you allow your child to travel in a car when you know all the dangers that are out there on the roads?!" And I don't see parents driving in carts with horses.

Parents allow their children the freedom to play in a front yard for the same reason that parents transport their children in vehicles - the rewards/conveniences seem to outweigh the risks. Yet, cars are more dangerous than predators to our children and we should not forget this.

To each, his own.

My kids ride in cars, but if they drive like buttheads or if I find out their friends do, those type of rides will be eliminated. They can ride with boring Mom in a seat belt instead of raising the risk factor by joyriding at excessive speeds.

My opinions/feelings about the matter are based on a number of life experiences, including when the daughter of one of my best friends had her throat slit by a neighbor and the fact we have a registered sex offender in our neighborhood. Add to that the fact that another man has conveniently chosen to park at one of the parks in my neighborhood for no real reason on several occasions (this is a park INSIDE a subdivision). When an on-the ball neighbor approached him to ask him if he was waiting for someone, he left. That neighbor had a hinky enough feeling that she reported the incident(s) to neighborhood watch. Turns out the guy is a repeat sex offender and he has several different cars, not just the one he's been in in our neighborhood. The bastard doesn't even live in my subdivision. My neighborhood has several tot lots and neighborhood parks and I see why it could be a lure for people that are up to no good.

If grown women can be abducted in broad daylight in a parking lot (Dru Sjodin, Kelsey in Kansas, etc.) why couldn't a sex offender in my neighborhood take an opportunity when he can see that no one is apparently looking?
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Old 09-22-2007, 03:14 PM
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To each, his own.

My kids ride in cars, but if they drive like buttheads or if I find out their friends do, those type of rides will be eliminated. They can ride with boring Mom in a seat belt instead of raising the risk factor by joyriding at excessive speeds.

My opinions/feelings about the matter are based on a number of life experiences, including when the daughter of one of my best friends had her throat slit by a neighbor and the fact we have a registered sex offender in our neighborhood. Add to that the fact that another man has conveniently chosen to park at one of the parks in my neighborhood for no real reason on several occasions (this is a park INSIDE a subdivision). When an on-the ball neighbor approached him to ask him if he was waiting for someone, he left. That neighbor had a hinky enough feeling that she reported the incident(s) to neighborhood watch. Turns out the guy is a repeat sex offender and he has several different cars, not just the one he's been in in our neighborhood. The bastard doesn't live in my subdivision. My neighborhood has several tot lots and neighborhood parks and I see why it could be a lure for people that are up to no good.

If grown women can be abducted in broad daylight in a parking lot (Dru Sjodin, Kelsey in Kansas, etc.) why couldn't a sex offender in my neighborhood take an opportunity when he can't see that anyone's watching their child?
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Please know I deeply respect your opinion - I was just stating my own thoughts, not trying to belittle yours!!

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Old 09-22-2007, 03:21 PM
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Please know I deeply respect your opinion - I was just stating my own thoughts, not trying to belittle yours!!

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That's cool- I didn't feel belittled. We all form our beliefs a bit differently. The crime against my friend's daughter several years ago was when I really started to see the world differently as far as my kids are concerned. I know I can't protect them forever- but I would like for them to make it to adulthood as safely as possible.

I would love nothing more than for my daughter to live as I did-free as a bird- and just ride her bike around all day and show up around dinner time. I just can't take that kind of leap of faith. I don't distrust her, I distrust the bad guys!

Maybe my time at Websleuths has made me more scared. I do know that I am much more aware of what's going on in the world than say, my younger sister; her young son walks all over her neighborhood and there's a sex offender there.
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Old 09-22-2007, 03:28 PM
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Aww poor girl. Why did she have to have surgey?!
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Old 09-22-2007, 03:30 PM
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Aww poor girl. Why did she have to have surgey?!
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I'm pretty sure it's because of damage done to her as a result of her sexual assault. Little girls aren't supposed to have things like that happen. Poor thing.
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Old 09-22-2007, 03:34 PM
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Maybe we should lobby/petition/march and get tazered, that they recieve the death penalty for the first murder of a child's innocence and violent abuse of his/her body. It would stop them from raping and moving on to murder more of our children. It really isn't such a far-fetched concept, and these preverts aren't good for anything anyway.
Absolutely!
No child should have to suffer at the hands of a sexual predator or physical abuser. This poor little girl may never heal after enduring such an ordeal.
(I hope the bastage is arrested, convicted and tortured for the rest of his lousy life.)

As far as the child playing alone, today is a beautiful sunny, warm, afternoon in my town. While driving home after running errands, I saw at least 3 children playing in their front yards alone. I've lived in my neighborhood for over 20 years and raised both my girls here. I NEVER let them play outside alone....never, ever.
BUT I'm not going to blame this little girls mother for the child's rape and kidnapping. WHAT if their neighborhood was safe.....safe until today? The mother cannot bare the cross because of that.

God bless this child and may she had a speedy and whole recovery.
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Old 09-22-2007, 03:41 PM
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I'm pretty sure it's because of damage done to her as a result of her sexual assault. Little girls aren't supposed to have things like that happen. Poor thing.
Ohhh thanks. that is horrible!!
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Old 09-22-2007, 03:52 PM
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BUT I'm not going to blame this little girls mother for the child's rape and kidnapping. WHAT if their neighborhood was safe.....safe until today? The mother cannot bare the cross because of that.


Hi Philamena-

I wasn't blaming the Mom earlier- I am sure she felt her daughter was safe in her own yard. I was commenting on the fact that the neighbor-even after this- said for the time being* her daughter couldn't play out front.

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Old 09-22-2007, 04:19 PM
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Hi Philamena-

I wasn't blaming the Mom earlier- I am sure she felt her daughter was safe in her own yard. I was commenting on the fact that the neighbor-even after this- said for the time being* her daughter couldn't play out front.

*paraphrasing
it is sad but it is a fact. nowhere is safe. even if no pervert lives near you i am 100% sure 1 lives with in driving distance. when i was a child i could play on my dead end dirt road and go to bed every night feeling safe in my sleep from perverts. John Couey is proof that is not true today. mark klaas lived in a nice area. the sicko owned a car and that is all it took. Samantha Runnion was thought to be safe in her own yard. i can not blame these parents for thinking their child was safe. i blame all of us. all three of these sick killers should have been off the streets. until we as a nation stand up and scream enough these guys will keep going. we can not always protect kids from the perves we dont know about but we should atleast be able to protect them from repeat offenders.
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Hopefully this girl is young enough she will be able to forget about this horrific experience. I am unaware of the law in Oklamhoma, but this certainly warrants the death penalty in my book.

There is a town near us where a little girl was kidnapped and raped, however she was killed. Her body was found a few houses down in a house that was under construction. It has been about a year and they have yet to have a suspect. Personally, I think her dad did it. He is in jail for child porn found on his computer. We haven't had another assult since hers. Dad in jail....maybe it was him.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pb...EGORY=NEWS1202
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The question I still have is not about whether she was alone in the yard, but whether the parents at least realized she was missing before the pervert had time to snatch her, rape her, beat and torture her, then drive to a secluded area 8 miles away to dump her. Add in who knows how long it was before she was discovered stumbling along the road, and you have a very significant amount of time for a five year old to go unaccounted for.

I agree that all it only takes a brief moment to snatch a small child out of her yard, and that could happen even if the parent is nearby. I am just wondering if the reporter who wrote the story chose to leave out any details regarding a period of time between the kidnapping and rescue, or if no one realized the child had been taken until she was found.

The only difference this could have made would be that if news of the kidnapping had been released to patrol officers or even announced on the radio, people out and about the neighborhood would have been more alert to remember unfamiliar vehicles dumping a child on a dead end road. Maybe we would have a better description of the prevert or his vehicle.

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I surely understand your concerns. I was just pointing out that different parents have different comfort levels. At 5 both my sons were allowed out in the fenced backyard with our big dog by themselves. Our yard is set up so that I could see them easily from most any room, so I was comfortable with that. Some parents wouldn't be!
I would be comfortable with that, as long as I could see them and hear them.
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Hopefully this girl is young enough she will be able to forget about this horrific experience. I am unaware of the law in Oklamhoma, but this certainly warrants the death penalty in my book.

There is a town near us where a little girl was kidnapped and raped, however she was killed. Her body was found a few houses down in a house that was under construction. It has been about a year and they have yet to have a suspect. Personally, I think her dad did it. He is in jail for child porn found on his computer. We haven't had another assult since hers. Dad in jail....maybe it was him.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pb...EGORY=NEWS1202
This is a little surprising (the Coralrose Fullwood case) because it was announced way back that the DNA on her body did not match the father or any family members. He could still be involved in some way, perhaps arranging something with another perv, but I thought they had the DNA results back already.

Back to this 5 year old. I hope the perp left DNA and there is a match in CODIS.
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TGIRecovered, I wonder about the length of time before she was missed, too. Hopefully it was not for very long.
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I would be comfortable with that, as long as I could see them and hear them.
Yeah, I think most people who saw my yard/house/neighborhood situation would be. Now - that's not to say there aren't dangerous people close by - just that people have different levels of comfort with their kids outdoors alone. I want my kids to be comfortable alone and not scared in the world. That's very important to me. That doesn't mean I have my head in the sand and don't talk to them about real dangers.
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I wasn't blaming the Mom earlier- I am sure she felt her daughter was safe in her own yard. I was commenting on the fact that the neighbor-even after this- said for the time being* her daughter couldn't play out front.

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No no no, lol.
Didn't mean for my post to sound like it was aimed at you. I only want people to refrain from attacking this child's mother.
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No no no, lol.
Didn't mean for my post to sound like it was aimed at you. I only want people to refrain from attacking this child's mother.
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The entire thread makes me ill. Prayers for this tiny child to give MORE information that will assist in finding the perpetrator.

DNA should be a HUGE factor in this case in bringing the so and so to justice.

I am wondering IF the tiny child will be so traumatized that she will be unable to give more details???? I HOPE NOT.

Pray they find him soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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