The One Thing

ShouldBWorking · #1 08-23-2008, 11:07 AM

Regardless of what you believe, alive/dead, accident/no accident what one thing makes you doubt your own thinking

For me-in the last 911 call when Cindy tells someone in the background that "Zany took her" she seems so comfortable with the name Zany and you don't hear whoever she is talking to but I assume it's George. It makes me believe "Zany" exist, not saying her name is ZG but I think someone in Caylee's life sent by "Zany"

ThoughtElf · #2 08-23-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ShouldBWorking

Regardless of what you believe, alive/dead, accident/no accident what one thing makes you doubt your own thinking

So far, nothing has made me doubt my current belief, but I will read this thread in hopes that something does.

Salem · #3 08-23-2008, 11:14 AM

Lack of the DNA results keeps me on the fence. So far not a word that they have been tied to Caylee. I'm still thinking it could have been someone else in that car?

Salem

miss plum · #4 08-23-2008, 11:21 AM

The trouble (for me) with this is that even if Casey has given Caylee to someone for safekeeping, so she knows isn't kidnapped or dead, but is safe, she hasn't seen her for weeks now yet isn't apparently missing her or fretting about not being in contact with whoever has her. I was visiting someone at a detox unit last week and the mothers in there, none of whom were likely to be described as 'mother of the year' were frantic and sad about not seeing their children after only a few days, despite knowing they were doing the best thing for their children by getting clean, and despite knowing their children were being cared for while they were in there. Their grief was palpable and convincing. Casey's demeanor is not convincing in the slightest.

77NancyDrew · #5 08-23-2008, 11:21 AM

Untill I hear forensic evidence that proves that Caylee was is the trunk of that car I am holding out Hope that this Beautiful little girl is Alive.
As a mother of 3 Beautiful children I just can't make the rash decision that she is no longer with "us" .
I know all the lies , and all that jaz, but taking them all out of the equation, at the end of the day it boils down to cold hard siencetific facts. Untill they come in I will hold out HOPE that Caylee is alvie and hoping that she is safe somewhere on this earth.
This is JMHO straight from my heart, as a Mom.

Hailiejade77 · #6 08-23-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 77NancyDrew

Untill I hear forensic evidence that proves that Caylee was is the trunk of that car I am holding out Hope that this Beautiful little girl is Alive.
As a mother of 3 Beautiful children I just can't make the rash decision that she is no longer with "us" .
I know all the lies , and all that jaz, but taking them all out of the equation, at the end of the day it boils down to cold hard siencetific facts. Untill they come in I will hold out HOPE that Caylee is alvie and hoping that she is safe somewhere on this earth.
This is JMHO straight from my heart, as a Mom.

me as well,... I have a two year old daughter that reminds me so much of Caylee and I would move heaven and earth and confess to every sin I have ever committed if someone took her!

77NancyDrew · #7 08-23-2008, 11:30 AM

me as well,... I have a two year old daughter that reminds me so much of Caylee and I would move heaven and earth and confess to every sin I have ever committed if someone took her!
I wholeheartedly agree with you I would aswell . I have a 3 years old dd that almost died right before her second bithday due to and infection. I would have sold my sould to the devil if I had too.
But I don't think Casey is made like that, I just pray that she has an enlighting moment and starts talking.

JBean · #8 08-23-2008, 11:34 AM

Gosh everything in this case makes me doubt my own thinking.
For me, I continue to hold out hope that she is with someone that is as flakey as Casey and doesn't know what to do.
I am open to all possibilites and have not settled on any one theory or explanation, simply because we do not have all the facts.
If the trunk testing comes back positive for Caylee, then I think that will tell us what we need to know.

Reserving judgment waiting for true information.

poco · #9 08-23-2008, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ShouldBWorking

Regardless of what you believe, alive/dead, accident/no accident what one thing makes you doubt your own thinking

For me-in the last 911 call when Cindy tells someone in the background that "Zany took her" she seems so comfortable with the name Zany and you don't hear whoever she is talking to but I assume it's George. It makes me believe "Zany" exist, not saying her name is ZG but I think someone in Caylee's life sent by "Zany"

Sounds plausible, but it also sounds plausible that Casey talked to her mother on numerous occasions about someone named Zany who was babysitting Caley - of course, that comes before the fact that a REAL ZA was looking at some apartments at SawGrass - continue to color me confused!

MD MOMMY · #10 08-23-2008, 11:48 AM

I have a 3 year old little girl and a 1 year old little boy..One of the several things that makes me doubt my own thinking is the fact that in the early years of Caylee's life Casey talked so much about her on her myspace. I read through ALL the comments and she was talking about Caylee cutting her first tooth etc. Seemingly she APPEARED back then to be so excited and into being a mother. I have(no idea why) such a hard time thinking(even though several other high profile murderers killed their children) thinking someone could do this to their child. I would rather be dead then ANYTHING happening to one of my children. I have a hard time comprehending how anyone could feel differently although I KNOW it's a reality that people do.

The other thing that makes me doubt my thinking is that the DNA evidence has not been revealed...to put Casey back in jail. I have a hard time believing that it isn't back yet and if it is.. did it not come back to reveal any proof that Caylee was in that trunk?

The whole case has me heart broken.

Vegas Bride · #11 08-23-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ShouldBWorking

Regardless of what you believe, alive/dead, accident/no accident what one thing makes you doubt your own thinking

For me-in the last 911 call when Cindy tells someone in the background that "Zany took her" she seems so comfortable with the name Zany and you don't hear whoever she is talking to but I assume it's George. It makes me believe "Zany" exist, not saying her name is ZG but I think someone in Caylee's life sent by "Zany"

I'm thinking Zany is someone Casey made up a long time ago who could be used whenever Casey needed an excuse/alibi. If she didn't want to say where she was really going, who she was going to be with etc, Zany could be brought out and used.
When I was in Jr. High I had a friend (not for long) who made up friends, she would take a small fact and weave all kinds of make believe into it. It wouldn't make sense to most people to do this, but in her mind it was what needed to be done. Casey imo has many problems/issues that began way before Caylee went missing, even before Caylee was born. I have no doubt she was expert at weaving her lies a long time ago. It would be eye opening to read all of her school reports, what did the teachers have to say about her? What kind of grades did she really get? What was the real reason she did not graduate?

VB

100%Agave · #12 08-23-2008, 01:10 PM

None of this case makes much sense so I have to say that my first instinct is that Casey killed Caylee (could have been an accident - I don't rule that out) and nothing so far has changed my mind.

Personally the somewhat odd entrance of the BH into this case has somewhat strengthen my opinion because now we are not only getting lies and double speak from the parents but also from them.

It makes me suspicious of their motives because they say focus on Caylee but we see and hear the focus only on Casey. There is something very wrong with what is going on now.

PeteyGirl · #13 08-23-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Salem

Lack of the DNA results keeps me on the fence. So far not a word that they have been tied to Caylee. I'm still thinking it could have been someone else in that car?

Salem

Same here. When her bond got posted, I started wondering if there was something to Casey giving Caylee away or "losing" her somewhere. I guess I'm just entertaining the idea more, not really believing differently.

At the same time, it doesn't take much for a small body to return to nothing and be lost. I just hate to think Caylee is lost forever.

DAWN TREADER · #14 08-23-2008, 01:19 PM

No one I know who has ever smelled human decomposition believes there wasn't a body in the trunk of the car. It's that unmistakable and unforgettable. That being said, we can't and won't know what the stench was that caused Cindy Anthony, LE and a cadaver dog to at least believe a dead body had been in the trunk until the lab analysis is done and the results revealed. What's got me confused is the gas cans being in the trunk. Were they stolen from the shed and placed into the trunk to cover up the smell or compromise the integrity of any DNA evidence? IIRC, in the Scott Peterson trial it was learned that one of the tarps had been found in a shed with a leaking gas leaf blower. Or did she steal the gas cans because she had a faulty gas gauge in the car? Either way, there does not seem to be any rational explanation for abandoning the car with her keys and purse in it IF the car was not out of gas as I have heard but not sure if that's been confirmed or not.

catherineb · #15 08-23-2008, 01:25 PM

What makes me doubt myself is the reactions (lack of or completely wrong) of the family: cindy, george, lee and casey. Casey acts like she knows Caylee is ok. Sometimes I think this is a paternity thing - and the real biological dad has Caylee and threatened harm if the situation was taken to the police.

But, ultimately I know that is wishful thinking. I think it is what it is.....Casey had something to do with the poor little girls' death and now a huge cover up is happening before us.

Sliver · #16 08-23-2008, 01:29 PM

I want to believe that Caylee is safe and hidden away somewhere. But what I want to believe is not trumped by the things known in this case.

Every case I have followed and granted not that many have always had dark tales of mystery weaved into the plot. Natalie Halloway...talk of underground club scene, drugs, sex slavery, blah blah. Scott Peterson...satanic cult worshippers. But what it really boiled down to was selfish, narcissitic murderers.

Casey did something to Caylee that killed her. She did not confide in anyone, she did not enlist the help of any of her friends, family, PI's etc.

She has a car that smelled of death, family yard that was hit on by cadaver dogs, abandoned a car, abandoned clothes, stole money, and the list goes on and on.

She only let people know her daughter was missing after the cops had become involved and that was to send out a myspace alert! Ok, if the whole thing was so secret and she couldn't tell anyone. Myspace is cetainly not a covert means of dispersing information Caylee was missing. No she was forced to do something visible to appear she was searching for Caylee while covering her butt and deleting incriminating posts.

No, Caylee my head tells me has become a victim of her mothers lack of concern for anyone but herself.

SeriouslySearching · #17 08-23-2008, 01:30 PM

The one thing for me is that neither Casey or Cindy could even remember the last time they saw Caylee. They both got the date horribly wrong. Any person would KNOW the exact date of the day your precious child went missing...except for those two people. Time would have stopped for the rest of us.

OneLostGrl · #18 08-23-2008, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ShouldBWorking

Regardless of what you believe, alive/dead, accident/no accident what one thing makes you doubt your own thinking

For me-in the last 911 call when Cindy tells someone in the background that "Zany took her" she seems so comfortable with the name Zany and you don't hear whoever she is talking to but I assume it's George. It makes me believe "Zany" exist, not saying her name is ZG but I think someone in Caylee's life sent by "Zany"

You make a good point here, one I have felt similar about for awhile.

My feeling about the 911 calls is that it was during them that Cindy was NOT in protection mode of Casey, she was pissed off! Talking of the car smelling like a dead body, wanting to press charges for Casey stealing money and the car.. all of it. At that point Cindy's main focus WAS on Caylee yet she still says "The babysitter stole her".

I don't know.. I am not sure what I believe in this case. I'm waiting for evidence or lack of it. I do know that nothing will surprise me!

JBean · #19 08-23-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching

The one thing for me is that neither Casey or Cindy could even remember the last time they saw Caylee. They both got the date horribly wrong. Any person would KNOW the exact date of the day your precious child went missing...except for those two people. Time would have stopped for the rest of us.

I have to disagree about Cindy. IMO, she didn't realize at the time that she wasn't going to see Caylee beyond the 15th.
For example, I adore all my children. But this minute, if you asked me when I saw them all last, I would have to really think about the exact date. It could have been last week or the week before, not sure on any of them. I might come up with a date and that is off by quite a bit if I were pressed for it right now.

As for casey, no excuse. because she actually knew she was missing..in one way or another.

SeriouslySearching · #20 08-23-2008, 01:46 PM

Except that she already had gone over it with Casey in the car when she gave that date. She had time to figure out the last time she was with Caylee before LE arrived while she was on her myspace page waiting for an hour and a half. It doesn't fly and it was their first common lie which lasted up until the night before the first hearing when she was confronted by the detective.

Tori2 · #21 08-23-2008, 01:47 PM

I am having such a hard time deciding what I believe...it changes from day to day, hour to hour! I, too, want to believe Caylee is alive with someone and that Casey knows who it is but for whatever reason won't tell. That said, I also wonder about the dogs alerting, the smell, etc., etc.

I agree with JBean on the date thing. I can't remember stuff like that at all. All flows together.

What it all boils down to is that I just don't know!!! GRRRR!!

DAWN TREADER · #22 08-23-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching

The one thing for me is that neither Casey or Cindy could even remember the last time they saw Caylee. They both got the date horribly wrong. Any person would KNOW the exact date of the day your precious child went missing...except for those two people. Time would have stopped for the rest of us.

Yes, ITA. Especially given the visit to the nursing home on Father's Day and the picture that someone, perhaps Cindy herself, took of Caylee sitting on her GGP's lap which had been downloaded to a laptop computer. Personally, I gotta believe even if someone couldn't remember the exact date they'd have to at least know if was on FATHER'S DAY and I don't remember Cindy saying that until LE showed them the photo.

Yikes! I just thought of something. Is that the last picture taken of Caylee before she "went missing"? Or did they take pics at the house with Caylee and George?

PeteyGirl · #23 08-23-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by catherineb

What makes me doubt myself is the reactions (lack of or completely wrong) of the family: cindy, george, lee and casey. Casey acts like she knows Caylee is ok.

IMHO the reactions of the family are more about "the family" than about reality. I sure will hope up until the end that their version is the correct one. But dang.

Casey seems to be a creature without a conscience. So reading her reactions is not going to get us anywhere closer to the truth of what happened, or where Caylee is.

Casey operates at a level where she just doesn't want to get busted and "in trouble". She's doing her damndest to avoid the consequences of her actions, just like ALWAYS. All she cares about is avoiding the proverbial spanking. She's too disturbed to be a decent yardstick for anything

yosande · #24 08-23-2008, 02:18 PM

I listened to the last 911 call again last night, and heard Cindy say the last time she saw Caylee was June 7th which was a Saturday. Tony said the last time he saw her was June 2nd at the apt. pool. Christine said she walked on the beach with Caylee and Casey on the 12, 13, or 14th but Christine is Casey's bbf. June 9th is when Casey supposedly moved out and into Amy's apt. but she really didn't as she was staying with Tony. LE have pinned it down to June 15th. The Father's day clip sounds like Caylee is closer to her 2nd birthday not her third, and I wonder if that's another reason Cindy didn't want LE checking the NH. I don't know when or where Cindy and George had a vacation, but I'm thinking it was the week of June 8th-June 15th when she did go see her dad. Cindy and Casey had a fight per neighbors on the 15th, but no mention of Caylee being there at that time. George, Cindy, Casey, and Lee's statements are all without merit because they all lie. However, I do believe Cindy last saw Caylee on June 7th and everything else is cover up.
I want to know more about the vacation dates and where they went, and if they took Caylee with them.
I suspect that Casey got a new bf, and Caylee wasn't part of that plan, and mom and dad were on vacation, and she was left to care for her own kid. I suspect something happened to Caylee sometime before June 16. I believe her mother disposed of her, and has no concern for her whatsoever. I believe the rest of the family has been upset, scared, and concerned for Caylee. I think their focus has been on Casey out of guilt for her being in jail to begin with, but now that she is home they are going to either pretend Caylee was a dream, or look at their daughter for real. I think George already knows but is going with the flow to prevent the explosion and life without their gd. I'm very sad for all of them, even Casey. The parents should have taught their daughter right from wrong, and held her accountable from a child. However, Casey is an adult and responsible for her own actions. The parents should STOP enabling her and face the truth, no matter how painful. They should stop hindering the investigation and confess their crimes to LE. for the sake of their dear precious granddaughter.
My prayer, Lord God, let Justice prevail in this case. What has happened to this little child Caylee Marie Anthony is so wrong.

LCoastMom · #25 08-23-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching

The one thing for me is that neither Casey or Cindy could even remember the last time they saw Caylee. They both got the date horribly wrong. Any person would KNOW the exact date of the day your precious child went missing...except for those two people. Time would have stopped for the rest of us.

I think Cindy just honestly got the date wrong in her mind, she knew they had taken Caylee to visit great gpa on Sunday. June 9th was the Sunday prior to the visit. To Cindy the 4 weeks Caylee had been gone felt like forever. I can see that.

Casey on the other hand was adiment about the 31 days, she knows exactly when she saw her last, her math just stinks.

There are so many variablies in this story, LE could have 3 separate teams on this all going in different directions!

I try to put myself in Casey's shoes in each possible scenerio and I can't do it.
I'm positive there is nothing that would prevent me from moving heaven and earth to find my child, and in any of the given possibilities, I would have dialed 911.

Years ago, when my children were small my husband and I were having problems. One day he took them to the beach and didn't come home when expected. He had never done anything that would make me think they were in any danger, but I was beside myself. Because they should have been home in their own beds and they weren't.

After we divorced, he occationally kept them for a weekend, I hated letting them go (for my own selfish reasons I admit) I missed them! There's no way I could have sat around for 9 weeks without seeing them!

Everything about this story confuses me on every level. And has broken my heart over and over.

Hey Casey! Where's Caylee??