Found Safe WA-NICHOLAS FRANCISCO, 28, Seattle WA 2/13/08 #4

[curiousmom1177]

Originally Posted by kgeaux

THis is such a weird case. LE seem to be backing off because of lack of evidence of a crime; no member of NIc's extended family has stepped forward to function as spokesperson, leaving all the pressure on his wife who is pregnant, mothering two small ones, trying to deal with his disappearance and finances and everything else the world is hurling at her; his place of business has the finances to really publicize this and they aren't.....it's just weird.

There's reasons that they've backed off this case. It is weird. If they have reason to believe that there was no foul play, then there's the reason the family is not stepping forward to be spokesperson.

Originally Posted by kgeaux

Most cases where we've questioned the spouse, there has been some REASON, substantial or not, to do so. Wife disappear from her home, last seen in the presence of the husband, police declare him a person of interest, of course you suspect him! This case has a wife at home, a man who disappears after work, police are NOT calling Christine a "POI."

Other differences: people are questioning her asking for money, when she did not ask. Others set up the funds for her. People are laughing at, making fun of, pulling apart and being critical about her PRAYER REQUESTS. These are PERSONAL ATTACKS, and these are only two examples of many, many personal attacks.

Her prayer requests were for a house, a three bedroom, or two bedroom with den, low rent HOUSE. Only in the after math of the prayer-request-bashing did she say 'oh, of course, please pray for Nick's return'. If that's not reason to look at Christine and question her (even if LE is not), I don't know what is.

Originally Posted by kgeaux

I am LOL at Urquhart's statement....Two kids and a baby on the way is a "hell of a big family?" He'd go into shock if he saw MY family!

It's a hell of a family for a 28 year old couple.

Originally Posted by kgeaux

I think you've made some errors, grandma. Christine did not set up the donation funds. That was done for others. She WAS honest about her financial situation, and LE released that information to the public as well as her when she was asked during interviews. And yes, she has asked for help finding Nic. (Not getting what the problem is here!) And yes, when someone said "what can I pray for you?" Christine answered "We need a home we can afford." THAT IS A PRAYER REQUEST. She did not go on TV and say "Grandma, kgeaux, Websleuth posters! Please give me a house!" She answered a friend who wanted to pray for her.....one answer, too, not repeatedly!

I think the first thing to ask someone to pray for is not a house (she has one, that IMO she should be fighting tooth and nail to keep), but for her HUSBAND to be safe.

[Danesgrandma]

my daughter is 27 and has 4 kids, I had three by the time I was 28 what is the bid deal with three kids. does no one believe in having children anymore????? my husband is number 6 our of 11 kids his dad never left

[Danesgrandma]

also Kgeaux, she did not just ask for prayer for a house she could afford but she asked for a 3 bedroom 2 bath with a den, just what she got, not a three bedroom 1 bath, not a three bedroom without the den, not anything but what she asked for, sounded a little planned to me.

[curiousmom1177]

Originally Posted by Danesgrandma

my daughter is 27 and has 4 kids, I had three by the time I was 28 what is the bid deal with three kids. does no one believe in having children anymore????? my husband is number 6 our of 11 kids his dad never left

I think people now (more than in the '90s) believe in having kids, and more of them! I think it's just more the norm of this generation (mine, and people around my age - I'm 30) that kids happen later. I just had my first last year.

It may sound rude of me, but it doesn't seem financially responsible to have kids when you can't afford them - if the Franciscos are in such a dire financial situation, why have more kids?

Right, right, the church says so...

[Danesgrandma]

you can NEVER afford kids

[Mygirlsadie]

Yeah the whole big family thing was kind of weird to me too considering hubby and I had 4 kids by the age of 23. I would have more if I could but financially it's not a good idea for us so we are done but I really don't even think 4 kids is that much. I know people with 5 & 6... and to KGEAUX you made some very valid points on your last post here & I wanted to say thank you it's nice to see some people still want to show respect and maturity on the Nicholas boards.

[dangermouse]

I thought Urquhart was talking about Nicholas' *extended* family when he made reference to having "a hell of a big family" - meaning that he could have left to go live with any of them.

Here is the full quote from the article again:

"If you're going to your home in Sea-Tac, you would not go to Federal Way," Urquhart said, adding that discovery of the car suggests Francisco may have taken off on his own. "He's got some financial problems, according to the wife," he said. "He's got a hell of a big family. ... He could have left on his own."

from the link: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4325797&page=1

[RhondaIL]

Originally Posted by dangermouse

I thought Urquhart was talking about Nicholas' *extended* family when he made reference to having "a hell of a big family" - meaning that he could have left to go live with any of them.

Here is the full quote from the article again:

"If you're going to your home in Sea-Tac, you would not go to Federal Way," Urquhart said, adding that discovery of the car suggests Francisco may have taken off on his own. "He's got some financial problems, according to the wife," he said. "He's got a hell of a big family. ... He could have left on his own."

from the link: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4325797&page=1

I think he was talking about NF's extended family also. jmo

[Roxanne]

Originally Posted by dangermouse

I thought Urquhart was talking about Nicholas' *extended* family when he made reference to having "a hell of a big family" - meaning that he could have left to go live with any of them.

Here is the full quote from the article again:

"If you're going to your home in Sea-Tac, you would not go to Federal Way," Urquhart said, adding that discovery of the car suggests Francisco may have taken off on his own. "He's got some financial problems, according to the wife," he said. "He's got a hell of a big family. ... He could have left on his own."

from the link: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4325797&page=1

Hell of a big family follows his statement about "financial problems"...what does his extended family have to do with financial problems. IMO, Nicholas freaked when Christine told him about #3.

[Danesgrandma]

IMO Federal Way and the finding of the car where it was proves nothing. it is just where the car was found. not really a clue to anything. could mean car jacking, could mean he ran off,could mean someone killed him there, could mean someone killed him somewhere else and drove the car there.

[Danesgrandma]

she was also preggo back in June or July and had a miscarage. so why didnt he leave back then? also if he was going to just leave her he had all 9 months in which to do it. why leave when she might just have another miscarage? it was very early in the pregnancy for him to freek? does not make sence to me.

[Danesgrandma]

Financial problems follow you everywhere you go unless you were to leave the country under a new name. Possibility? maybe, but just running off in the uS isnt going to do him any good he will be found and then be charged with back child support and everything that goes along with that fun senerio.so I dont think he just ran off by himself

[Danesgrandma]

I still think someone from work knows something there not saying. or someone from the church knows something there not saying

[newkid]

Originally Posted by christine2448

Uhhhh, I think that would be newkid, who started it, Windy went with Thread #2 at 07 and me Thread #3

I fixed 'em.

Yep, that was me . I'm still writing the wrong date on things.

And WOW, a whole lot happened while I was at work. A secret life? Whoa! I wonder what "publicly" means to LE, since the statements aren't anywhere else. Just that she told them that? Also makes me wonder if they found something in the car to back that up.

I never thought anything was unusual about the size of the Francisco family. I had my fourth at age 30 and having the kids close together, they're great friends.

I can't even guess where Nicholas Francisco might be, but the secret life thing could explain a lot, like where his family (or her family) is in all of this and why everything seems to have died off.

[Roxanne]

Originally Posted by Danesgrandma

I still think someone from work knows something there not saying. or someone from the church knows something there not saying

I think he met someone on the internet...

[DeltaDawn]

Originally Posted by Roxanne

I think he met someone on the internet...

That is exactly what I think too Roxanne..he met someone on the internet and they took off together on Valentine's day to start a new life.

I think Christine found out about his secret life about the time she was asking people to let her know if they found him on the interent, what names he used, what places he posted. Then that was followed by the TV news interview where she is very pointed about saying that someone out there knows something and she needs to know what they know. Infact I think that may have been the last TV interview.

His secret life came to the for then, coupled I think with what the phone records showed. Even a few friends at work believed he did just walked off. When you work with someone 8 hours a day you get to know them very well.

I think that it is very possible that person and he are in Canada now and he will not returning.

[Roxanne]

Good summary DD...I agree

ETA...and if that happened, it's pretty crappy to disappear on your kids. He'll never be happy until he resolves that issue.

[RhondaIL]

Originally Posted by dangermouse

I thought Urquhart was talking about Nicholas' *extended* family when he made reference to having "a hell of a big family" - meaning that he could have left to go live with any of them.

Here is the full quote from the article again:

"If you're going to your home in Sea-Tac, you would not go to Federal Way," Urquhart said, adding that discovery of the car suggests Francisco may have taken off on his own. "He's got some financial problems, according to the wife," he said. "He's got a hell of a big family. ... He could have left on his own."

from the link: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4325797&page=1

The financial problems went from "we are broke" in a very early video interview on King.com (that is no longer available) to their debt is no different than any other American family.

IMO, LE would have looked at their financial records. Odd that LE says "He's got some financial problems, according to the wife"

[twinkiesmom]

Has anyone figured out this mysterious line of thought from In Sessions NF board:

person changes name at the age of 22

some records somewhere indicate that there was a guardian ad litem appointed for this person at, or around, the age of 22

the name change indicates that the 22 year old took the name of the guardian ad litem

The poster talking in riddles (to avoid thread shutdown, no doubt) says it's not Nick he/she is referring to.

[DeltaDawn]

What was Christine's maiden name..I'm not sure I have ever heard her name.

Could it be that Christine is the one with the name change and why a guardian at the age of 22?

[Roxanne]

Originally Posted by DeltaDawn

What was Christine's maiden name..I'm not sure I have ever heard her name.

Could it be that Christine is the one with the name change and why a guardian at the age of 22?

Fox is her maiden name.

The name change was for a male....NOT Nicholas. I have no clue where that's going LOL.

[murdershewrote]

not to nitpic, but it seems funny that she wouldn't have said "we've got some financial problems" rather than he's got them. She seemed to want to separate his problems from her/their problems...but maybe just a slip of the tongue.

Any indication of a gambling problem (maybe on line)?

[RhondaIL]

Originally Posted by DeltaDawn

What was Christine's maiden name..I'm not sure I have ever heard her name.

Could it be that Christine is the one with the name change and why a guardian at the age of 22?

I don't think it is Christine because http://boards.insessiontrials.com/sh...1#post11433741 asks

Why would an approx 22-yr old male legally change his surname to that of his guardian-ad-litem? Why does someone of legal age need a guardian?

[DeltaDawn]

http://voxpopnetwork.com/westseattle...las-francisco/

1. snip/
2. Following the case says:
3. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2083778&postcount=476
4. Something tells me Nicholas Francisco will soon be back from his “secret life” with a good chunk of change from donations and a rent free home waiting for him. Sorry, I calls it like I see it *shrugs*
5. /snip

Looks like all hell is about to break loose , since this was posted on the MH web site last night. I wonder what Christine's response will be?

[Roxanne]

Originally Posted by DeltaDawn;2086021[*

Something tells me Nicholas Francisco will soon be back from his “secret life” with a good chunk of change from donations and a rent free home waiting for him. Sorry, I calls it like I see it *shrugs*

I don't get the feeling this was a scam by Nicholas and Christine to get out of debt. Interesting.