Sharon Marshall - #3 - Page 10

shadowangel · #**226** 07-20-2008, 12:49 PM

I don't really see any change myself, other than the lighting and of course some sagging due to age.

As I recall, Floyd has a small circular tattoo on his upper arm.

I have had a concern in regard to the conviction, after reading some of the available transcripts and Floyd's various and numerous appeals. His conviction was based in large part on the photos that were discovered, showing his torture of Cheryl C. There was no direct evidence that he in fact killed her. The murder weapon was never recovered. I've wondered if in fact Floyd did pull the trigger...Or had someone else do it for him.

If the DA felt the death penalty slipping away in this case on appeal, Sharon's identity could be a bargaining chip to getting Floyd to agree to life without parole in exchange for not seeking a new trial. As far as I'm concerned, Floyd can rot slowly in prison for the next 20 years if we can give Sharon her real name and a proper burial.

Matt Birkbeck · #**227** 07-20-2008, 07:34 PM

Some of you recall my previous web site was hacked into and we had to shut it down.

I have a new one going up the end of the month and it will feature a blog with, among other things, updates on the search for Sharon's identity.

You can visit at www.mattbirkbeck.com

Also, I'm trying to recall who fed me the lead on Christina Carter last fall. If it came from someone here please PM me and refresh my memory.

Nocgirl · #**228** 07-21-2008, 12:53 AM

Hi everyone, I thought I posted some questions on this case but apparantly it did not take so I'll try again. Sorry if these have already been asked but this thread is sooo long.

1) Why wasn't Floyd ever charged with Michael Hughes disappearance and subsequent murder? Although no body was found it seems likely that he killed the little boy.

2) Why wasn't he charged with the murder of Sharon from the hit and run? Did investigators inspect his car after the accident? There had to have been some evidence on the car that he was the one that hit her.

3) Doesn't it seem most likely he killed Sharon's mother, that is how he got her in the first place?

4) Was this the last name she had, is that why she is known as Sharon and not by the other many aliases she had?

This whole case makes me sick. I cannot believe Floyd is only on Death Row for 1 murder...he likely killed many more. What a sicko.

shadowangel · #**229** 07-21-2008, 11:09 AM

Nocgirl-
In response to your questions...

1. He was charged and convicted for Michael's kidnapping.

2. Police could not tie him to the hit-and-run with any physical evidence, as the evidence found at the scene did not match the vehicle he was driving at the time.

3. That he killed Sharon's mother is one of many theories. It's also possible he kidnapped her...Received her in trade...Was given Sharon as a "gift"...The list of possibilities is nearly endless.

4. The last name she went by was Tonya Hughes. "Sharon" just seems the name that most have settled on to call her. For me, I prefer Sharon because it seems this was the happiest (if I can use that word) and most stable time of her life. High school, JROTC, the GA Tech scholarship...It's how I prefer to remember her.

We may never know the true extent of Floyd's crimes. What we do know is enough to earn him his own special place in Hell. In my opinion, of course.

Nocgirl · #**230** 07-21-2008, 02:52 PM

Thank you.

He was only charged with Michael's kidnapping though and not murder? Eveyone knows he likely killed the boy. Poor little boy.

pixies · #**231** 07-21-2008, 03:05 PM

This is a case where some people should look the other way while some prison guard works him over with a club until he gives the answers about Sharon and Michael.

He is a pedophile who should not be protected.

Cubby · #**232** 07-21-2008, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pixies

This is a case where some people should look the other way while some prison guard works him over with a club until he gives the answers about Sharon and Michael.

He is a pedophile who should not be protected.

No kidding. He must be in protective custody. Surely if he was in the general population another inmate would have some knowledge of this case - I think.

pixies · #**233** 07-21-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cubby

No kidding. He must be in protective custody. Surely if he was in the general population another inmate would have some knowledge of this case - I think.

I am just sick by all the people who did not try to help Sharon. I am sick! I am angry at her best friends parents for knowing something was wrong and not helping her. I am angry at the teachers who did nothing. I am angry at all the boyfriends who knew and just wanted her for sex.
And I am also angry at Sharon for knowing what a pedophile pervert he was and yet she still left her son alone with him while she worked. Was she scared? Yeah!! No doubt but as a mom your insticts are to protect your child.

It's just so sad.

CuriousInAtlanta · #**234** 07-21-2008, 05:24 PM

Matt- per your request:

i am the one who contacted youi and christina's family regarding a possible link between christina carter and sharon marshall. I still have the original emails to prove it.

I can be reached by PM here or at the email account i have sent to you via Private message here.

please contact me if you have heard anything!

thank you
CuriousInAtlanta

not_my_kids · #**235** 07-22-2008, 12:47 AM

Sorry to bring this up but anyone else NOT see any resemblance between Sharon MArshall and Christina Carter? It's just not there. They are not the same person. Period. I wish the DNA would hurry up so we can put that part of it to rest.

lilacwine · #**236** 07-22-2008, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by pixies

I am just sick by all the people who did not try to help Sharon. I am sick! I am angry at her best friends parents for knowing something was wrong and not helping her. I am angry at the teachers who did nothing. I am angry at all the boyfriends who knew and just wanted her for sex.
And I am also angry at Sharon for knowing what a pedophile pervert he was and yet she still left her son alone with him while she worked. Was she scared? Yeah!! No doubt but as a mom your insticts are to protect your child.

It's just so sad.

Considering that Sharon was taken as a young child and completely degraded and abused... I'm not sure she could be expected to react as someone who has experienced a "normal" life. I think she did the best she could under the circumstances....

We can second guess her now, but I don't think I would have survived as long as she did considering that torture and abuse were all she ever knew in her life.

Just my thoughts.....

gaia227 · #**237** 07-22-2008, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by pixies

I am just sick by all the people who did not try to help Sharon. I am sick! I am angry at her best friends parents for knowing something was wrong and not helping her. I am angry at the teachers who did nothing. I am angry at all the boyfriends who knew and just wanted her for sex.
And I am also angry at Sharon for knowing what a pedophile pervert he was and yet she still left her son alone with him while she worked. Was she scared? Yeah!! No doubt but as a mom your insticts are to protect your child.

It's just so sad.

Pixies - I felt very angry towards the principal who took Michael out of class to go with Floyd. He took a little boy out of class to be taken by a man who was not his legal guardian. Instead of sticking up for Michael and trying to protect him he withered and obeyed to save his own skin.
When he went into the classroom to get Michael he did not take that opportunity to notify the teacher to call 911 immediately.
I know none of us know how we would behave in a situation like that but I think I can say with confidence if I were a principal and I had a man like FLoyd in my office demanding to take one my students I would refuse and I would figure out a way to call or have on of my collegues call 911.

I felt frustrated with a lot of people in Sharon's life too. The entire situation is wholly frustrating.

Regarding Sharon leaving Michael with Floyd - I don't really think we can fault her for that. She was abused and sexualized her entire life and I don't think she really understood what was normal and what wasn't anymore. The one constant person in her life, the only father figure she had abused and sexualized her and the psychological effects and the way that can warp a person's sense of right and wrong is probably beyond what we can understand.

pixies · #**238** 07-22-2008, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by gaia227

Pixies - I felt very angry towards the principal who took Michael out of class to go with Floyd. He took a little boy out of class to be taken by a man who was not his legal guardian. Instead of sticking up for Michael and trying to protect him he withered and obeyed to save his own skin.
When he went into the classroom to get Michael he did not take that opportunity to notify the teacher to call 911 immediately.
I know none of us know how we would behave in a situation like that but I think I can say with confidence if I were a principal and I had a man like FLoyd in my office demanding to take one my students I would refuse and I would figure out a way to call or have on of my collegues call 911.

I felt frustrated with a lot of people in Sharon's life too. The entire situation is wholly frustrating.

Regarding Sharon leaving Michael with Floyd - I don't really think we can fault her for that. She was abused and sexualized her entire life and I don't think she really understood what was normal and what wasn't anymore. The one constant person in her life, the only father figure she had abused and sexualized her and the psychological effects and the way that can warp a person's sense of right and wrong is probably beyond what we can understand.

You are completely right! Totally. I am still so upset from reading that book that it is hard to express.

I had typed a huge thing about the coward principal and because it took forever I lost it when WS timed out.
He should have been charged with helping in the kidnapping. A grown man handing over a child is sickening. Gun or not, you do not do that to a child. PERIOD.

About Sharon, she had little chance at ever having a normal life and reading about poor Michael almost achieving a good life only to be stolen makes me ill.

shadowangel · #**239** 07-22-2008, 11:24 AM

In the course of my research into this case, I've read numerous studies on the effects of abuse. Floyd had, in effect, isolated a very young girl from the entire world. They never stayed in one place for long, making it impossible for Sharon to make any friends or develop any relationships. In Sharon's mind, Floyd may have the only person she did trust. In later years, whenever Sharon was able to make a friend, Floyd found a way to intercede and ruin whatever relationship Sharon may have had.

I can certainly understand the anger Sharon's story creates. But, please, if you feel any anger in this case, direct it at Floyd.

(On a side note, I've had the same problem with losing posts due to the site timing out..What I have been doing is copying the post before submitting. That way, if the site has timed out, I can simply log in, reply, and paste the post rather than losing it).

not_my_kids · #**240** 07-22-2008, 01:16 PM

With kidnapped children, there are several things that are almost always used to keep a person in line and it seems that every one of them was used against Sharon.
1. Using or threatening physical violence.
2. Harming or threatening to harm the persons family. (Sharon probably thought Michael was better off molested than dead.)
3. Threatening to turn the person over to someone that would treat them much worse. (Knowing Floyds thing about orphanages, he probably told Sharon all about them and told her that if Micheal didn't stay with him, he would go to an orphanage.)
4. The constant moving, breaking psychological attachments with other people.(It is quite possible that Sharon never fully bonded with her son, because she never learned what normal human bonding is like.)
5.) Raising the belief that the abductor is a part of a vast network of people that will track the victim down and kill her or bring her back if she tries to escape in any way. (While I have no proof that this was done in the Marshall case, I'd bet dollars to donuts. There is no other way that a wuss like FDF could have controlled her for so long. )

All I'm saying is don't blame the victim, in any case. That is probably part of the reason that Sharon Marshall has been unidentified for so long. The original detectives thought that they just had another dead stripper/hooker on their hands and decided to blame her,at least partially, due to her lifestyle.
Considering what is done to people to keep them quiet and compliant in a situation like the one that Sharon was in, it's amazing that she didn't shut down completely. Most people do.

Cubby · #**241** 07-22-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by not_my_kids

Sorry to bring this up but anyone else NOT see any resemblance between Sharon MArshall and Christina Carter? It's just not there. They are not the same person. Period. I wish the DNA would hurry up so we can put that part of it to rest.

For me it is hard to tell. The pictures of CC, she was still at an age she looked like a baby, by "baby" I mean she still had the appearance of baby fat on her face. I see a big difference in my sons appearance at 4 and 5 than I did at 2 and 3 when he still had that baby fat in his face.

Tuffy101 · #**242** 07-22-2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by shadowangel

I don't really see any change myself, other than the lighting and of course some sagging due to age.

As I recall, Floyd has a small circular tattoo on his upper arm.

I have had a concern in regard to the conviction, after reading some of the available transcripts and Floyd's various and numerous appeals. His conviction was based in large part on the photos that were discovered, showing his torture of Cheryl C. There was no direct evidence that he in fact killed her. The murder weapon was never recovered. I've wondered if in fact Floyd did pull the trigger...Or had someone else do it for him.

If the DA felt the death penalty slipping away in this case on appeal, Sharon's identity could be a bargaining chip to getting Floyd to agree to life without parole in exchange for not seeking a new trial. As far as I'm concerned, Floyd can rot slowly in prison for the next 20 years if we can give Sharon her real name and a proper burial.

where did you see this tattoo....?
you said as I recall ....what photo where you looking at or where did yo read that.....??????

shadowangel · #**243** 07-22-2008, 08:02 PM

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInma...onID=740063308

Floyd's Inmate Population Info Detail. It lists a "tattoo, right arm, upper arm, just a mark". I can't remember exactly where I read that it was circular.

Tuffy101 · #**244** 07-22-2008, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by shadowangel

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInma...onID=740063308

Floyd's Inmate Population Info Detail. It lists a "tattoo, right arm, upper arm, just a mark". I can't remember exactly where I read that it was circular.

last year there was no tattoo or scar listed....and the Book....stated that there was
no idenffing marks or tattoos....FDF had a plain face....could fit in anywhere
...my Point is FDF...had a clved chin...very noteable....and I checked last year after reading
that he had a plain face and no scare or tattoo....that entry is new...on that jail site
FDF was out of coustody last year....and they took him out to go to another court
and hearing....I did check that out ASAP.....I watch that site and view it often...
Thank you for answering I thought maybe it was in the bookand I missed it..... Maybe Matt B. would like to comment on a plain face fits i anywhere V a cleved chin and a tattoo.

shadowangel · #**245** 07-22-2008, 09:36 PM

I recall reading it a few years ago. And, if I'm not mistaken, it is shown on one of the videos of him leaving or entering court, possibly the CourtTV show.

Tuffy101 · #**246** 07-22-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by shadowangel

I recall reading it a few years ago. And, if I'm not mistaken, it is shown on one of the videos of him leaving or entering court, possibly the CourtTV show.

i will have to look at it agan Thanks

Tuffy101 · #**247** 07-23-2008, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Birkbeck

Some of you recall my previous web site was hacked into and we had to shut it down.

I have a new one going up the end of the month and it will feature a blog with, among other things, updates on the search for Sharon's identity.

You can visit at www.mattbirkbeck.com

Also, I'm trying to recall who fed me the lead on Christina Carter last fall. If it came from someone here please PM me and refresh my memory.

Matt,In your Book.....I read that FDF had a plain face....with No idetifyng marks....
tatoos where not mentioned in your writtings.....not that it matters at this point...
what FDF looked like or looks like....I am just couries as to"Plain Face"
as clearly FDF had....has a destintive chin....was there a reason for this.....can you say why ?...You interviewed him....does he have this claved Chin....thou its been years....this Charter would most likely be remembrable...

Just read your Blog.....Yet I disagree that Christina Carter....resembles Sharon Marshall......did the NCMEC do a computer generated age progreson.....Why not ?

A Lie Is Half Way Around The World By The Time Truth Gets its Shoes On.....

Tuffy101 · #**248** 07-23-2008, 04:00 PM

And while we wait for DNA once again.....anyone have photos of Christinas Cartes Mother
I would like to see resemblance.....matched to Sharon Marshall....as we have plenty of photos...of an older Sharon Marshall

christine2448 · #**249** 07-23-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CuriousInAtlanta

Matt- per your request:

i am the one who contacted youi and christina's family regarding a possible link between christina carter and sharon marshall. I still have the original emails to prove it.

I can be reached by PM here or at the email account i have sent to you via Private message here.

please contact me if you have heard anything!

thank you
CuriousInAtlanta

Thanks, I was 'looking' for you....couldn't remember your 'hat'....I should have! I am metroATL.

Rhett · #**250** 07-23-2008, 04:55 PM

Regarding the cleft chin on FDF. If you look at the prison photo with him in the orange shirt. You will notice that his face and his chin are raised upward and not looking directly at the camera. If you look closely, you can see the slight mark where the cleft is. He still has it only it is hard to see in that particular picture.