Brooke Bennett, 12 years old Randolph VT #14

[jnodrog]

Originally Posted by MCDRAW

I'm sure he knew her work habits. But I really think he took her somewhere else.

or maybe whoever posted earlier that Denise was out of town.
maybe the date this was supposed to happen had to change because Denises trip out of town was changed by her employer.
That would cause them to postpone the kidnapping for a few days etc...

Allen

[Medea]

Originally Posted by close_enough

i don't either, but it's possible they were "wannabe sophisticated"......just sickening....i don't know how many times to say that word...sickening!...i must say though, i'm glad all these folks are, for the most part, stuck on stupid....

My theory is that Jacques ability to control AR and brainwash her fed into his delusions of being a master criminal...he could have done a couple of google searches and found out that the fake messages would track back to him if the police ever checked. This plot was destined to fail from the beginning.

[DianeB]

He's been abusing AR for 5 years in the house he shares with Denise, she has found lubricant, porn, sex toys and her daughter in a towel upstairs with Jacques and a dry shower...and none of this apparently registered with her, so why would Jacques worry about her?

He appears to have been more concerned about Brooke's mother and sister than he was about his wife, and frankly I can see why if she bought the story that her daughter was holding sex toys "for a friend". I would love to have seen the look on the investigators' faces when she came out with that one.

[cheko1]

Originally Posted by Adalena935

Yeah, I didn't spend a lot of time pouring over those communications since in the affidavits FBI said it was Gagnon & Jacques's computers and phone record communications at the time. I think it was all hoaxed by Gagnon & Jacques.

Except maybe for the one msg from JUVENILE 1. But there again she was so 100% totally lied to about everything for her entire life (according to affidavits) she was living in a realm that never existed.

Juvie 1 was lied to from the time she was 9 yrs old.
She is now 14 yrs old does anyone know her birth date? When she'd be 15?

I understand she was lied to for 5 yrs. / I also understand the mental abuse she was under. But at what age would she become an accomplice? I don't buy the fact she just did what she was told to do by MJ & others & that Breckenridge was a government organization.

She was having sex with MJ / her boyfriend / & apparently whoever else she was told to have sex with. I find this hard to believe, am I the only one?

[MCDRAW]

Originally Posted by MistyGirl

Hi Chica - Thanks for the info, I was trying to piece this all together.

As far as Denise goes is I were "her" and had NO prior knowledge of my husband sexually abusing my daughter and found out he had been for 5 years and sexually abused & KILLED my niece.....you wouldn't see me standing by the POS in a court room....BUT you wold hear my sreaming from my lungs I want the harshest punishment possilbe and I didn't know and had no involvement what so ever.

I think she knew WAYYYYYY more and it will come out soon......

MN what a great place :-)

I'm not sure she was there to support Jacques.

[Adalena935]

Originally Posted by IMBY

Seems to me that you can't have it both ways...

Some seem to think that there is some huge child porn operation that has been going on for years, including filming, sale, distribution, ties to russian porn industry, etc..

However, the ineptitude with regard to computers/internet of the part of these guys is pretty staggering:

Logging in to someone else's myspace account from a public library (and/or from your home/work computer)?!?
Telling LE "Oh yeah, by the way, I *did* have child porn, but it's gone now." Hello?!? why even mention it if he thought that it had been "disposed of"?

Even if these guys were involved in just VIEWING/downloading child porn for any length of time, you would think that they would have to know about IP address anonymizers (as mentioned in these threads), etc, etc. I would expect that if they wanted to distribute this stuff, their potential "customers" would try to make sure that they at least knew what they were doing.

Certainly doesn't sound like "big time", to me.

I think a lot of child porn criminals are unsophisticated. I don't think it's a matter of having it one way or the other. I think there's a wider grey area to be considered.

How sophisticated does a man have to be to rape a 6 yr old, take pictures, be on news groups, use codes to sell the pictures he took of his home manufactured child porn? Then several thousand others do the same and sell it around to the news group pals using pre-arranged codes to belong to the news groups in the first place for this purpose; and him buy theirs?

I was googling last nite and reading on how the FBI and International law enforcement agencies track these people and it was interesting. But no one has to be particularly bright to belong to one of these news groups on the net or go undetected for years.

It took a child's murder.

[becca]

Originally Posted by Medea

My theory is that Jacques ability to control AR and brainwash her fed into his delusions of being a master criminal...he could have done a couple of google searches and found out that the fake messages would track back to him if the police ever checked. This plot was destined to fail from the beginning.

Just because they were stuck on stupid doesn't mean others weren't just as stupid. Stupid flocks together when it comes to these POS. AR said she was with other men besides MJ... we know about RG so who else was that stupid in that little town? She said she was drugged... do we believe that they didn't know about GHB? Do we really believe that only two men were involved ?
Stupid has a way of attracting others that are just as stupid..... there are more and they will go down on a wide range of charges from sex with a minor, to kiddie porn ... owning, distributing it ....

[DianeB]

But at what age would she become an accomplice?

Stockholm syndrome? She seems to have been identifying with her tormentor.

I'm not sure she was there to support Jacques.

Nor am I.

[mercibeaucoup]

Originally Posted by Liz

I've been scratching my head about something since we first heard it and it really bugs me ....

Does anyone have a reasonable explanation as to *WHY* Gagnon EVER admitted to LE, in the first place, that he possessed (any) Porn??

I feel that he was trying to throw LE off by saying he had porn and it was in a (never existing, IMO) safe that had been thrown away somewhere in San Antonio... knowing that he has no more child porn anywhere in the state of Texas, and that without evidence they can't prosecute him for child porn no matter what he says.

[SeriouslySearching]

Originally Posted by DianeB

Maybe Jacques had photos of their encounter with AR the previous year?

I think so. I think they both did.

[Liz]

Originally Posted by close_enough

Gevalia's (french name i can't type, lol)....i always empty the packages & put it in a 'tight lock' canister, after opening....i love this stuff...strong, but soooo good.....cheers!

Me too! Right into the "Lock n Lock" it goes!

[SailorMoon]

Afternoon all. I'm reading and trying to keep up..just not posting much. Appreciated the pics the IMBY posted. Question and it may have been covered already. Saw a uhaul truck in the rental house drive. What's up with that?

I think this is the tip of the iceburg. People are probably so creeped out...I mean..what else could a person say? Have we determined if AR is in foster care or away from the MOM who was supposed to be raising and taking care of her??

Originally Posted by jnodrog

I was in the area again today there are a few little logging type roads that head up into the woods on the east side of Crocker Rd. This sugarhouse could be up one of those.

The location of the old shack that IMBY had a picture of doesnt look all that disturbed.

What is thought to be a screen on the roof, looks to me like a porch roof skylight thing, really hard to tell though.

Also there was a person walking the woodline behind the MJ home, and 2 vehicles in the old farmhouse yard, the black one doesnt look like its moved from when i was there saturday, the other a silver vehicle.

Allen

[philamena]

Originally Posted by MCDRAW

I'm not sure she was there to support Jacques.

Why not? She's married to him!

[LI_Mom]

Originally Posted by Adalena935

I think a lot of child porn criminals are unsophisticated. I don't think it's a matter of having it one way or the other. I think there's a wider grey area to be considered.

How sophisticated does a man have to be to rape a 6 yr old, take pictures, be on news groups, use codes to sell the pictures he took of his home manufactured child porn? Then several thousand others do the same and sell it around to the news group pals using pre-arranged codes to belong to the news groups in the first place for this purpose; and him buy theirs?

I was googling last nite and reading on how the FBI and International law enforcement agencies track these people and it was interesting. But no one has to be particularly bright to belong to one of these news groups on the net or go undetected for years.

It took a child's murder.

It's probably not so much that they're stupid but that their 'addiction' is so out of control that they take greater & greater risks.

[Carrington]

I would think child porn sites work the same as regular porn sites, only more secret.
I imagine it would be like getting into any other pay site. Legit E-mail address and credit card.
I have never tried to find child porn sites. I guess you would start by changing your security level to none.

IMO

[edgeofnight]

Thank-you VTNance for the defintions of skittles. I am more naive than I thought I thought it was the candy called skittles. The last name of Gagnon is a very common name where I grew up in Wisconsin, pronounced differently. Must admit Denise is prettier than I thought she would be. I really think also that she knew what was going on in her house maybe not everything, but at least a good amount. I am wondering if she will show up at the funeral, with fake crying and concern.

[close_enough]

Originally Posted by jnodrog

I was in the area again today there are a few little logging type roads that head up into the woods on the east side of Crocker Rd. This sugarhouse could be up one of those.

The location of the old shack that IMBY had a picture of doesnt look all that disturbed.

What is thought to be a screen on the roof, looks to me like a porch roof skylight thing, really hard to tell though.

Also there was a person walking the woodline behind the MJ home, and 2 vehicles in the old farmhouse yard, the black one doesnt look like its moved from when i was there saturday, the other a silver vehicle.

Allen

interesting....thank for this info
i'm going to check out those other pics again....

[Carrington]

Originally Posted by MCDRAW

I'm not sure she was there to support Jacques.

I would have told the press that, and removed all doubt. If that was the case.

[DianeB]

Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching

I think so. I think they both did.

So who was holding the camera?

[CarpeDiem]

Originally Posted by cheko1

Juvie 1 was lied to from the time she was 9 yrs old.
She is now 14 yrs old does anyone know her birth date? When she'd be 15?

In October, it's in the documents.

[gigi2009]

Originally Posted by Carrington

I would think child porn sites work the same as regular porn sites, only more secret.
I imagine it would be like getting into any other pay site. Legit E-mail address and credit card.
I have never tried to find child porn sites. I guess you would start by changing your security level to none.

IMO

Child porn is extremely valuable to these people. They file share is how they pass it along to each other. There are thousands of file sharing sites. Very little cost to become a member. Most of the child porn files are coded/named certain ways in order to be recognized and downloaded. They also trade files through web based emails. The more you share, the more you receive.

[LI_Mom]

Originally Posted by SailorMoon

Afternoon all. I'm reading and trying to keep up..just not posting much. Appreciated the pics the IMBY posted. Question and it may have been covered already. Saw a uhaul truck in the rental house drive. What's up with that?

I think this is the tip of the iceburg. People are probably so creeped out...I mean..what else could a person say? Have we determined if AR is in foster care or away from the MOM who was supposed to be raising and taking care of her??

I don't know who that house belongs to.... it's possible they had things there & wanted to remove it before it's stolen by curiosity seekers?


None of the pics seemed to be an ongoing crime scene.


There hasn't been any news about ANY of the minors (AR, BF, siblings of Brooke or AR) as far as I know.

[angelwngs]

Originally Posted by Medea

snip~He could have refused to help Jacques and then destroyed all of his porn. How then could Jacques have harmed him? It would only be the word of a child rapist and killer againt his. His porn and photos of AR would be gone. AR is already pretty far gone...he could have denied it.~snip

There could be video or photographic evidence of him with AR in MJ's possession.

[LI_Mom]

Originally Posted by DianeB

So who was holding the camera?

Could have been a tripod.

[VTNance]

Originally Posted by DianeB

I think 'Sam' was intended to be someone who attended a school somewhere in the area but wasn't necessarily from there. The fake 'skittlemeup' email says "I hate that I won't see u til ur classes start again in the fall", which makes me think he was supposed to be older, maybe in college?

That's a good point, there is a small college, Vermont Technical College, in Randolph Center. They could have been trying to make it seem like a student from the college was involved, just to further complicate the issue. The planted semen may never have been intended to be traced to Juve2; merely to deflect suspicion from MJ, because what were they going to do, DNA test every male in the town? If Juve2 would not have had any other reason to come under suspicion...his DNA only serves to throw LE off the track from MJ.

But I think the ruses set up in the MySpace page were different from the ruses used on Brooke. The "skittlemeup" message was intended to be read by LE and others, not Brooke.

I think "Sam" refers to a local boy that Brooke may have liked, someone from school or a nearby school,... maybe a friend of Juve2. It sounded to me like they thought that the mention of "Sam" was really going to spark a response in Brooke.... that he was a known quantity. If so, he may have no idea they were using his name as a lure.