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Old 05-23-2008, 01:33 PM
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Has anyone ever been able to establish whether either of them had an accent?
(like the guy from the campground)

IMO, that info would be HUGE. Esp if they might have been from a place where Spanish or French is the primary language.

And how were their English skills? Did they sound like native speakers?
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I wish I knew....However I dont think they throughly investigated the tip that came from the campground guy. David Batson I think his name was per the article, and I think his wifes name was Janie. However David Batson is now deceased. I would LOVE to find someone from their family or the man who owned the murder weapon, Lonnie George Henry, ans ask them if they ever spoke about this and what did they say.

You Know how family stories get told and re-told and someone in the family might know what they said about these two .

Family Folklore I like to think of it as LOL.....

But its seems feasable to me thay someone in their families might know something that they were told about this back in 1976 and never knew it was something relavent. They might hold that small piece of information that might solve this and they dont even know it....

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Old 05-23-2008, 04:03 PM
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Its ME AGAIN!!!

I was thinking about a new bit of information from the article that I had never heard before.

That was the information regarding the lead from the KOA guy he stated not only that the guy said his name was Jock and he was from Canada AND his dad was a doctor and he had basically disowend him BUT it went on to say he indicated he was a TEACHER.

The has never been mentioned before and I think it is a good lead. He had to have taught somebody somewhere....

That is he the story he gave were true. Also, I think that even though the KOA registration records and photos burnt in their house fire, wouldnt the man KNEW at least what kind of car they drove. And what they camped in a tent or a camper or a VAN?

So MANY unanswered questions and alot of the people involved in the beginning are deceased....
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That was the information regarding the lead from the KOA guy he stated not only that the guy said his name was Jock and he was from Canada AND his dad was a doctor and he had basically disowend him BUT it went on to say he indicated he was a TEACHER.
I zeroed in on that too, I had never heard that before the article either. I have since been searching on some online Canadian class reunion sites and trying to find old online yearbooks focusing on Quebec. I haven't had any luck. It's almost impossible to search because of not knowing FOR SURE where he is from. But I'm going to keep trying to search to see if I can't find some old yearbook with a picture of him as a faculty member.
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good idea mary beth, good luck
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Old 06-04-2008, 09:22 AM
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I was thinking since it has been said maybe they were in the witness protection program. But Maybe they WERE witnesses, but not in any program. I see it happens alot were witnesses take off for fear of retribution. I was looking at Missing witnesses, or missing witness, during that time frame and there is ALOT to look thru.
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I'm not able to get the link provided in post #68 to work (the recent story in The National Post); it says the story is no longer available. Does anyone have a copy of it saved or know of any alternate, mirror site?

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Old 06-04-2008, 04:57 PM
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The couple nobody claimed
Adrian Humphreys, National Post Published: Friday, April 04, 2008
It was after midnight on Aug. 9, 1976, when a young man and woman - she "slender, attractive" and he "well-developed, well-nourished" - stepped from the back of a van on a secluded, dirt road in South Carolina.
There, beneath the longleaf pine trees, they were both shot twice in the back. Someone then made sure the deed was thorough: rolling the two onto their backs and firing a point-blank shot with a .357-calibre handgun under each chin.
When the sun rose over Sumter County, in the heart of the southern state, a truck driver spotted the bodies lying in the grass some 400 metres from a busy interstate highway, their limbs cocked at awkward angles, mouths frozen in an apparent gasp.
By 6:20 a.m., officers with the Sumter County Sheriff's Office were probing what would become their most vexing mystery.
They found no wallet or purse and, as such, no identification.
The couple lay side by side in the morgue while officials waited for grieving parents, expected to burst through the door at any moment once news sped through the county of 70,000.
After days without anyone coming forward, the bodies were moved to a funeral home and placed in airtight coffins with windows in the lids to allow visual identification. A few tearful people came looking for missing loved ones but no one recognized the bodies. In time, they were moved to a storage building.
A year later, the Sheriff pushed his parish to make room in its cemetery; the couple, estimated to be between 18 and 26 years old, was buried beneath decorative tombstones - "Male-Unknown" and "Female-Unknown" their only designation.
After three decades, their identities remain a mystery.
From the old case file, however, emerges what may be the most promising clue: Authorities now believe they came from Canada after the man feuded with his father, who was a doctor, because he would not pursue a career in medicine.
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Verna Moore remembers the day the two bodies were found. As an assistant to the coroner at the time, she combed their matted hair before a photographer took their pictures.
"The thing that impressed me about her was her beautiful, long eyelashes. You don't often see them like that," Ms. Moore said.
"They were clean. They had no drugs or alcohol in them. They had nice jewellery on. They had stayed someplace the night before and taken showers. That impressed everybody. You couldn't say they were hitchhiking or living on the streets."
She has never forgotten the case. Now at age 81 and having since been elected chief coroner, Ms. Moore wants to reunite the couple with their relatives before she retires.
At the Sumter County Sheriff's Office she has found a ready partner.
"The case went cold, so far as their identity is concerned," said Sergeant Ray Mackessy, who is in charge of police evidence storage. "It had just been in a box on the shelf, and it laid there for years and years."
Much work had been done and some mistakes made.
Perhaps the best chance for solving the mystery came four months after the murder when a South Carolina man was arrested for drinking and driving. Under his car seat police found a .357-calibre handgun. Tests linked it to the slayings. The man with the gun, Lonnie George Henry, was asked about the murders while hooked up to a lie detector and the experts declared he was telling the truth when he said he did not kill them; he was, however, lying about where he got the gun.
Police were sure he knew more than he was saying.
"No charges were ever laid in it, and he has since gone on to his just reward," said Sgt. Mackessy.
Mr. Henry died in 1982, without revealing his secrets.
"We're obviously not going to get a prosecution in this," Ms. Moore said. "I just want to find out who they are."
Ms. Moore and Sgt. Mackessy have retraced the case as best they can but leads are dwindling. Their hopes now rest on Canada.
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There have been many guesses over the decades as to what brought the young couple to Sumter County. Some have suggested they were in the Witness Protection Program. Others suspected they were couriering drugs up from Florida. Victims of a deadly carjacking was a popular theory. Others whispered that their parents might have had them bumped off.
"There are all kinds of guesses all really based on nothing," said Sgt. Mackessy. "It's like they came here from another planet."
Or, as investigators now believe, Canada.
"Even after all these years I realized there were things that had not come out and not followed up on. It never came out that he said he was from Canada," Ms. Moore said.
The Canadian connection comes from a four-page report found in the evidence box, written a year after the murders by Lieutenant James E. Gamble of the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division.
Lt. Gamble received a phone call from a man named David Batson who said he recognized the dead man. Mr. Batson's wife, Janie, worked at a nearby KOA Campground, the report says. While at the campground, Mr. Batson met a young man and woman who said they were passing through on their way to Florida. A few days later, they returned to the campground, telling Mr. Batson that they liked it there more than in Florida. They stayed at the KOA for a couple of weeks and Mr. Batson shot pool with the man several times. He later believed his pool partner was the mystery victim.
"The man was called Jock," says Lt. Gamble's report.
"He stated that he believed the man had mentioned he was from Canada; that he had formerly been a schoolteacher and that his father was a medical doctor. He further stated that the man told him that his family had practically disowned him because they had wanted him so badly to be a doctor."
One evening as they played pool, "Jock" tried to sell Mr. Batson a ring he was wearing. The ring looked "very similar" to one police found on the dead man's finger, Mr. Batson said.
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The possible name is intriguing because on the underside of the dead man's ring are three engraved letters: JPF. If the letters are the three initials of his name, then perhaps the J stands for Jock; or, as a private investigator working on the case, suggests: If the man was from Canada, perhaps it is "Jacques" rather than "Jock."
Mr. Batson's tantalizing tip, however, seemed to get lost.
"There is nothing in the file to indicate they followed up on that information about Canada," Sgt. Mackessy said.
Both Lt. Gamble and Mr. Batson have since died and the KOA has closed. Ms. Moore, however, tracked down the former KOA owners. They told her they kept detailed records on campers - including names, addresses and even photographs. Those records, however, had been destroyed when their home burned.
"I can't tell you how disappointing that was," she said.
The elaborate dental work on the young male victim also seemed a promising lead, but when Sgt. Mackessy looked for the teeth they were missing. A note in the file said they had been sent to a dentist for analysis. When they tracked down the dentist, he said he had given the teeth to the local school for training purposes. School officials said they had recently been disposed of.
Ms. Moore next convinced the television show Unsolved Mysteries to feature the case. That prompted 200 calls, which were pursued without success.
In recent years, a small army of volunteers has sprung up to help Ms. Moore. One local woman hopes to write a book about the case; another writes poetry inspired by it. Psychics have offered their musings and several amateur online sleuths have created Web sites to publicize the case.
Ms. Hutchison, the private investigator, scoured lists of Canadian doctors practising in 1976, looking for a possible father to the dead man. She found a Montreal physician who bore a striking resemblance.
Ms. Moore phoned him and asked if he had a missing son. He said he did not.
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Medical science might still play a part in putting names to the victims. Last summer, the two coffins were dug up.
When Dr. Keene Garvin, a forensic pathologist, learned whom he was going to be exhuming he was surprised. Back in 1976 he helped perform their autopsies.
"They were fresh and in good condition - they could have had an open casket funeral. They were a young, handsome couple; they had money. I remember saying somebody would identify this couple immediately," he said.
"I was shocked to find they were never identified."
Both were white, with olive tones to their skin and were between 18 and 26 years old.
She was 5-foot-6, weighed about 105 pounds and had brown hair, blue-grey eyes, long eyelashes and two small moles to the left of her mouth. She wore a white blouse over a peach halter top and blue Levi's jeans cut off into shorts with a floral scarf as a belt. She wore purple and pink wedge shoes and three silver rings with embedded gems.
He was just over 6 feet and weighed about 150 pounds. He had brown hair, brown eyes and bushy eyebrows. He was undergoing extensive dental reconstruction and had two scars on his left shoulder. He wore a red Coors T-shirt, blue jeans and brown sandals. He had a Bulova Accutron gold watch and a gold ring with a gem and the engraved letters JPF.
Their autopsy notes describe the couple simply: "slender, attractive" and "well-developed, well-nourished."
Three decades after he first saw them, Dr. Garvin once again returned to the couple's remains. He took bone samples he hopes will yield DNA.
Without something to compare the DNA with, however, it will be of little help. That means hope in Sumter County again turns to Canada.
"If someone in Canada came forward and said, 'I think that is my brother or sister,' or whatever, then we could obtain an oral sample from them to compare. It's our best bet," Sgt. Mackessy said.
Added Ms. Moore: "I cannot understand how two young people disappeared from somewhere and that their parents would not be looking for them. It is unreal that after all this time - it will be 32 years this summer - that nobody seems to be looking for them."
Or maybe they have just been looking in all the wrong places.
Do you recognize these people? Anyone with information about the victims can phone Verna Moore, coroner, at 803-436-2111.
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Old 06-04-2008, 09:28 PM
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Thanks!

The idea that they might have been in the Witness Protection Program is interesting. However, one would assume that the government would have claimed the bodies?

That is was a professional "hit" seems beyond question from my reading of the case facts. Amateur violence is usually more messy. Also, the fact that there was no attempt to hide the bodies suggests to me that their deaths were meant to be a message to someone or to some group in the community.

It's a sad case.

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Old 06-07-2008, 10:53 PM
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I know this is REALLY far off...

But he WAS a teacher... Might not hurt to contact his sister, maybe Brian had some scars that she didnt mention on the website... I dont know!

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Case File 3663DMAB


Brian Guberman
Missing since June, 1974 from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Classification: Missing



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Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: March 21, 1947
Age at Time of Disappearance: 27 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'10"; 185 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White male. Dark brown hair; brown eyes.
Marks, Scars: Small bluish birth marks on fleshy part of thumb, palm side.


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Circumstances of Disappearance
Brian was born in Winnipeg, Manitoba, and grew up with his parents, two sisters and grandmother on Enniskillen Avenue in Winnipeg's north end.
He graduated from Garden City Collegiate and the Universities of Winnipeg and Manitoba with a Bachelor's of Arts Degree and a Teacher's Certificate.
After graduation, Brian traveled extensively in Europe, returning to Winnipeg to teach at Hugh John McDonald Jr. High School. Brian had an active career as an actor and as a singer/guitarist. He appeared in several productions at the Rainbow Stage Theatre in the early 1970's.
In 1973 Brian moved to Edmonton, Alberta, where he worked in social services for the Big Sister's Organizaion.
In 1974 he renewed his passport and in June 1974, he wrote his last letter home to his family in Winnipeg saying that he was planning to do some traveling and maybe he would see them soon. Brian was never heard from again.



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Edmonton RCMP
780-421-3333

Agency Case Number: 60-246-74 and 78-2015
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Old 06-07-2008, 11:10 PM
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Strange, I know a Batson family. I wonder how unusual that name is? I will check into it and see if they recall a David Batson in that area. Maybe he told the family more about the encounter than was reported. Worth a shot anyway.

Thanks for posting the article as the one a couple of pages back was already taken off the site.
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Old 06-08-2008, 03:20 PM
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FYI: Brian Guberman was ruled out as the John Doe.
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FYI: Brian Guberman was ruled out as the John Doe.
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Old 06-09-2008, 09:54 AM
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I wonder if these 2 have been eliminated.


Terry and her husband, Ron Yakimchuk left Edmonton, Alberta on June 9, 1973 to head east to Montreal, in a battered Volkswagen Beetle. They were going to attend a wedding on June 16, 1973, then head to the Maritimes, where Ron hoped to land a teaching position and Terry, an Edmonton Journal reporter, intended to seek work as a journalist. En route, they stopped to visit friends near Brandon.

The next day, they stopped in Dryden, Ontario, and mailed a one-word postcard to Edmonton. They did not come to the wedding and have never been seen or heard of since.
They traveled in a 1959 Volkswagen Beetle, red with a green hood, green fender and Alberta licence CA3-262. The car was filled with a white, three-metre kayak and boxes of clothes, books and household goods.
Their bank accounts have never been touched and their Volkswagen has never shown up anywhere. Ron's life insurance has never been collected. The couple has never been declared dead.
There was talk the couple was planning to go to Europe, but police say only Terry had a passport. They may have decided against staying on the narrow, hilly Trans-Canada Highway and headed south, crossing the U.S. border at International Falls and on to Duluth, MN. It's unclear whether police ever checked on that possibility, or if there are records of their entry into the U.S. Terry is described as an early feminist, a rabble-rouser and a free spirit who drank scotch whisky, rolled her own cigarettes and dragged pals off on adventures. Friends say she often acted on impulse. Terry graduated from high school at 16, took a year of engineering, then switched to arts. But she quit school in 1969 and joined The Journal as a proofreader, eventually working her way onto the reporting staff.
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Maybe...

I guess the facts and ages seem right...but they look...I don't know, better dead? I am saying the bodies look like extremely attractive people, while the photos here do not. Gosh, that sounds terrible...

But I have to admit, I like the facts around the case...
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I did this side by side of the,, You can really see how much alike they look on the profile pic. Their Noses look Just alike to me, You can really get a better feel for how they looked with these additional picsd and different views. Their lips and teeth look the same to me, Wouldnt it be weird if they were fraternal twins. ;But at the least I feel they are related, brother & sister or maybe cousins.


I wanted to do a some overlay pics to see how their features line up. However, Im on a tight schedule today and cant do it right now. Can someone else???

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I did this side by side of the,, You can really see how much alike they look on the profile pic. Their Noses look Just alike to me, You can really get a better feel for how they looked with these additional picsd and different views. Their lips and teeth look the same to me, Wouldnt it be weird if they were fraternal twins. ;But at the least I feel they are related, brother & sister or maybe cousins.


I wanted to do a some overlay pics to see how their features line up. However, Im on a tight schedule today and cant do it right now. Can someone else???

I can't open the link.
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The Yakimchuks were ruled out a while back.
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Here is the SIde by Side

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Has the DNA tests ever come back yet? I still think they look like brother and sister. I will be surprised if they are not related.
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They do have a resemblance. Where did the other pics come from?
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I am amazed still that this couple has never been identified. There has been some conjecture that perhaps Jock/Jacques is of French Canadian background and was perhaps a teacher. It may be that they are from Acadia, as in the martimes such as New Brunswick or PEI rather than the province of Quebec. I have tried to do a bit of search for missing persons in these areas but not having much success in bringing up any kind of data base. Shall keep trying.
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Thanks for your thoughts on this, it is very interesting! There is going to be more media coverage of this case in Canada. It is being written about again in a major publication's August issue, so perhaps that will reach a larger audience as well.
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They do have a resemblance. Where did the other pics come from?
The National Post of Canada did an article in April and those photos were in that piece. Unfortunately, the article itself can't be accessed anymore, although the link is on the third page of this thread, post #68. You can still read the article though, phenolred copied it just above in post #108.
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Bullock unseats Moore in race for coroner

Harvin Bullock won the Democratic primary Tuesday, unseating Verna Moore to become Sumter County coroner. Bullock, a Sumter County businessman, won the election by an unofficial tally of 3,217 votes, or 52.16 percent, to 2,950 votes, or 47.84 percent. The vote will be confirmed on Thursday.


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