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Old 04-25-2008, 08:53 PM
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I was under the assumption the whole time that the food was being cooked over the grill that was up on the patio but the bon fire was way out in the yard over Maria and the baby. I never thought of it any other way...
That's the way I pictured it too.
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Old 04-25-2008, 09:22 PM
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I think Nancy Grace put some stuff out there that there was no proof of.
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Old 04-26-2008, 10:20 AM
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I think Nancy Grace put some stuff out there that there was no proof of.
Are any of us really surprised? I like Nancy okay at times but she does embellish and is always the drama queen.
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Old 04-27-2008, 04:18 AM
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LOL That she is.

Has there been any word on the progress of getting Cesar back here?
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Are any of us really surprised? I like Nancy okay at times but she does embellish and is always the drama queen.
I agree. I like to watch her show because she does discuss cases that we are interested in and does interview some interesting and knowledgable people. But her facial expressions and tone of voice, not to mention the embellishments, really turn me off. I can't watch her when my husband is around because all he does is yell at the TV! He can't stand her. I am getting a bit bored about all the baby pics and whatnot. I realize that she had a rough go of it and that she is a proud mother, but if she wants to show pics of the "twins", she needs a show on WE or something
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I agree. I like to watch her show because she does discuss cases that we are interested in and does interview some interesting and knowledgable people. But her facial expressions and tone of voice, not to mention the embellishments, really turn me off. I can't watch her when my husband is around because all he does is yell at the TV! He can't stand her. I am getting a bit bored about all the baby pics and whatnot. I realize that she had a rough go of it and that she is a proud mother, but if she wants to show pics of the "twins", she needs a show on WE or something
And all the callers who still continue to congratulate her on the babies.
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Old 04-27-2008, 09:49 PM
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Something new from Lindell Kay ~ He raises some interesting questions about what Maria's plans might have been after buying the bus ticket. Apparently it was for the 5:50pm bus on the 15th and the one for the 14th was not full.

Maria's itinerary

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=160
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Something new from Lindell Kay ~ He raises some interesting questions about what Maria's plans might have been after buying the bus ticket. Apparently it was for the 5:50pm bus on the 15th and the one for the 14th was not full.

Maria's itinerary

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=160
I am wanting to know more and more if Cesar specified the 15th in his novellas he left behind concerning Maria coming there two times. If it is Christina's wording and perception what if he told her that Maria came there on the 14th for money and then she came back later in the evening of the 15th highly agitated etc.

I have tried to wrap my mind around why he would lie about one date over another? I just cant see a reason since he owns up to her dying there and him burying her. So what difference would the day make anyway?

I sure would like to read what the actual notes really said that were written. So far all we have is what CSL told investigators that they put her in the search warrant.
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Old 04-28-2008, 03:08 AM
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I would love to read everything that has been written by Cesar, Maria, and Christina in this case!! Wow! Can you imagine how we could rip those to shreds?!
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Old 04-29-2008, 08:53 AM
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I would love to read everything that has been written by Cesar, Maria, and Christina in this case!! Wow! Can you imagine how we could rip those to shreds?!
I have really been thinking about this yesterday.

Now we know that LE gets somethings wrong in their initial search warrants. One thing is they have suspicions of a kidnapping yet that had to be ruled out as no charges have been filed and we are going on 4 months now. And if we are to take Mary Lauterbach at her word she said she did not tell them that Maria was a compulsive liar yet LE had that impression and in their report which we saw a copyfrom far away on tv. So what if Christina was under the impression that both trips made by Maria to Cesar's home happened on the 15th when they did not.... while Cesar's note means when she came back the second time it was in the evening of the 15th?

I have looked at the statements closely again and am now under the impression that she first came there the 14th and he went with her to purchase the ticket but she came back in the evening of the 15th all hysterical saying her plans had fallen through. Could it be she couldn't leave then because she was in labor or thought she was?

It just makes more sense to me because the very next day he is borrowing a shovel from his neighbor and also goes to Lowes, all of those things on the 16th.

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Old 04-29-2008, 09:43 AM
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Oceanblueyes, I have often thought that she was killed on the 15th too. After reading all the reports, it just makes more sense. What did he do with her body if she was killed on the 14th? If LE is right about the date of her murder then that means he waited for a day and a half to buy supplies to cover up the crime. It could be but it doesn't make alot of sense. You have raised a good point concerning the possibility of Maria going into labor....We know from Captain Sutherland(Maria's Itenarary) that there were no pants on her body...so what happened to them? Who took them off of her? And certaintly Cesar would panic if she were going into labor and that could have been what led to her death. If the baby were coming or they both thought it was..it would mean that DNA test would be done on the baby and Cesar was in great fear of that. His Marine career, his family, EVERYTHING at that moment could have been flashing before his eyes and so he killed her to prevent all of that from becoming a reality.
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Old 04-29-2008, 01:30 PM
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Oceanblueyes, I have often thought that she was killed on the 15th too. After reading all the reports, it just makes more sense. What did he do with her body if she was killed on the 14th? If LE is right about the date of her murder then that means he waited for a day and a half to buy supplies to cover up the crime. It could be but it doesn't make alot of sense. You have raised a good point concerning the possibility of Maria going into labor....We know from Captain Sutherland(Maria's Itenarary) that there were no pants on her body...so what happened to them? Who took them off of her? And certaintly Cesar would panic if she were going into labor and that could have been what led to her death. If the baby were coming or they both thought it was..it would mean that DNA test would be done on the baby and Cesar was in great fear of that. His Marine career, his family, EVERYTHING at that moment could have been flashing before his eyes and so he killed her to prevent all of that from becoming a reality.
I too have thought it odd that there was no clothing found on the lower half of her body, and entertained the idea she might have gone into labor. I'm still wondering where she had planned to stay the night of the 14th since the bus ticket wasn't until 5:50pm on the 15th. I'd assume LE has checked all motels to see if she'd checked in anywhere, so where else would she have gone that night?
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Old 04-29-2008, 02:00 PM
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LE could be saying the 14th, but Maria's death could have occured on the 15th...............think 11:00 P.M. TO 1:00 A.M. We are now into a NEW DAY.

The facts support that a bus ticket was purchased on the 14th for departure on the 15th. We have the times, etc. We also have ATM videos reflecting withdrawal times, etc.

Throwing in where Christina was during this time is what makes it difficult. Let's throw Christina out of the mix for all day on the 14th.........she is at the party.............let's even assume that after the party, her and her daughter go to a friends house and she lets CL know this.

Now we can visualize that Maria and CL go to the bus station and purchase a ticket............why not leave that night if the bus is not full?? Maria has already written a note to Durnham.........(presumabely written by her)

I think Maria was having some pains indicating labor..........

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Oceanblueyes, I have often thought that she was killed on the 15th too. After reading all the reports, it just makes more sense. What did he do with her body if she was killed on the 14th? If LE is right about the date of her murder then that means he waited for a day and a half to buy supplies to cover up the crime. It could be but it doesn't make alot of sense. You have raised a good point concerning the possibility of Maria going into labor....We know from Captain Sutherland(Maria's Itinerary) that there were no pants on her body...so what happened to them? Who took them off of her? And certainly Cesar would panic if she were going into labor and that could have been what led to her death. If the baby were coming or they both thought it was..it would mean that DNA test would be done on the baby and Cesar was in great fear of that. His Marine career, his family, EVERYTHING at that moment could have been flashing before his eyes and so he killed her to prevent all of that from becoming a reality.
LOL Well it is good to see that I am not the only one considering this.

Another thing too......Sutherland was asked where Laurean kept the body from the time he killed her until he buried her. He more or less said they didn't have that information. That seems to say to me they found no places outside or inside the home where she was placed for a couple of days. Even if he had her wrapped in the comforter there would be blood seepage if she lay there that long. With the luminol testing they probably can see drag marks/shoe prints if he pulled her out in the comforter and the blood would still have to be wet to create those marks so they would know it was within af few hours after she died

What if around 4pm on the 15th her water broke and she became hysterical not knowing what to do or where to go and went back to his home so he could help her. Imo Maria wouldn't want anyone in Jacksonville to know she was giving birth to this baby and would have never gone to the hospital especially since she had already written her Dear John to the USMC. By then she probably had become paranoid and thought the Corps was already looking for her.

I think they both freaked out. To Laurean it just couldn't happen THERE and he was probably telling her that and she was panicking and yelling at him that she had no where to go! If her water broke she may have even taken her panties and bottoms off as they would be soaked and staining everything she sat on. I don't think she would have just sat there in her yucky clothes even if she had to wrap a sheet OR comforter around her and of course if she was in labor and thought the baby was coming then she wouldn't put her underwear/pants back on.

Through all the panic and chaos something happened! I still wonder who did it happen between? Just the two of them or was it like gasoline on a flame when three people were inside that home dealing with the reality before them.

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oceaneyes and snowflower: (sorry sun, just couldn't put lover after snow)

I think we are getting somewhere with each of our hypothesis. Maybe, if we can combine them and put some or all of our thoughts into one........we might be close to what actually happened????

I stopped mine, because I want to check out some facts..............haven't done it yet as I am jumping to other sites.............only have this day to be here during the day as I am normally at work but took today off to rest my wrist..........yep..............surely doing that!!
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oceaneyes and snowflower: (sorry sun, just couldn't put lover after snow)

I think we are getting somewhere with each of our hypothesis. Maybe, if we can combine them and put some or all of our thoughts into one........we might be close to what actually happened????

I stopped mine, because I want to check out some facts..............haven't done it yet as I am jumping to other sites.............only have this day to be here during the day as I am normally at work but took today off to rest my wrist..........yep..............surely doing that!!
Many posters elsewhere on other Forums/Message Boards/Blogs have mentioned they felt the date of death not to be as reported on the 14th.

Of course we all know that the 14th is the date of Christina's alibi, as far as we've been told that is, doesn't mean she also has one for the 15th and verified by someone close to her
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LOL Well it is good to see that I am not the only one considering this.

Another thing too......Sutherland was asked where Laurean kept the body from the time he killed her until he buried her. He more or less said they didn't have that information. That seems to say to me they found no places outside or inside the home where she was placed for a couple of days. Even if he had her wrapped in the comforter there would be blood seepage if she lay there that long. With the luminol testing they probably can see drag marks/shoe prints if he pulled her out in the comforter and the blood would still have to be wet to create those marks so they would know it was within af few hours after she died

What if around 4pm on the 15th her water broke and she became hysterical not knowing what to do or where to go and went back to his home so he could help her. Imo Maria wouldn't want anyone in Jacksonville to know she was giving birth to this baby and would have never gone to the hospital especially since she had already written her Dear John to the USMC. By then she probably had become paranoid and thought the Corps was already looking for her.

I think they both freaked out. To Laurean it just couldn't happen THERE and he was probably telling her that and she was panicking and yelling at him that she had no where to go! If her water broke she may have even taken her panties and bottoms off as they would be soaked and staining everything she sat on. I don't think she would have just sat there in her yucky clothes even if she had to wrap a sheet OR comforter around her and of course if she was in labor and thought the baby was coming then she wouldn't put her underwear/pants back on.

Through all the panic and chaos something happened! I still wonder who did it happen between? Just the two of them or was it like gasoline on a flame when three people were inside that home dealing with the reality before them.

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I think this is a great scenario, ocean! It sure would explain what happened to her clothes and where the comforter came in. Nothing else seems to make sense why she had clothes on her upper body but nothing on the bottom. And I don't think that at 8 mo. pregnant she and CL were engaging in sex either. I can see them both panicking especially after she'd left the note at Durhams and didn't know if he'd alerted the MC or not, and how could she go back to a base hospital. I really would like to know just what she'd planned to do as far as having the baby when she burned the bridge behind her by deserting the MC.
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I think this is a great scenario, ocean! It sure would explain what happened to her clothes and where the comforter came in. Nothing else seems to make sense why she had clothes on her upper body but nothing on the bottom. And I don't think that at 8 mo. pregnant she and CL were engaging in sex either. I can see them both panicking especially after she'd left the note at Durhams and didn't know if he'd alerted the MC or not, and how could she go back to a base hospital. I really would like to know just what she'd planned to do as far as having the baby when she burned the bridge behind her by deserting the MC.
You know Captain Sutherland said they have found the connection between Maria and El Paso. Of course he said they couldn't divulge what it is but imo they know it already. Also another answer he gave to a question of "why El Paso?" is when he said that only Maria and Cesar would know that answer and Maria being deceased and Cesar not talking .....it may never be known why they picked El Paso. He sure gives me the impression that this was a joint venture or a decision they both made together.

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I will have to read back over this but seems like I recall reading that her biological parent or parents lived there. Anyone else recall that?
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I will have to read back over this but seems like I recall reading that her biological parent or parents lived there. Anyone else recall that?
I've only read that as a speculation, also have read it could be a Laurean family member. IF Maria's biological parents lived there her mother Mary would know the connection.
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Wasn't there a mention somewhere of Christina and Cesar renting a motel room?
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Wasn't there a mention somewhere of Christina and Cesar renting a motel room?
That information was posted by someone on LeJeune Underground, but I haven't seen it anywhere else.
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I've only read that as a speculation, also have read it could be a Laurean family member. IF Maria's biological parents lived there her mother Mary would know the connection.
I have never heard Mary speak out that she didn't know the connection to El Paso. Did she come out and say she had no clue why El Paso was picked by Maria when she bought her ticket?

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I have never heard Mary speak out that she didn't know the connection to El Paso. Did she come out and say she had no clue why El Paso was picked by Maria when she bought her ticket?

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I didn't say that Mary had spoken out, only IF the biological parents lived there, she would know.
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I will have to read back over this but seems like I recall reading that her biological parent or parents lived there. Anyone else recall that?
I remember reading it as a speculation but nothing confirmed by anyone such as LE or Maria's family.
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