Maricopa Jane Doe 1999 Thread #4 - Page 6

Auburnmommyof2 · #**126** 06-15-2008, 12:26 AM

mine is pesga75, i show up as invisible though

Teresa Larson · #**127** 06-15-2008, 01:56 AM

I think yahoo is much easier to use. My yahoo name is bblady28 add me if you want to.

ArizonaGiGi · #**128** 06-15-2008, 05:55 AM

did anyone ever get the copy of the police report?
I never saw it posted if so. I wanna see that.

believe09 · #**129** 06-15-2008, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by fmw63

I don't have it in front of me, but I think first statement is from the driver of the truck, the second is from his co-driver.

FMW is correct; sorry I missed the chat guys-migraine got me yesterday but is gone now....a side note, not a play for sympathy lol.

What did I miss and what can I help with??

believe09 · #**130** 06-15-2008, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ArizonaGiGi

did anyone ever get the copy of the police report?
I never saw it posted if so. I wanna see that.

send me your email addy and I will send a copy.

rccook555 · #**131** 06-15-2008, 10:28 AM

Believe09, sorry if i missed this somewhere but did you hear anything back about Rachael Dawn Hayson? Thanks!!!

Marstan · #**132** 06-15-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by christine2448

In our dealings w/LE, reporters, etc over the last couple of weeks he is being referred to as William and Alonso as alias....I didn't catch on at first......and if you know me, you know I have memory problems and so much is going on.

So many names, I honestly can hardly keep up with it all y'all.

Eta...maybe I am confusing it....I need to talk w/Believe and see if she can help me remember. Maybe there is another William involved......I am almost sure Alonso has the name William.

I don't know if you know about this site or not - it is free and you could look up all the alias names this guy used. It is:

http://www.supreme.state.az.us/publi.../search.asp?id=

It is very easy to use but it will not give info about juveniles.

Zanko · #**133** 06-15-2008, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Marstan

I don't know if you know about this site or not - it is free and you could look up all the alias names this guy used. It is:

http://www.supreme.state.az.us/publi.../search.asp?id=

It is very easy to use but it will not give info about juveniles.

Great website! Thanks!

BeavisMom62 · #**134** 06-15-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Auburnmommyof2

It also appears that the report includes reports from different officers

Yeah, that is a little confusing because it seems in each report from a different officer that spoke with Lindsey, her story is a little different in each one. Makes it hard to know which of her stories is true. I thought that there were more witnesses thatn the truck driver's but there are no statements in the report from any other witnesses, are there? Or am I missing something? I haven't read the whole thing in detail yet.

believe09 · #**135** 06-15-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BeavisMom62

Yeah, that is a little confusing because it seems in each report from a different officer that spoke with Lindsey, her story is a little different in each one. Makes it hard to know which of her stories is true. I thought that there were more witnesses thatn the truck driver's but there are no statements in the report from any other witnesses, are there? Or am I missing something? I haven't read the whole thing in detail yet.

There are lots of statements-statements of her pimp who denies knowing her, statements from people who witnessed her streetwalking and talked to her about it....keep reading.

For me, on the criminal side, there is much to condemn William and LDJ. Wonder how the evidence tape was broken on the door of the car after it was towed and what might have been missing before the police even got a chance to inventory the car?

But-in terms of helping us ID Jane Doe, we have a lot more than we did. I would like to get a picture of the ring circulated and run down it's maker etc...

believe09 · #**136** 06-15-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rccook555

Believe09, sorry if i missed this somewhere but did you hear anything back about Rachael Dawn Hayson? Thanks!!!

Hi!! Nothing yet and it is just about time for me to circle back and check...thank you for the reminder!

Auburnmommyof2 · #**137** 06-15-2008, 03:59 PM

I want to bounce something off ya'll...the guy at the dealership said he recognized the black male from tv related to this case arguing with MJD the same day she thrown/jumped from the car. If the news had a black male on tv related to the case that day, wouldn't it have most likely been AF? Or did they run reports showing KTL's picture? So who was she arguing with, KTL, AF? And who is KC Slim? Did anyone else find this odd?

fmw63 · #**138** 06-15-2008, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Auburnmommyof2

I want to bounce something off ya'll...the guy at the dealership said he recognized the black male from tv related to this case arguing with MJD the same day she thrown/jumped from the car. If the news had a black male on tv related to the case that day, wouldn't it have most likely been AF? Or did they run reports showing KTL's picture? So who was she arguing with, KTL, AF? And who is KC Slim? Did anyone else find this odd?

My guess was Alonzo. I also wondered if the 2nd girl arguing was Lindsey.

believe09 · #**139** 06-15-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fmw63

My guess was Alonzo. I also wondered if the 2nd girl arguing was Lindsey.

See now i thought it was KTL-good catch y'all. I assumed the sales manager was referring to the pimp who was in custody for trafficking a 13 year old from the east coast, which was kTL...

We need the pictures...what does LDJ look like on her myspace? Of course this event was almost 10 years ago, but the sales manager referred to a tiny slight girl (MJD) and a rounder one....

VASHLEY88 · #**140** 06-15-2008, 08:20 PM

Ahhh! I missed out on so much. But I'm back for good now!! Everyone, you have all done an outstanding job!!

What can I do to help? I have some numbers to call to follow up on tomorrow, for group homes, I think.

Fairy1 · #**141** 06-15-2008, 11:33 PM

I've been out of town for a couple of days and am catching up on the comments - also just read part 1 of the report again - and have some comments/questions:

I don't see where it was ever established whether they were headed for Miami, AZ or Miami, FL. If it was Florida - 3,000 miles away - why would MJD think she was going to get "beaten up?" I can't see a low-life pimp going to too much trouble to find a stray woman. He would have just found another one. This "story" does not jive with me at all.

Both Alonzo and Lindsey said they "thought" MJD was a prostitute. They really didn't know - or so they say.

Nearly - if not all - of the responding officer's reports say they were dispatched to a scene in reference to a girl who was "thrown" from a car. None of them - before speaking to Alonzo and Lindsey - say she may have fallen or jumped.

Where did the other items found in the emergency lane with MJD come from? Condoms, clothing (other than what she was wearing), bunge cord...Did she have them in her pocket? I think not.

How do we know all of MJD's jewelry was "real." The reports refer to "clear stones" (not diamonds) and "gold-colored" (not pure gold).

Regarding the razors they found - what was the "possible residue" and was it ever tested?

What type of "papers" were seized?

I am still interested in why LE has reason to believe she was from Mohave County. I'm not sure we should invest too much time into this angle until we know the answer..

I've seen that LDJ has (had?) a warrant. Is that from then or from now? They released the vehicle to her....makes me think there was no warrant then.

If Lindsey worked for Alonzo, their boyfriend-girlfriend relationship would not have been our definition of a relationship. We should all keep that in mind.

Nearly everything we think we know came from LDJ and Alonzo. Sorry, but I just cannot bring myself to put much stock in anything they say. Even if she did tell them her "name" - it may not have been her real name. Whatever she told them - if anything - may not have been true.

OK - have to read part 2 again......

Auburnmommyof2 · #**142** 06-15-2008, 11:52 PM

I'm going to attempt to give my thoughts in red here..

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Originally Posted by Fairy1

I've been out of town for a couple of days and am catching up on the comments - also just read part 1 of the report again - and have some comments/questions:

I don't see where it was ever established whether they were headed for Miami, AZ or Miami, FL. If it was Florida - 3,000 miles away - why would MJD think she was going to get "beaten up?" I can't see a low-life pimp going to too much trouble to find a stray woman. He would have just found another one. This "story" does not jive with me at all.I did read that one of them did say FL. I agree that the story doesn't jive.

Both Alonzo and Lindsey said they "thought" MJD was a prostitute. They really didn't know - or so they say.

Nearly - if not all - of the responding officer's reports say they were dispatched to a scene in reference to a girl who was "thrown" from a car. None of them - before speaking to Alonzo and Lindsey - say she may have fallen or jumped.

Where did the other items found in the emergency lane with MJD come from? Condoms, clothing (other than what she was wearing), bunge cord...Did she have them in her pocket? I think not. Were these items in the car or on the road?

How do we know all of MJD's jewelry was "real." The reports refer to "clear stones" (not diamonds) and "gold-colored" (not pure gold).There is a report from a jewler. I think in part 2

Regarding the razors they found - what was the "possible residue" and was it ever tested?

What type of "papers" were seized?

I am still interested in why LE has reason to believe she was from Mohave County. I'm not sure we should invest too much time into this angle until we know the answer..

I've seen that LDJ has (had?) a warrant. Is that from then or from now? They released the vehicle to her....makes me think there was no warrant then. I'm not sure about the dates, I'll go back and look. Supposidly she was leaving for WA after one of the interviews with police. If the FTA was after, then I assume she either never went to WA or came back to AZ.

If Lindsey worked for Alonzo, their boyfriend-girlfriend relationship would not have been our definition of a relationship. We should all keep that in mind. I wonder why Alonzo released the car to her (thinking about their relationship)

Nearly everything we think we know came from LDJ and Alonzo. Sorry, but I just cannot bring myself to put much stock in anything they say. Even if she did tell them her "name" - it may not have been her real name. Whatever she told them - if anything - may not have been true. I'm beginning to think they knew her for longer than either one admit.

OK - have to read part 2 again......

Fairy1 · #**143** 06-16-2008, 12:12 AM

I do have to read part 2 again - but in part 1 - it does state that those other items were located in the emergency lane of the highway - outside of the car.

I do not think they knew her at all before that afternoon. However, I have a difficult time reconciling the fact that she does not seem like a "street level" prostitute, yet she would get into a car with complete strangers and agree to drive 3,000 miles with them. I just can't take everything Alonzo and Lindsey have said at face value.

OTOH - we are just trying to identify our little MJD and not solve a crime. Unfortunately, the only "facts" we have are based on statements made by low-life criminals and tied to her alleged life of prostitution - even though much of the physical evidence says otherwise.

Auburnmommyof2 · #**144** 06-16-2008, 12:23 AM

After reading part 1 again, i thought that maybe the bungee cord could have belonged to someone who stopped to help. The floral sheet was placed there by a passer-by who stopped to render aid, maybe the sheet was in their car and the bungee cord was with it?

Auburnmommyof2 · #**145** 06-16-2008, 12:38 AM

There is also no mention of anyone removing the necklace, did anyone else notice that? It did say the clothing was removed by emergancey personnel but no mention of the necklace. Could it not have been on MJD?

Fairy1 · #**146** 06-16-2008, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Auburnmommyof2

There is also no mention of anyone removing the necklace, did anyone else notice that? It did say the clothing was removed by emergancey personnel but no mention of the necklace. Could it not have been on MJD?

You know, I didn't really think of the necklace being there as odd, but now that I think about it, maybe it is. Is it possible it came off in the "fall" or could it have been something else. Was this the one with the cross and the ring?

Auburnmommyof2 · #**147** 06-16-2008, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Fairy1

You know, I didn't really think of the necklace being there as odd, but now that I think about it, maybe it is. Is it possible it came off in the "fall" or could it have been something else. Was this the one with the cross and the ring?

It is my understanding that it is the necklace with the cross and the ring.

Teresa Larson · #**148** 06-16-2008, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Auburnmommyof2

There is also no mention of anyone removing the necklace, did anyone else notice that? It did say the clothing was removed by emergancey personnel but no mention of the necklace. Could it not have been on MJD?

I think the paramedics were probably so worried about trying to save her life they never gave it a thought to write anything down about the necklace. I wonder where MJD's pimp (Kelly Lipsey) went to after he got out of jail? He probably knew her name and where she came from. I also wonder if the policeman made and error when he was referring to Alonzo as William in the police report. It's seems funny that any other time Lindsey spoke of him she refereed to him as Alonzo not William.

believe09 · #**149** 06-16-2008, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Teresa Larson

I think the paramedics were probably so worried about trying to save her life they never gave it a thought to write anything down about the necklace. I wonder where MJD's pimp (Kelly Lipsey) went to after he got out of jail? He probably knew her name and where she came from. I also wonder if the policeman made and error when he was referring to Alonzo as William in the police report. It's seems funny that any other time Lindsey spoke of him she refereed to him as Alonzo not William.

KTL is in the middle of a trial for pandering and receiving money from a prostitute as well as money laundering right now (In Maricopa County). There is a bench warrant issued in the trial for a failure to appear, but I cannot tell who it is for. There are 3-4 defendants and he is one.

The charges regarding the minor appear to be ongoing as well, if you can believe that-there is a probation violation charge associated with that case from 5/13/2008.

please see;
http://www.supreme.state.az.us/publi...tylist.asp?id=

believe09 · #**150** 06-16-2008, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Teresa Larson

I think the paramedics were probably so worried about trying to save her life they never gave it a thought to write anything down about the necklace. I wonder where MJD's pimp (Kelly Lipsey) went to after he got out of jail? He probably knew her name and where she came from. I also wonder if the policeman made and error when he was referring to Alonzo as William in the police report. It's seems funny that any other time Lindsey spoke of him she refereed to him as Alonzo not William.

KTL is MJD's presumptive pimp, I think...it is a fair assumption that has not been proven...