Brooke Bennett, 12 years old Randolph VT #22 - Page 11

Lola · #**251** 10-08-2008, 12:26 PM

What a coward, he can't even stand up like a man in court. Guess his bravado only works on little girls....Westerfield can move over, there's a new and lower scum in town.

soyesterday · #**252** 10-10-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by soyesterday

Hi
I'm not sure how much we're allowed to talk about AR on here...but even just looking at her myspace pic....something gives me a bad feeling...like an uneasy feeling about her....it's almost like a "flashback" kinda feeling...like a "type" of person i knew back in high school....the kinda girl that you didn't really want as a "friend", but you didn't want her as an enemy more so you kept her as a "friend"...does that make sense?
IF she was involved in...or knew that something bad was going to happen to Brooke...and poor Brooke isn't even here anymore, how in the world could she be "ok" w/ that?
How can she be going on like nothing happened at all?

Why isn't she sad? distraught? disgusted? anything?

It makes me sick...and yes i know she went through hell too...i know that...i get that....
i was abused for years too...not nearly to the extent she was....
but her cousin is DEAD...she didn't even have a chance....
and she was possibly a part of all this.....

i hope i don't get in trouble for writing all this...
please tell me if i should delete it ok???
I took a long break from this case cuz it was sooooo upsetting to me....i got caught up in Caylee's case for a while....
but i came back to try to continue about Brooke....
how has her mom been handling this stuff?
Does anyone know?
I mean her own sister's husband...
have people seen the sisters together at all?
Like in court or anything?
Have you all looked at Savannah's myspace page lately?
It's so sad

....her "quote" and stuff....

I'm quoting myself here, cuz i haven't seen much back about what i said and i kinda wanted to add a little bit too...
i really hope this is ok to write, but i just have so many mixed up emotions about what i feel about AR.
To me, i feel like she should be held responsible in some way for her part in this...i mean i know she was a victim of MJ too...
but to me...she was old enough to know better....to keep Brooke from getting hurt...to warn her...to tell someone...to speak up somehow...i just don't get it....she could have been the way to help save her cousin's life...i mean how do you hate someone that much???...and even more so that she is living her life as "normal" as can be...and why would anyone at this point want to have anything to do her?...why would anyone want to be her friend?...how can anyone trust her?...look how she betrayed her own family?...it bothers me so much....she should not be allowed to be going on like this...it's scary to me actually that she is allowed to be living her life free and normal...i wouldn't want my kids around her at all if it was my choice....
am i way out there???

twinkiesmom · #**253** 10-10-2008, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bdmama

http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=9136707

Another article about his past conviction.

Isn't this yet ANOTHER conviction? The one we knew about was a relative in 1985 (charges dropped) and a conviction in 1992...this one is a neighbor in 1987. And looks like the state of VT hid this crime...the victim was barely able to prove that the conviction happened because the record was expunged.

Lola · #**254** 10-11-2008, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by soyesterday

I'm quoting myself here, cuz i haven't seen much back about what i said and i kinda wanted to add a little bit too...
i really hope this is ok to write, but i just have so many mixed up emotions about what i feel about AR.
To me, i feel like she should be held responsible in some way for her part in this...i mean i know she was a victim of MJ too...
but to me...she was old enough to know better....to keep Brooke from getting hurt...to warn her...to tell someone...to speak up somehow...i just don't get it....she could have been the way to help save her cousin's life...i mean how do you hate someone that much???...and even more so that she is living her life as "normal" as can be...and why would anyone at this point want to have anything to do her?...why would anyone want to be her friend?...how can anyone trust her?...look how she betrayed her own family?...it bothers me so much....she should not be allowed to be going on like this...it's scary to me actually that she is allowed to be living her life free and normal...i wouldn't want my kids around her at all if it was my choice....
am i way out there???

I don't think you're way out there, so. On the one hand you'd feel sorry for her, but there are other kids to have as friends.....would you want your child around a mother this irresponsible? Could your child have a sleep over? Who knows where AR's head is, it's pretty clear that her mother's is somewhere the sun doesn't shine, but the daughter.....and even the younger daughter. Who knows what went on in that household. Life's too short and we don't know what will impact our kids - I'd vote better to be safe than sorry. My big mantra on that score is always talk to your kids so they feel that they can come to you if something is bothering them.

bdmama · #**255** 10-11-2008, 02:21 PM

I talked to a woman today who used to be very close w/ MJ & Denise & Cassie until this happened. She toldme that AR hasmoved out of the house and is now living w/ her Godmother and IS getting counseling once a week. Denise is not working and has completely shut everybody out of her life. (The Godmother was brutally attacked about 11-12 years ago by a neighbor teenager. He beat her, slashed her throat and left her for dead. Hei s currently serving a life sentence for attempted murder.) This woman is a very nice and respectable person in the community and I hope she can provide AR w/ the help she needs seeing how she herself has been thru such a traumatic experience and has gone on to live a normal life. AR is facing NO charges whatsoever for her role in Brookes death. I do not agree with this. She also told me that Brooke and her stepmother really didnt get along and that is the reason that Jim didnt get to be as big a part of her life as he would have liked to.

Leanne · #**256** 10-11-2008, 07:47 PM

I am so glad that AR's Godmother has stepped in but I don't believe once a week counselling is anywhere near enough to be helpful.

Lola · #**257** 10-12-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Leanne

I am so glad that AR's Godmother has stepped in but I don't believe once a week counselling is anywhere near enough to be helpful.

But it's a start, it's a relief to hear that AR is getting some sort of help.

Thanks for the update bdmama. I hear ya, on the charges, bd, but I don't feel that I know enough of the case or understand enough about the impact on AR to have a balanced opinion on this. Til more about her involvement is out, it's hard to know where she was in all of this. She's been brainwashed since she was 9. Her view on right and wrong is probably so skewed that it would be considered diminished capacity or something of the sort. It may be better to get her to open up and tell everything she knows.

I just hope they get Jacques and Gagnon behind bars for good.

shwa · #**258** 10-13-2008, 01:17 PM

Im trying to do some research on Michael Jacques, as where he lived and worked prior to his arrest.
I know his last address in Vermont and his last employment which started in March 2007 in New Hampshire.
He lived in Randolph VT for quite sometime, but where was he working before March 2007?

bdmama · #**259** 10-13-2008, 06:08 PM

I know he worked at Vermont Castings at some point, my mother worked with him. She got done years ago but I'm not sure when he did.

lightinthedark · #**260** 10-14-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by shwa

Im trying to do some research on Michael Jacques, as where he lived and worked prior to his arrest.
I know his last address in Vermont and his last employment which started in March 2007 in New Hampshire.
He lived in Randolph VT for quite sometime, but where was he working before March 2007?

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TaylorConn · #**261** 10-15-2008, 01:15 PM

I can't help but wonder how he got that way, and what the other siblings may be going thru with this and whatever they may have endured growing up. I know he has the sister there as mentioned in previous posts, but I also know he has a brother in Topeka, Kansas although I am not sure of the actual bloodline. Not sure how many siblings there are and if they grew up in the same environment, hopefully they have not and will not manifest like he did.

bdmama · #**262** 10-17-2008, 06:23 AM

another article on his first victim....

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs....WS01/810170372

lightinthedark · #**263** 10-17-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bdmama

She also told me that Brooke and her stepmother really didnt get along and that is the reason that Jim didnt get to be as big a part of her life as he would have liked to.

This isn't true.

lightinthedark · #**264** 10-17-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TaylorConn

I can't help but wonder how he got that way, and what the other siblings may be going thru with this and whatever they may have endured growing up. I know he has the sister there as mentioned in previous posts, but I also know he has a brother in Topeka, Kansas although I am not sure of the actual bloodline. Not sure how many siblings there are and if they grew up in the same environment, hopefully they have not and will not manifest like he did.

I believe the brother is his actual brother, he's a lawyer and wrote a letter to the Judge praising Jacques when he was trying to get off porbation early. You can find the letter online some where, I can't remember where I read it though.

chicoliving · #**265** 10-18-2008, 01:52 AM

A Texas man was arrested Friday on allegations that he helped destroy evidence implicating the former stepfather of a 12-year-old Vermont girl who was abducted and killed.

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Grosenheider was charged with misprision of a felony -- not reporting or helping cover up a crime.

He was released on $40,000 bond, and another hearing was set for this month. He doesn't have an attorney yet, federal court clerk Aurora Cisneros told The Associated Press.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,440383,00.html

becca · #**266** 10-18-2008, 06:25 AM

I don't even know where to start as far as AR goes. Denise is an adult with some brains- at least she appears to have them.... she just didn't use them. She wanted a house and all the trappings instead of being a parent. I've said it before that she was more worried about herself than her children. You don't live in a house where abuse of any kind is happening and not have a clue. She is the worst kind of parent in my eyes.... she should be right there with MJ..... if it is proven she had a clue - she did nothing about it- charge her too. I am sick of women that get a pass.... this is her daughter.... no free pass. Not any more.... if you know, do nothing to stop it, then you go to jail right along with the abuser.
AR should be in a residential treatment center.. for a long stay . This girl will never have a "normal" life with out it. Once a week is not the treatment she needs. For her to walk around like nothing happened and she played no part in it- there is a deep rooted problem there. She was abused, used and acts like it was no big deal. That doesn't wash with me. This kid has problems coping with reality, no way to convince me otherwise. I'd also take the youngest out of Denise's custody. That way her behavior doesn't get messed up with her mother's or her sisters. better to error on the safe side at this point. Frankly we don't know how much Denise really knew do we? How did MJ feel it was safe to do this with AR ? How did he know he could convince her to not run to her mother? or did she run to her mom? there is something not right about a 9 yr old that didn't say hey mom what is this about? at 9 she should not know enough about sex to understand the implications of her and MJ's actions. So who told her it was ok?
Remember she was 9 not 14. Could that really be the reason Brooke was targeted? she was young but old enough to speak up if something bothered her about someone's behavior.Did she find out something?
sorry for the ramble, but at this hour of the morning and after reading a couple of pages back I had to post.

Amster · #**267** 10-18-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by chicoliving

A Texas man was arrested Friday on allegations that he helped destroy evidence implicating the former stepfather of a 12-year-old Vermont girl who was abducted and killed.

~snip~

Grosenheider was charged with misprision of a felony -- not reporting or helping cover up a crime.

He was released on $40,000 bond, and another hearing was set for this month. He doesn't have an attorney yet, federal court clerk Aurora Cisneros told The Associated Press.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,440383,00.html

This is good news.

bdmama · #**268** 10-18-2008, 01:59 PM

According to a close friend of Denise, she has recently moved out of that house and now has AR living back with her. MJ refuses to sign off on the house so she can sell it and she HAS gone to see him in jail.

lisalei321 · #**269** 10-19-2008, 03:09 PM

I wonder who else will be arrested before everything is said and done?

bdmama · #**270** 10-20-2008, 08:42 AM

I can think of a few people that should be held accountable, but unfortunately, it won't happen.

Tom'sGirl · #**271** 10-21-2008, 01:08 PM

~snip

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The affidavit said Grosenheider, who was previously interviewed, had initially lied to agents about the call but then later admitted Gagnon had called him. The affidavit also said Grosenheider admitted that in May or June, Gagnon had showed him and a co-worker images of child pornography that Gagnon had received on his cell phone.

The affidavit said the images were of a girl in Vermont whom Gagnon claimed to have had sex with. Grosenheider also told agents he later saw the images on Gagnon's computer at the home on Timber Pond Road, and that Gagnon detailed the sexual assault of the girl to Grosenheider.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/31172239.html

bdmama · #**272** 10-25-2008, 06:10 PM

http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=9238635

Psmith · #**273** 10-27-2008, 01:30 AM

Greetings, all.

I am new to this thread. I must say that I am appalled by what happened to BB and what her family did not do in regard to keeping BB safe let alone AR / J1. The computer I am working from does not have my cp available for alteration (mostly keyed to the Caylee Anthony thread) but when I go over, I am deleting all the "fun" things that were mostly keyed to Anthony family lies.

Moratorium in honor, respect for Brooke.

All this time I thought crime novelists were making up stuff. Imagining the worst, etc. NOT. I can see now that most of their sad, shocking horrible stuff is based on real perp crimes and psychotic attitudes most of us will never understand.

I am a little surprised that none of you has really caught on to what the perp did. Sadism. Not "just" pedophelia: extreme cruelty and torture. How many of you actually looked at what he ordered from the place and reviewed purchaser comments? And then the plastic bag over the head with choking?

(words not allowed here)

I agree BB's mom might have known, and Denise certainly should have....

Oh my god.

Look at the company site and the comments by purchasers, plus affidativits per taser by J1 aka AR.

bdmama · #**274** 10-27-2008, 08:23 AM

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I am a little surprised that none of you has really caught on to what the perp did. Sadism. Not "just" pedophelia: extreme cruelty and torture. How many of you actually looked at what he ordered from the place and reviewed purchaser comments? And then the plastic bag over the head with choking?

Yes, most of us are all VERY aware of what those affadavits contained and yes, we have seen what he purchased. I remember there being some lengthy conversations about this very subject.

angelmom · #**275** 10-27-2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Peel

I am a little surprised that none of you has really caught on to what the perp did.

What makes you think we didn't "catch on"? We followed this case from day one and had some brave souls who actually viewed the items and gave warnings so that the rest of us could make informed decisions about having those images in our heads. After reading the comments, I'm still glad I chose not to click on the links. The descriptions haunt me to this day.

There were sleuthers here who figured him out before the news even broke.