Skyla Whitaker, 11, & Taylor Placker 13 - Found Murdered - #10 - Page 7

SeriouslySearching · #**151** 06-29-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cloudajo

SS, what corroborating evidence is that?

The tire tracks, the boot print, the area itself producing the pile of shell casings, the fact he was seen at the crime seen acting "suspicious", etc. I think all of it together is corroborating evidence to what these witnesses have reported.

DeltaDawn · #**152** 06-29-2008, 02:33 PM

You know being that this was a small town, that means LE probably knows what everyone is into. I wonder if they have rounded up the usual suspects and had some chats with them? Someone in that area has to know something. And I do believe that more then 1 person is involved in the shootings, beside the POI. And I don't think the truck belonged to the POI, it belonged to one of the others ..so it seems like it wouldn't take too long to put two and two together.

DeltaDawn · #**153** 06-29-2008, 02:41 PM

Yes I agree the witnesses did see the POI and they saw him at different times..standing, sitting, full frontal view and side view. And they all thought he looked suspicious and they also didn't know who he was.

FlowerChild · #**154** 06-29-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GetSmart

The POI could be anyone .. anywhere. Look at Couey right under their nose all that time and that is a small rural community.

But no-one SAW Couey. No-one could link Couey to his crime outside his own cronies and family who were as tweaked out as he was. And he did live within a few hundred feet of his victim...in a trailer park with 100 other trailers - hardly isolated or hidden - and he was caught - pretty quickly too.

In this case we have outside witnesses to the POI and a sketch of him...as well as a description of his vehicle. While our POI could indeed be "anywhere" at this point, he is not invisible and cannot spend the rest of his life without a single contact in the "outside world". He may hide, but it can't last, eventually he will have to step out into a world where someone could make that connection between him and the sketch. I think there is far more to this case than we are privy to - and I think they are closer to solving it than we know. Like Couey, the person responsible for this horrific crime will eventually make a mis-step and be caught and held accountable for his actions - and we will have another resident for Oklahoma's Death Row.

I know it is frustrating and makes us ALL angry it is going so slowly - I suggest this might help all of us who have taken these girls into our hearts: Visualize the best possible outcome for all concerned and hold Taylor and Skyla in your mind as you do. Know that what you seek (the best outcome) will become reality. There is plenty of emotion and anger and pain running rampant in this case - we don't need THAT energy. What we need most now is positive energy (however you define that - prayer, meditation, white light) and a break in the case. I do believe it will come.

My Opinion

GetSmart · #**155** 06-29-2008, 03:04 PM

Good Point FC

oceanblueeyes · #**156** 06-29-2008, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FlowerChild

But no-one SAW Couey. No-one could link Couey to his crime outside his own cronies and family who were as tweaked out as he was. And he did live within a few hundred feet of his victim...in a trailer park with 100 other trailers - hardly isolated or hidden - and he was caught - pretty quickly too.

In this case we have outside witnesses to the POI and a sketch of him...as well as a description of his vehicle. While our POI could indeed be "anywhere" at this point, he is not invisible and cannot spend the rest of his life without a single contact in the "outside world". He may hide, but it can't last, eventually he will have to step out into a world where someone could make that connection between him and the sketch. I think there is far more to this case than we are privy to - and I think they are closer to solving it than we know. Like Couey, the person responsible for this horrific crime will eventually make a mis-step and be caught and held accountable for his actions - and we will have another resident for Oklahoma's Death Row.

I know it is frustrating and makes us ALL angry it is going so slowly - I suggest this might help all of us who have taken these girls into our hearts: Visualize the best possible outcome for all concerned and hold Taylor and Skyla in your mind as you do. Know that what you seek (the best outcome) will become reality. There is plenty of emotion and anger and pain running rampant in this case - we don't need THAT energy. What we need most now is positive energy (however you define that - prayer, meditation, white light) and a break in the case. I do believe it will come.

My Opinion

While I too try to remain optimistic in total support for these grieving family members I am not so sure he will be found quickly.

We have no idea where he is now. He very well could be anywhere and that place could be self sustaining for him where he would not have to venture out for anything or a need to do so. Really looking for a POI, who by all accounts was unknown in the area the crime was committed in, is like looking for a needle in a haystack of 300 million people. Even the OK tag could have been stolen.

I remember Agent Brown referred to "your group" as if compelling someone that is in the group that is hiding him out to come forward. However many times they will not rat out one of their own.

We have seen that happen in other cases where people knew who did the murder all along yet never told a soul until years later when they were no longer around them and didn't feel so fearful.

So I do hope and pray they are close to finding this man. Brown said she thinks finding this man will quickly resolve this case but now it is going on nearly a month and I certain hope they have more solid information to go on than what they have been saying in public. If not then the families must be very worried.

imoo

FlowerChild · #**157** 06-29-2008, 03:56 PM

We don't have to find the POI to solve this case. Just somebody (anybody) who knows something about the crime. If the POI wasn't alone in this, then there are OTHER PEOPLE who know ...any one of whom could blow this case wide open.

Would it be nice to find the POI today, sure, would it necessarily solve the case? Maybe not. I'll settle for some guilty little peon who knows something and can't live with the guilt. And if the POI is in hiding then there has to be at least one more person who is helping him - and they could have a fight tomorrow.

All it takes is ONE PERSON to blow this whole thing wide open, just ONE PERSON. I continue to focus on human nature - which almost invariably leads someone to spill his or her guts - either out of guilt or anger or self protection. The house of cards only needs ONE WEAK POINT to fall into a heap. And human nature almost guarantees that the longer we go, the more likely it is that the circle of those who "know" continues to grow and that one of those people will find it necessary to share what they know with LE.

The more time that passes, the safer the killer(s) feel and as that happens more people will come to know a small part of the "secret". With every day the better the chances that someone will get into a situation where they will reveal what they know. Criminals are hardly known for their high IQ - and there were mistakes made in this crime and the killer(s) will continue to make mistakes. They will trust the wrong person or lower their guard or do something stupid that will put them in jail for something else. Even the greatest crime organizations have been leveled by one tiny wrong move....and I don't believe we are dealing with anything like that here...just the run-of -the-mill dumb criminal who can't even get control of his own crime scene. STUUUPID!

The killer(s) will reach the end of the rope eventually and free-fall into hell. There is much the OSBI knows and much we cannot know - but as they said, the noose is tightening and soon will snare the prey.

Even Bundy and the Green River Killer were eventually run to ground.
My Opinion

kahskye · #**158** 06-29-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by oceanblueeyes

But would someone who was already 19 give the child to her parents to raise as their own child?

When I was in my early 20's, a friend who I worked w/ and partied w/ was letting her parents raise her little boy as their own. She had him at 18 and he was 4 at that time and just thought of him mom as his sister.

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Originally Posted by Tom'sGirl

I have no idea, but in most States it doesn't matter what level of Education the parents have when a child is on Independent Study and doing their work at home.

Yeah, I didn't think of that. My ex's cousin (biker) kept his youngest dd after his ex (mom of kid) lost her first two children due to her meth addiction. He got full custody of her around 3 or 4. She started kindergarten a year late, then he decided to "see the states" and pulled her out another year. She was 9 (turning 10) and in the 2nd grade.

BTW, do you live in Oklahoma?

No, I just started emailing this reporter and he emailed back.

ArizonaGiGi · #**159** 06-29-2008, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by Patience

Is that Badillo? Opinions here have discounted Badillo, but I have to tell you that I would not clear him yet.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/alert/badillo_jg.htm

quote=Annie;There is a sentence in there that he may be trying to disguise his appearance by growing his hair long. How long would it grow in three years?[/quote]

Annie, Hair grows about 1/2 inch per month = 18" in 3 years, give or take. I would not discount him as the POI. IMO Anything is possible. This second photo of him could be mistaken for NA. Imagine him without the facial hair and a cap on. He def looks more like the POI in this photo than the first photo. good find!

ArizonaGiGi · #**160** 06-29-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FlowerChild

But no-one SAW Couey. No-one could link Couey to his crime outside his own cronies and family who were as tweaked out as he was. And he did live within a few hundred feet of his victim...in a trailer park with 100 other trailers - hardly isolated or hidden - and he was caught - pretty quickly too.

In this case we have outside witnesses to the POI and a sketch of him...as well as a description of his vehicle. While our POI could indeed be "anywhere" at this point, he is not invisible and cannot spend the rest of his life without a single contact in the "outside world". He may hide, but it can't last, eventually he will have to step out into a world where someone could make that connection between him and the sketch. I think there is far more to this case than we are privy to - and I think they are closer to solving it than we know. Like Couey, the person responsible for this horrific crime will eventually make a mis-step and be caught and held accountable for his actions - and we will have another resident for Oklahoma's Death Row.

I know it is frustrating and makes us ALL angry it is going so slowly - I suggest this might help all of us who have taken these girls into our hearts: Visualize the best possible outcome for all concerned and hold Taylor and Skyla in your mind as you do. Know that what you seek (the best outcome) will become reality. There is plenty of emotion and anger and pain running rampant in this case - we don't need THAT energy. What we need most now is positive energy (however you define that - prayer, meditation, white light) and a break in the case. I do believe it will come.

My Opinion

Just because witnesses saw the POI doesn't mean he looks like what they saw.As a newbie (sorry can't remember who) pointed out, the POI may have been wearing a hat with the ponytail sewn into it. A costume type of thing. So perhaps the POI doesn't even have long hair and is hiding in plain sight. Sadly nothing would surprise me at this point.

oceanblueeyes · #**161** 06-29-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ArizonaGiGi

Just because witnesses saw the POI doesn't mean he looks like what they saw.As a newbie (sorry can't remember who) pointed out, the POI may have been wearing a hat with the ponytail sewn into it. A costume type of thing. So perhaps the POI doesn't even have long hair and is hiding in plain sight. Sadly nothing would surprise me at this point.

Since the artist said that several witnesses told him about the POI I believe he does look very much like the sketch. His facial features would not change even if he had long or short hair.

I don't think he was wearing a fake ponytail sewn into his hat. The side view of the POI shows he has hair below the hat area and then the ponytail starting at the base of his neck.

imo

SeriouslySearching · #**162** 06-29-2008, 06:52 PM

I have never seen a NA hat with an extra-long pony tail sewn into it here or anywhere. I have seen the reggae hats with the dreadlocks tho. Those wouldn't pass as NA to anyone.

I think he could be hiding out in a number of places and it might take awhile to track him. If he was the type to live off the land, it adds another layer of him being off the grid. This could be indicated if the story the girl's atty said was true about him being sighted by other family members on their property.

I believe the truck is probably an older one and it is his. I actually lean more towards it being a Ford. I remember a NA buddy of mine never owning a Chevy because Ford used names like "Mustang" and other things he associated with his culture. He even put his palm print in paint on the back side of his truck like you would brand a horse. LOL Anyway, just an observation of one NA's way of seeing things.

New Mexico would be a good place to search for the guy.

Badillo is probably south of the border now. I don't think he is involved in this at all. He has no resemblance to the POI, imo.

Feeling Nostalgic · #**163** 06-29-2008, 08:03 PM

No where does it state that it is a NA hat. It is stated it is a cap. If you visit the following URL. There are several selections of these caps. You can choose the color hair as well. These caps are not the cheesy ones with just a simple ponytail hanging out of the back of it.

http://store.baronunlimited.com/hatscaps.html

Sorry had to point that out. Reggae hats are not the only ones out there.

TeeOne · #**164** 06-29-2008, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Feeling Nostalgic

No where does it state that it is a NA hat. It is stated it is a cap. If you visit the following URL. There are several selections of these caps. You can choose the color hair as well. These caps are not the cheesy ones with just a simple ponytail hanging out of the back of it.

http://store.baronunlimited.com/hatscaps.html

Sorry had to point that out. Reggae hats are not the only ones out there.

Not to make fun, but this must be one of the hat's Tony Little (exercise equipment guru) wears all the time. I know this is a moot point, but just had to get it in here...lol

Mysterylover · #**165** 06-29-2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Feeling Nostalgic

No where does it state that it is a NA hat. It is stated it is a cap.

If you visit the following URL. There are several selections of these caps.

You can choose the color hair as well. These caps are not the cheesy ones with just a simple ponytail hanging out of the back of it.

http://store.baronunlimited.com/hatscaps.html

Sorry had to point that out. Reggae hats are not the only ones out there.......

I read somewhere the POI was wearing a BLACK Base-Ball type Cap....imo

Tom'sGirl · #**166** 06-29-2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TeeOne

Not to make fun, but this must be one of the hat's Tony Little (exercise equipment guru) wears all the time. I know this is a moot point, but just had to get it in here...lol

O/T reply...........

LOL, I always wondered about his hair and that hat!

SeriouslySearching · #**167** 06-29-2008, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Feeling Nostalgic

No where does it state that it is a NA hat. It is stated it is a cap. If you visit the following URL. There are several selections of these caps. You can choose the color hair as well. These caps are not the cheesy ones with just a simple ponytail hanging out of the back of it.

http://store.baronunlimited.com/hatscaps.html

Sorry had to point that out. Reggae hats are not the only ones out there.

Welcome to WS, Feeling Nostalgic! Hahahaha~ Guess you got me there. I guess people want that fake mullet look. Who knew?!

By the way...I didn't mean it was a NA hat exactly. I was only talking in general terms about how I had seen the Reggae hats...but not one with long, straight black hair that would make one LOOK NA. We all know NA "hats" have feathers!

Yes, he was wearing a black baseball cap.

Ruflossn · #**168** 06-29-2008, 10:10 PM

We all know NA "hats" have feathers!

S.S.~
That was FUNNY!!!

Claycat · #**169** 06-29-2008, 10:27 PM

Lol, ss!

Tom'sGirl · #**170** 06-29-2008, 10:34 PM

[quote= We all know NA "hats" have feathers!

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They do?, dang, then I'm taking the one I bought back

Ruflossn · #**171** 06-29-2008, 10:36 PM

Hi Claycat,

Lots of things going on at Topix tonight. I am glad you are sharing your ideas.

GetSmart · #**172** 06-29-2008, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom'sGirl

O/T reply...........

LOL, I always wondered about his hair and that hat!

I was in a hurry so it isn't very good , but just for giggles

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philamena · #**173** 06-30-2008, 12:27 AM

Can someone tell me if the people who heard the gun fire, if they heard one or two guns?
In other words did it sound like the guns were fired simultaneously. TIA

SeriouslySearching · #**174** 06-30-2008, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by philamena

Can someone tell me if the people who heard the gun fire, if they heard one or two guns?
In other words did it sound like the guns were fired simultaneously. TIA

To my knowledge, they did not release that information. All they did say was that they were "unusual".

SeriouslySearching · #**175** 06-30-2008, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom'sGirl

They do?, dang, then I'm taking the one I bought back

LOL If you don't have an Eagle feather...you are getting a bad deal and I would take it back, too.