Nancy Grace 9-2-08 #2

[Patty G]

Originally Posted by JustJax

This whole case and all the three ring circus surrounding it is insane Patty.
Nothing would shock me anymore.

Casey confessing would be a real "shocker"!!

[Patty G]

Originally Posted by wedavis

Attention (you know what).

What?

[KR2tonenow]

Originally Posted by boogiebear

I don't think Tim was about to cry because of what Nancy asked, but because of Cindy Anthony talking to him earlier. She told him to go hunt for a live Caylee, and that his search for a dead body was stopping people from looking for a live Caylee. From what I have read and seen of that big hearted man from TES the slightest chance that Caylee was alive and he might be doing something to stop finding her alive, would break his heart. Cindy Anthony used the lack of volunteers to back up her statements, saying if people believed she was dead they would be helping him search. I am disgusted with Cindy for upsetting this man who traveled so far to help find her grand-daughter.

Me too, Tim lost his son as well. Cindy is trying to sabotage the search now. No Caylee/no body would be better for Casey, right?

[chillout8739]

while i cant stand ng's attitude/rudeness to some on her show, she does get the word out on cases. that being said, has anyone ever thought that maybe casey was doing drugs at some place and it got violent so someone hid her daughter in the trunk and casey didnt know? or maybe casey walked in on some kind of drug deal and they took her child and threatened to kill her and/or the rest of her family???? or something of the sort? i just have a weird feeling that we are all nailing casey and possibly not taking all into consideration. i do think she knows way more than what she is telling but maybe she really is in fear for her life and others?

[JustJax]

Originally Posted by melissa311

I think I am a pretty sane person. I'm just putting it out there. I've been respectful of other theories, opinions, what-not.

But whatever.

I worked in an emergency room and also had a schoolmate when growing up that was being raped by her father for years and then murdered by him when she got old and brave enough to start telling people. These things happen more than you know.
I in no way have any right to accuse that in this case, just saying that I would not be shocked.

[McNugget]

Originally Posted by Patty G

What?

Begins with a "wh", rhymes with oar.

[cheko1]

Originally Posted by Baznme

In my book, she crossed a line tonight. You can do your job without badgering the good people that are not there to express an opinion.

Tim came to help find Caylee & bring her home....Tim is NOT a QUITTER!
Anyone who follows these cases knows he would not search 3 days & pack up & quit. Nancy was dumb founded by his revelation.....shocked is more like it!

Cindy HAD to of asked Tim to quit or leave. Cindy doesn't want to find Caylee dead. When Tim stated or let it be known he was looking for remains instead of a live body Cindy freaked out on him. Same as she has done to LP & TP / LE & any others who disagree with her.

These people are so sure Casey is telling the truth they twist everything to make it fit. They make the good guys look like the bad guys!

[katleer]

Originally Posted by melissa311

When Padilla said something about how there was evidence that would shock the nation I just tried hard to imagine what could possibly shock anyone...and that's when I thought of it. There's not much to this case that would shock me at this point, but I felt like a family member being the father and having something to do with her death might.

Actually, it is ironic because I only entertained the family being involved in killing Caylee because Patty seemed so adamant they were involved. Out of respect for her theories I thought...okay, I'll make a leap and ask myself what would motivate the family to become involved in murdering a toddler?

So there you have it. I don't think he's the father. I had a moment and wondered about it. What can I say? I don't know what to say.

I actually started this and I am sorry. I was just trying to figure what LP meant when he said "When the FBI, who has one of the finest labs in the world, comes back with their DNA it is going to SHOCK the world over something that Lee, CAsey, & Cindy have known since Wednesday when they released their preliminary results."

The statement struck me as odd because I can't imagine what else would "shock the world" at this point and I wondered if maybe they were able to learn the identity of the father thru the DNA and it is a family member.

I apologize for causing the confusion.:iamashamed0005:

[faefrost]

Originally Posted by melissa311

When Padilla said something about how there was evidence that would shock the nation I just tried hard to imagine what could possibly shock anyone...and that's when I thought of it. There's not much to this case that would shock me at this point, but I felt like a family member being the father and having something to do with her death might.

Actually, it is ironic because I only entertained the family being involved in killing Caylee because Patty seemed so adamant they were involved. Out of respect for her theories I thought...okay, I'll make a leap and ask myself what would motivate the family to become involved in murdering a toddler?

So there you have it. I don't think he's the father. I had a moment and wondered about it. What can I say? I don't know what to say.

Based on the haunted and physically ill look on LP's face, I think he really does have some inside info on whats coming down.

As far as shocking, I suspect that one of the rumors currently floating around the net may be true. Those two little words "skull fragments". If true that is a truly shocking revelation. Up to this point most of us have more or less believed that Caylee died through some negligent act. Left in the car or drowning in the pool. But as soon as you hear "skull fragments" this is no longer the case. it means the child died in an act of violence.

(Please note everything below this is just pure speculation, based in large part on LP's comments on NG, and on the web rumor concerning the dumpster)

While some may claim that she fell down Tony's stairs, I dont think so. That is just way too easy to prove or disprove. Even this long away some physical evidence of blood and bone would still be found where she fell. And if it was an accidental injury in a public space, with enough force to fracture a skull someone would have noticed the blood and other traces.

Further it would be an extremely rare or incredibly unlucky accident that would put enough force on a childs skull to create fragments. Whereas the far more common explanation for that type of injury is an impact with some form of blunt object that concentrated the force. In other words someone intentionally striking the childs head with a swung heavy object.

I am probably wrong on this. For gods sake I hope I am. But this gives some idea of the sorts of things LP is talking about that may be so shocking.

[Chesapeake]

Originally Posted by Hailiejade77

I went back to listen to the phone call that the girl from myspace called and talked to Leonard and now she has one with Cindy!!!! Here is the thread and link
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...21#post2607421

Isn't it illegal to tape record a conversation without the consent of the other party? Did this girl iinform LP and Cindy they were being recorded?

[Trapshooter]

If this "Tennessee MySpace" girl has "balls" enough to call Cindy Anthony and RECORD the conversation.....let's just hope she has "balls" enough to stand up in court to testify to the fact that she illegally recorded this conversation!

[yolorado]

Originally Posted by MD MOMMY

Unless her pants were wet from the heavy diaper and it went on the carpet? IDK it was odd. And then she talked about Caylee pee'ing on the playhouse???

Good golly. I have never thought this before but I'm starting to think she's in on this with Casey. She knows Caylee's dead and she's the mouthpiece on the outside protecting Casey. SEEMS like if the search is getting to close, she ruins it. Some hint of urine, she explains it. OMG! I'm drinkin' the Cindy is guilty too kool-aide and it tastes pretty good!! This woman is not to be believed...and I mean that literally.

[Reannan]

Originally Posted by ialy

I feel sick. .....Again, sorry for things I've said that are just restatements. I'm sorry to be so upset. I just honestly feel sick beyond sick.

Oh, Ialy - YOUR words in particular read volumes. You see, the eyes on Websleuths are like the eyes that don't blink - they watch eternally. You have been here on WS's since what, 2006?? My God, you have seen and witnessed a LOT of misery. Be at peace because you must also have witnessed instances of justice - right??? There must be those instances - even if only one.

[passin_through]

Tim lost his son as well
Tim lost his daughter, didn't he? They had just moved into the area and his daughter went to use a pay phone and disappeared, right? Then was found much later year? (forget how long) in a field not far from where she went missing. That's what I recall anyhow. Will look for a link...refresh myself of the facts.

[Deborah1012]

Originally Posted by melissa311

I'll give this to you. I asked to be insulted. I did. Fair enough, you took the opportunity and that's fine.

I'll be more careful about how I word things. Because it sure didn't feel good to read your reply.

I don't think you were at all insane to ask that question. I think it's very valid and one I hadn't thought of before.

[Patty G]

Originally Posted by KOOL LOOK

Oh my, LOL now I'm listening to the part of her talking back to Caycee as she's talking on her jail house recordings and she's giving her personal feed back. LOL Hillarious the girls got gusto. I can't believe how entertaining this is. She says what most of us want to say to Caycee. I'm still listening and reading here. Thanks for being a big help here Patty.

She has gusto, but she freaks out when she calls and first hangs up on them and then calls back.

[shell610]

I sent Tim an email in support of what he does...maybe he will get it.

Everyone else send him one too. He look so drugged down. SAD

tim.miller@texasequusearch.org

[kaykakes]

Originally Posted by katleer

I actually started this and I am sorry. I was just trying to figure what LP meant when he said "When the FBI, who has one of the finest labs in the world, comes back with their DNA it is going to SHOCK the world over something that Lee, CAsey, & Cindy have known since Wednesday when they released their preliminary results."

The statement struck me as odd because I can't imagine what else would "shock the world" at this point and I wondered if maybe they were able to learn the identity of the father thru the DNA and it is a family member.

I apologize for causing the confusion.:iamashamed0005:

Are they keeping it from Ga. why doesn't he know?

[PattyCake]

i'm just fuming and I'm certain this has been discussed too. but WE - WE WILL BE TO BLAME? Cindy said tonight on NG that WE will put Caylee in a coffin by not looking for a live child. WE - Not her daughter but US.

She already has her scapegoat. If this child is ever located, she'll blame us for not looking hard enough. I wonder how many people out there do NOT know what Caylee looks like. I can't say that for ALL the missing children out there.

Thanks Cindy, whatever.

[jennyb]

Someone mentioned this the other day, about Caylee possibly not being toilet trained, and this makes me so sad. Her life was too chaotic to even be trained for the toilet. And Cindy talks about her like she's a dog... peeing on the playhouse, peeing on everything. Pathetic.

[LI_Mom]

Originally Posted by JustJax

All I know is I am sick of all thier double-speak. Just watched the re-broadcast of NG because I don't get home in time from work to watch all of it....What LP said at the end just made the hair on the back of my kneck stand and got a sick feeling in my "gut."
Maybe all this mystery and lying about paternity was solved on Wed. and I got this sick feeling that it may be a family member as well.

I'm curious what LP meant about the shock also BUT I saw how 'dramatic' he can be when he was still busy pointing fingers at the nanny & then some friend.

He LOVES the media attention, so we can't discount that he wants to make sure they invite him back again & he wanted to say something that REALLY caught everyone's attention.

I highly doubt the FBI is sharing sensitive info with LP.... maybe just very general clues about how well the case is going & THAT'S why the Padillas wised up & stopped wasting their money on Casey.

[Deputy Andy]

Originally Posted by KR2tonenow

I finally saw the 7pm PST of NG tonight. Leonard nailed it at the end with the statement, that the Anthony's and Casey were told what the FBI evidence is. Leonard states that Cindy is in denial. NG was not mean to Tim. Tim was very emotional. Cindy has made Tim feel badly because he is NOT looking for an alive Caylee.

NG made a very good argument that Cindy should release the phone calls, the sketch of Zenaida, for her theory that Caylee is still alive. If there are sightings in the tips, Cindy is looking for them. Why isn't Cindy down in Texas following up on that lead?

NG is fair. NG is also very hard at times. NG sticks to the facts.

Well, I don't think NG sticks to the facts. She is usually out to crucify her guests. But at times she makes excellent points and observations, and at times I must admit rooting for her, times like tonight. I definitely agree that NG made a good move asking CA to release the phone records. Notice CA was speechless, what, for maybe the first time ever?

I've already posted this a few minutes ago, but since several others here have said the same thing, this show was extremely upsetting tonight. We are entering a very dark place in this case, darker than it's been before.

DA

[PattyCake]

Originally Posted by passin_through

Tim lost his son as well
Tim lost his daughter, didn't he? They had just moved into the area and his daughter went to use a pay phone and disappeared, right? Then was found much later year? (forget how long) in a field not far from where she went missing. That's what I recall anyhow. Will look for a link...refresh myself of the facts.

his son? How did he lose his son? Man - Tim has the weight of the world on his shoulders and he only wanted to do right by Caylee. I'm so crushed for him. and for Cindy to phone in and INSIST she's cooperated fully with Tim? Hummmm. yah right.

[auntbaby]

Originally Posted by Txlurker

BTW how in the world are all these people calling Cindy to give leads on Caylee? Is her number out there for everyone to see or call? Why are the calls not going to the tips line?

I know the answer to all these questions…..she’s full of crapola huh.

Actually I have seen the home and work numbers in the 400 pages and on the myspace pages. I imagine they get many calls from people who have no business calling them. (Not defending them, I like many, have issues with the A's.)

[jennyb]

I'm glad I didn't watch NG tonight. See you soon, folks.