Theories: Who and Why? - Page 3

Claycat · #51 08-25-2008, 05:25 PM

GS, you pistol-packing mama! Lol! I'm glad you told us that. When my husband takes a gun out, I just about freak out. I'm good with my hands and feet, but guns scare me!

As far as simple theories, I'm still with the two teens/early twenties. Motive- some kind of payback.

YellowDog · #52 08-25-2008, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes

It would be nice if after an abused child reached a certain age that things would improve in their lives but I know from personal experience it only continues and when any secret is stored within someone that is deeply hurtful and wrong it also will show in the abused child's daily lives. Red flags are there even though they may be ignored.

I see no traits or that they even partially match the profile of children who were abused.

In fact imo these child seemed to have been raised very well and had had no sexual encounters at all with anyone it seems from what we have read including the autopsy report.

And to me it showed. They loved school, they were very active in school, they made great grades and it seems that whatever endeavor they wanted to participate in was met with support by their family members. They also seemed to enjoy their home life with their families, wide open spaces and lots of pets.

JMO though.

We were just exploring possible new theories. You are probably right. If, however, there was abuse and it was only recent, they might not have exhibited these traits before this summer.

frogjustfrog · #53 08-25-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sooner Fan

Personally, I think PP did kill the girls. #1 why did it take so long to call 911. # 2 It always bother me that he Kept repeating over and over. "I decribed it once and I'm not going to again. (maybe he was afraid he would contradict himself? #3 I think maybe he WAS sexually abusing the girls in some way. #4 More so now than ever, there seems to be some "problems" between Vickie and Peter. This is my opinion only.

You know, people read things all kinds of ways, but I personally cannot see on the autopsy reports whether or not they state that the girls had EVER had sexual intercourse or not. I think it just sounds like it wasnt a part of THIS event, at the time of the killings.

Just my own observation and I am not an autopsy specialist by no means. Is anyone else who is on our threads, on this case?

YellowDog · #54 08-25-2008, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by frogjustfrog

You know, people read things all kinds of ways, but I personally cannot see on the autopsy reports whether or not they state that the girls had EVER had sexual intercourse or not. I think it just sounds like it wasnt a part of THIS event, at the time of the killings.

Just my own observation and I am not an autopsy specialist by no means. Is anyone else who is on our threads, on this case?

I sort of interpreted those reports the same way. In fact, I was wondering if they had done pregnancy tests on the girls as a routine part of the autopsy.

Ruflossn · #55 08-25-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by YellowDog

I thought of a new possibility. Say teenagers were in the brush shooting at different objects, the girls unknowingly stepped into their line of fire, the teenagers couldn't see them and kept shooting their guns. When they realized they'd shot the girls several times and saw that they were seriously injured, they decided to make sure they were dead so they couldn't talk.

Hello All~
I love that we are all brain storming w/ scenarios as to what happened. But, I have to remind everyone that there was a "groin" shot to one of the girls. I think it was Taylor. Usually, a shot of this nature is done postmortem. However, due to the quick time line of this crime, we may not ever know whether the groin shot was postmortem or not. To me the groin shot is very telling as to the nature / personalities of the monsters that ended the lives of Taylor and Skyla. I do not believe these girls were killed accidentally. I think they were killed by some one in cold blood, it was deliberate and it was overkill. Again, this is just my opinion.

GetSmart · #56 08-25-2008, 05:37 PM

There are other sites out there frog I have had luck at this one too.
is this the correct area? I was trying to get a different view.. But you are the map person.. I will have to trust you on that. I am not very good with maps.
http://terraserver-usa.com/image.asp...nt|WELEETKA|ok|

YellowDog · #57 08-25-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruflossn

Hello All~
I love that we are all brain storming w/ scenarios as to what happened. But, I have to remind everyone that there was a "groin" shot to one of the girls. I think it was Taylor. Usually, a shot of this nature is done postmortem. However, due to the quick time line of this crime, we may not ever know whether the groin shot was postmortem or not. To me the groin shot is very telling as to the nature / personalities of the monsters that ended the lives of Taylor and Skyla. I do not believe these girls were killed accidentally. I think they were killed by some one in cold blood, it was deliberate and it was overkill. Again, this is just my opinion.

Hi Ruflossn:
Well, we really are just brain storming with different scenarios.

frogjustfrog · #58 08-25-2008, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GetSmart

There are other sites out there frog I have had luck at this one too.
is this the correct area? I was trying to get a different view.. But you are the map person.. I will have to trust you on that. I am not very good with maps.
http://terraserver-usa.com/image.asp...t|WELEETKA|ok|

uh yes,,,, I guess you could use that map, but I dont like it cuz I cant grasp and pull it where I want to. you have to click and wait on that one, and I lose track of where I was previously. I prefer mapquest unless you can make this one work better.

Hey, I think someone is trying to hack me. I keep getting pings and spyware or adware trying to invade my computer. Also trying to change my registry. Its not letting it in, but it's trying! Is anyone else having this problem?

oceanblueeyes · #59 08-25-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruflossn

Hello All~
I love that we are all brain storming w/ scenarios as to what happened. But, I have to remind everyone that there was a "groin" shot to one of the girls. I think it was Taylor. Usually, a shot of this nature is done postmortem. However, due to the quick time line of this crime, we may not ever know whether the groin shot was postmortem or not. To me the groin shot is very telling as to the nature / personalities of the monsters that ended the lives of Taylor and Skyla. I do not believe these girls were killed accidentally. I think they were killed by some one in cold blood, it was deliberate and it was overkill. Again, this is just my opinion.

Hi Ruf!

I can understand why you think that but to me I see this as more of a
frenzy type killing not an overkill. Some of the shots fired would not have been life threatening and seemed to happen haphazardly probably due to the movement of the girls for that short time. To me it was chaotic disorganized murders.

Now if all 12-13 shots were fired into life threatening areas like the head and chest...I would definitely say it looked like an overkill.

I actually think the groin shot to Taylor was the first one fired. Imo whomever these killers are they wanted to control Taylor first. She may have stepped forward toward the vehicle.

I am still leaning more to some type of interaction with teenage boys and this erupted out of no where. I do think it was two shooters. One firing the higher .40 caliber and the other one maybe carrying a .22 pistol.

imoo

frogjustfrog · #60 08-25-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GetSmart

I am going to go to a couple of websites & see if I can get a good arial of the location.... be back kids

I'm sorry GS. I just cannot use that map. Mapquest is the best I have found. you can grab the page and move it instantly without having to click, wait for it to load, then get lost. I am a big map person and that one you sent absolutely confuses me!
I tried!

Ruflossn · #61 08-25-2008, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes

Hi Ruf!

I can understand why you think that but to me I see this as more of a
frenzy type killing not an overkill. Some of the shots fired would not have been life threatening and seemed to happen haphazardly probably due to the movement of the girls for that short time. To me it was chaotic disorganized murders.

Now if all 12-13 shots were fired into life threatening areas like the head and chest...I would definitely say it looked like an overkill.

I actually think the groin shot to Taylor was the first one fired. Imo whomever these killers are they wanted to control Taylor first. She may have stepped forward toward the vehicle.

I am still leaning more to some type of interaction with teenage boys and this erupted out of no where. I do think it was two shooters. One firing the higher .40 caliber and the other one maybe carrying a .22 pistol.

imoo

Hi Ocean~
I also believe that it was disorganized killers that took the lives of the girls. However, if the white pick-up was the killers, it could throw them into the mixed category of organized / disorganized. From what I read of the autopsy, the trajectory of the bullet to the groin shot, implied that Taylor was on the ground when the groin shot was fired. That makes me think it was not the first shot fired. I have no formal education on these types of things. Just a keen interest to try and understand and learn more. I also am unaware of the difference between overkill and frenzy killing. I will be looking that up.

frogjustfrog · #62 08-25-2008, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by YellowDog

I sort of interpreted those reports the same way. In fact, I was wondering if they had done pregnancy tests on the girls as a routine part of the autopsy.

Wow! That was a good question to ask. I wonder if they did! Sorry, I am a little behind here again.

frogjustfrog · #63 08-25-2008, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruflossn

Hello All~
I love that we are all brain storming w/ scenarios as to what happened. But, I have to remind everyone that there was a "groin" shot to one of the girls. I think it was Taylor. Usually, a shot of this nature is done postmortem. However, due to the quick time line of this crime, we may not ever know whether the groin shot was postmortem or not. To me the groin shot is very telling as to the nature / personalities of the monsters that ended the lives of Taylor and Skyla. I do not believe these girls were killed accidentally. I think they were killed by some one in cold blood, it was deliberate and it was overkill. Again, this is just my opinion.

I just dont want to get TOO caught up in the groin shot that we fail to realize that it COULD have been made deliberately to make us believe exactly what we are believing. Lets try not to dismiss that.

GetSmart · #64 08-25-2008, 06:01 PM

Yes I got pings too...I unplugged my wirless thing and waited a minute it isn't doing it know..crap I hate that crap..

Ruflossn · #65 08-25-2008, 06:12 PM

I am having a hard time posting. The server is to busy.......... (again) If I continue to have a problem, I am going to log off and try again later.

Ya'll have a good night.

GetSmart · #66 08-25-2008, 06:14 PM

I have been off since my last post.. just got back on

KeyboardPlayer · #67 08-25-2008, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by frogjustfrog

uh yes,,,, I guess you could use that map, but I dont like it cuz I cant grasp and pull it where I want to. you have to click and wait on that one, and I lose track of where I was previously. I prefer mapquest unless you can make this one work better.

Hey, I think someone is trying to hack me. I keep getting pings and spyware or adware trying to invade my computer. Also trying to change my registry. Its not letting it in, but it's trying! Is anyone else having this problem?

There are a few dozen well-known spy- and adware variants that disguise themselves and then pop up with a bogus "you have a virus! click here to clean now!" message. Very annoying, I get it on my laptop at work from time to time (not sure if that's what you're talking about though). I abhor when something tries to change my registry. What's blocking it (i.e. what's keeping it from getting in)?

...time for band rehearsal, be back later... Nice evening to all.

frogjustfrog · #68 08-25-2008, 06:31 PM

This going back and forth to different threads is making me dizzy! Do we not have one we can chit chat on? lol

frogjustfrog · #69 08-25-2008, 06:33 PM

How about the rumors thread that we were all on last night? I think I am going there.

Tom'sGirl · #70 08-25-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by frogjustfrog

This going back and forth to different threads is making me dizzy! Do we not have one we can chit chat on? lol

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66496

KeyboardPlayer · #71 08-25-2008, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by frogjustfrog

This going back and forth to different threads is making me dizzy! Do we not have one we can chit chat on? lol

Yeah so many threads are being updated at such a rate that the blackberry is driving me batty again...

Mysterylover · #72 08-25-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruflossn

Hello All~
I love that we are all brain storming w/ scenarios as to what happened.

But, I have to remind everyone that there was a "groin" shot to one of the girls. I think it was Taylor.

Usually, a shot of this nature is done postmortem. However, due to the quick time line of this crime, we may not ever know whether the groin shot was postmortem or not.
To me the groin shot is very telling as to the nature / personalities of the monsters that ended the lives of Taylor and Skyla.

I do not believe these girls were killed accidentally.
I think they were killed by some one in cold blood, it was deliberate and it was overkill. Again, this is just my opinion....

Good points...the groin shot could be a clue to the killers mind-set...

Let's not overlook the groin shot and the over-kill could have been done ONLY to throw LE off to WHY the girls were really killed that day..

YellowDog · #73 08-25-2008, 09:02 PM

I still think the groin shot could have been done after Taylor had fallen from a shooter standing far enough away to take a straight aim towards the ground hitting her there.

Ruflossn · #74 08-25-2008, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Letsthink

Good points...the groin shot could be a clue to the killers mind-set...

Let's not overlook the groin shot and the over-kill could have been done ONLY to throw LE off to WHY the girls were really killed that day..

I truly believe that the killer(s) were "disorganized"in the classic sense of the definition. They are not that smart to have deliberately done anything to throw off LE. Again, this is just my opinion.

Flossie

frogjustfrog · #75 08-25-2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruflossn

I truly believe that the killer(s) were "disorganized"in the classic sense of the definition. They are not that smart to have deliberately done anything to throw off LE. Again, this is just my opinion.

Flossie

I hate to disagree with ya, but I think they did try to throw off LE. JMPO