NY-NYC Schoolteacher Missing since Last Friday 8/29/08

[gaia227]

When Hannah Upp, a NYC schoolteacher, failed to show up for the first day of classes on Tuesday her friends and family knew something was definitely wrong.
Hannah told friends she was going away for the weekend (another source says going to her parents--so this is unclear) and would be back Sat. or Sunday. The last time her ATM card was used was to purchase one movie ticket for a theater in Times Sq (either Loews or AMC). When Hannah did not return home on Monday roommates went into her room and found her wallet, ATM card, metrocard, passport, drivers license all left behind. They have peppered their Hamilton Heights neighborhood with flyers and have taken to the internet to try and find Hannah.

From the Facebook account that has been set up:

The last time anyone saw her was around 2pm on the afternoon of Friday, August 29th. According to her roommates, Manny and Sam, she had been planning to go away for the weekend but intended to return on Saturday, perhaps Sunday at the latest. When they had neither seen nor heard from Hannah on Sunday afternoon, they began calling her but each time it went straight to voicemail.

By Monday evening they were getting frantic and so they went into her room, where they discovered her keys, her phone, and her handbag containing her wallet. Her ATM card, her subway card, and her ID (right now just her passport) were all in there. They began calling those of us they recognized from her phone contacts, but no-one knew where she was - apparently people had been trying to get in touch with her since Thursday. As it became clear that no-one knew where she was, Manny and I talked and, with support from others, decided that the police should become involved....
continued at link
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gi...7660472&ref=nf

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=5735316&page=1

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...hin_air-2.html

[soyesterday]

Originally Posted by gaia227

When Hannah Upp, a NYC schoolteacher, failed to show up for the first day of classes on Tuesday her friends and family knew something was definitely wrong.
Hannah told friends she was going away for the weekend (another source says going to her parents--so this is unclear) and would be back Sat. or Sunday. The last time her ATM card was used was to purchase one movie ticket for a theater in Times Sq (either Loews or AMC). When Hannah did not return home on Monday roommates went into her room and found her wallet, ATM card, metrocard, passport, drivers license all left behind. They have peppered their Hamilton Heights neighborhood with flyers and have taken to the internet to try and find Hannah.

From the Facebook account that has been set up:

The last time anyone saw her was around 2pm on the afternoon of Friday, August 29th. According to her roommates, Manny and Sam, she had been planning to go away for the weekend but intended to return on Saturday, perhaps Sunday at the latest. When they had neither seen nor heard from Hannah on Sunday afternoon, they began calling her but each time it went straight to voicemail.

By Monday evening they were getting frantic and so they went into her room, where they discovered her keys, her phone, and her handbag containing her wallet. Her ATM card, her subway card, and her ID (right now just her passport) were all in there. They began calling those of us they recognized from her phone contacts, but no-one knew where she was - apparently people had been trying to get in touch with her since Thursday. As it became clear that no-one knew where she was, Manny and I talked and, with support from others, decided that the police should become involved....
continued at link
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gi...7660472&ref=nf

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=5735316&page=1

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...hin_air-2.html

Oh no.
This sounds really bad.
So noone has seen her since Thursday and all of her things were left behind.
I wonder where she was planning on going for the weekend if not her parents.
Does she have a boyfriend? An exboyfriend?
Are Manny and Sam both guys...just curious...

I love NYC! It's my absolute favorite city in the United States. Reading about her going to the movie in Time Square and things like that sounds like so much fun to me.
It's sad and scary that she is missing....
I hope she is found safe soon.

I also wonder how far away her family lives and if her and her roomates lived right in the City or not.

[Soulscape]

Originally Posted by gaia227

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The last time her ATM card was used was to purchase one movie ticket for a theater in Times Sq (either Loews or AMC). When Hannah did not return home on Monday roommates went into her room and found her wallet, ATM card, metrocard, passport, drivers license all left behind.

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From the Facebook account that has been set up:

[i]The last time anyone saw her was around 2pm on the afternoon of Friday, August 29th.
...

By Monday evening they were getting frantic and so they went into her room, where they discovered her keys, her phone, and her handbag containing her wallet. Her ATM card,

...

Two questions:

1. Does anyone know the date & time she (or someone!) used her ATM debit card to purchase the movie ticket? (Was the ATM/debit card used after 2:30pm on 8/29??)

2. Can anyone provide Hannah Upp's date of birth?

Thanks,
Soulscape

[SteveHuff]

Originally Posted by Soulscape

Two questions:

1. Does anyone know the date & time she (or someone!) used her ATM debit card to purchase the movie ticket? (Was the ATM/debit card used after 2:30pm on 8/29??)

2. Can anyone provide Hannah Upp's date of birth?

Thanks,
Soulscape

Soulscape, I spoke to Arielle Schechter, one of the people running the Facebook group -- Hannah made that ATM withdrawal on Thursday. From what I learned, everyone is reasonably sure she was the one who made it. Forty dollars -- a normal withdrawal. Didn't think to get her exact date of birth, but I can.

Everyone -- I began a thread for this already in Missing Persons Information & Support:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70408

Sadly, after the research I did and after talking to Arielle, I am worried that it's just as appropriate to have a thread here, too.

Steve

[Soulscape]

Originally Posted by SteveHuff

Soulscape, I spoke to Arielle Schechter, one of the people running the Facebook group -- Hannah made that ATM withdrawal on Thursday. From what I learned, everyone is reasonably sure she was the one who made it. Forty dollars -- a normal withdrawal. Didn't think to get her exact date of birth, but I can.

Everyone -- I began a thread for this already in Missing Persons Information & Support:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70408

Sadly, after the research I did and after talking to Arielle, I am worried that it's just as appropriate to have a thread here, too.

Steve

Steve, according to news stories she was born in Portland OR. If you can get her birth date that would be great. If you can get her TIME OF BIRTH that would be awesome. Would the mother consider providing?

Thank you,
Soulscape

[gaia227]

Originally Posted by soyesterday

Oh no.
This sounds really bad.
So noone has seen her since Thursday and all of her things were left behind.
I wonder where she was planning on going for the weekend if not her parents.
Does she have a boyfriend? An exboyfriend?
Are Manny and Sam both guys...just curious...

I love NYC! It's my absolute favorite city in the United States. Reading about her going to the movie in Time Square and things like that sounds like so much fun to me.
It's sad and scary that she is missing....
I hope she is found safe soon.

I also wonder how far away her family lives and if her and her roomates lived right in the City or not.

Hi soyesterday! I am glad you love New York so much, so do I. It is a great city to visit and a greater city to live in (if you can figure out a way to afford it). However, I tend to avoid Times Square like the plague although I do find myself going to the AMC 25 because it has lots of movies and good theaters but normally I try to go to the Clearview Theater further uptown by Lincoln Center.

To answer your question regarding her roommates - they live in the Hamilton Heights neighborhood in which is considered part of Harlem (which is in Manhattan). A lot of students live in the area because of the proximity to Columbia University. I have actually looked at apartments in that area but settled on further uptown.

I am pretty sure her family is in Pennsylvania ( i could be wrong, recalling only from memory). I would imagine if she does not have a car that she would take a train out of Grand Central or Penn Station but from what I have gathered she never purchased a train ticket.

But yeah, it does not sound good. Her friends and family have really been working the internet and media to get the word out. I have seen it mentioned more than once today on NY1, the local news station that focuses on just news in Manhattan and the borroughs.

[gaia227]

Originally Posted by SteveHuff

Soulscape, I spoke to Arielle Schechter, one of the people running the Facebook group -- Hannah made that ATM withdrawal on Thursday. From what I learned, everyone is reasonably sure she was the one who made it. Forty dollars -- a normal withdrawal. Didn't think to get her exact date of birth, but I can.

Everyone -- I began a thread for this already in Missing Persons Information & Support:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70408

Sadly, after the research I did and after talking to Arielle, I am worried that it's just as appropriate to have a thread here, too.

Steve

Hi Steve. Thanks for the info. I did a search before I started this thread but didn't come up with anything - this seems to happen alot and I hope it isn't just me!

I am glad to see you are aware of her disappearence - a lot of people read your blog, including me.

I posted on the facebook page letting them know a thread had been started here and posted a link so hopefully some of Hannah's friends will pop by.

[Wrinkles]

Okay... Long thought process on this... In fact, so long, I may have gone in some circles...

Hello All,

I don't like how this situation with Hannah feels at all and I, like I'm sure that her many loved ones, have a lot of questions.

With all due respect to all who care about her...

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=5735316&page=1
>>Upp's two roommates, a man and a woman, became worried about her Sunday night when they hadn't heard from her, roommate Samantha Gallardo, 25, told ABCNews.com.<<

Wondering how long Hannah had lived in this apartment with her roommates. When did the roommates last see Hannah? What was her demeanor, what was she doing at the time. Were the roommates at the apt. on Thursday? Friday? Saturday? Sunday? Did Hannah sleep at the apartment on Thursday night? By herself (i.e. not with a bedmate)? Did anyone talk to her on Thursday night, i.e. at the apartment and/or on the phone? Who spoke with her, what was the content of the conversation. Did the roommates see Hannah on Friday morning? Did anyone speak with Hannah on the phone on Friday morning? Who? What was the content/reason for the call, what was Hannah's demeanor?

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=5735316&page=1
>>was last seen Friday afternoon, Aug. 29, in her apartment by a friend<<

Wondering which friend said they saw Hannah at 2PM on Friday. Did that friend know Hannah's school/work schedule? Was the friend actually "in the apartment" with her? What was the context of the visit with Hannah? What was the relationship with the friend (girl/guy friend? intimate?) For how long did the friend see Hannah (when did they arrive/leave), did they speak with her or were they at the apartment for some other reason (what reason)? What was the conversation about, what was Hannah's attitude/demeanor at the time?

ALSO:
AT NYDailynews.com
>>Hannah Upp was last seen by a friend at about 2 p.m. last Friday as she was getting ready to leave her Hamilton Heights apartment for a school function at nearby Thurgood Marshall Academy.<<

At what level of preparation was Hannah to leave for that function at the time? Was she dressed and ready to go? What type of function was this, what time was the function, was that stated to/by the friend? By the school? How did she usually get to the school, walk, bike, car, bus, metro, ride with someone (with who?) How long had this friend known Hannah, how did they meet? Were the roommates also there at the time of this friend's visit? Did they know this friend was coming to see Hannah, had she mentioned this? Might they have expected the visit, i.e. was it common for her to see this friend on a workday, at the apartment?

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=5735316&page=1
>>According to Gallardo, Upp's other roommate, fellow teacher Manny Ramirez, searched her room and saw that her purse, wallet, cell phone, ATM card and subway card were all there.<<

The NYDailynews article said they found her keys (house, car?)

Did Manny teach at the same school as Hannah? Was he supposed to attend the same function that Hannah was? Did he go to it?

Did anyone see Hannah at the work/school function that she was supposed to attend? Was everyone that was supposed to attend that function at the function? Who was missing from it?

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=5735316&page=1
>>The disappearance of a young New York City school teacher just days before classes began has launched a massive search by her army of friends.<<

Also from the above noted NYDailynews article:
>>A 23-year-old schoolteacher disappeared from her Manhattan apartment days before classes started<<

Obviously school classes had not yet begun. So the function had to do with pre-class planning? Or what? Had Hannah expressed to anyone any concerns about this function?

From the above noted NYDailynews article:
>>she was getting ready to leave her Hamilton Heights apartment for a school function at nearby Thurgood Marshall Academy.<<

Hamilton Heights

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gi...7660472&ref=mf
She teaches middle school Spanish at Thurgood Marshall Academy for Learning and Social Change, at W. 135th and 7th Ave.

Just looking at Google for distance from Hamilton Heights to Thurgood Marshall Academy, this appears to only be a 1 or 2 mile distance, maybe not even that, depending upon where Hannah lived in Hamilton Heights.

Did Hannah walk to functions? There is a big park which appears to be between where she lived and the school.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gi...7660472&ref=mf
>>According to her roommates, Manny and Sam, she had been planning to go away for the weekend but intended to return on Saturday, perhaps Sunday at the latest. When they had neither seen nor heard from Hannah on Sunday afternoon, they began calling her but each time it went straight to voicemail.<<

Obviously Hannah spent time informing her roommates of her whereabouts. How often did she follow through on returning when she said she would?

Part II next

[Wrinkles]

Part II of thinking...

From the above noted NYDailynews article:
>>The Bryn Mawr, Pa., graduate last used her debit card that day to go to a movie alone in Times Square and told friends she was spending the weekend at her mother's home in Philadelphia.<<

Who said she was going to a movie alone? On Friday? A work day, a day that she was also to leave for her mom's for a weekend? Before she was to go to work? Before her friend saw her? Was her debit card her ATM card too? If so, that was left at the house supposedly (or did she have more than one)? Was the debit card used at the movie itself? Was this an advanced ticket purchase (was she going to go later after the school function)? Were their cameras at that movie house? What movie? Was she supposed to meet someone there? How often did she ever say that she went to a movie alone? Was this her custom to do? With whom did she usually go to movies? How did she travel.

I'm not sure where this whole movie thing plays into the time line.

Okay...she had told friends (which ones) that she was going to her mother's. How did she usually get to her mothers? Drive? Train? Did her mother expect her to visit, on what day was she to arrive? Approx. a 2 hour drive? Did she have a car? Her roommates noted these things "her purse, wallet, cell phone, ATM card and subway card were all there" -- car keys? If she had a car, where was it normally parked? No one saw it there or missing? or that it was there instead of gone on a trip was not suspicious? Was someone else going to drive her to Philadelphia? Train? Do tickets for that have to be purchased in advance? Were they?

Upon which day did Hannah say she would be leaving to go away for the weekend (the Friday)? Was anyone supposed to travel with Hannah when she left for the weekend? Did Hannah have a customary time that she would leave to go to her mom's? Did she have a customary bag she packed, was it packed in part or in whole?

If Hannah said that she would return "at the latest" by Sunday, was there any reason why her roommates would not be concerned on Saturday or Sunday afternoon? Again, were they at the apartment on those days?

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gi...7660472&ref=mf
>>They began calling those of us they recognized from her phone contacts, but no-one knew where she was - apparently people had been trying to get in touch with her since Thursday.<<

Was it customary for her to not call people back? People had been trying to get in touch with her since Thursday? Thursday at what time, and did she generally call those people back promptly? So where did Hannah sleep on Thursday night and who saw her that night?

Also NY Daily news article:
>>When she hadn't returned Monday, her roommates began to panic. Calls to her cell phone went straight to voice mail, and calls to her friends turned up only others concerned for her whereabouts.<<

But http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=5735316&page=1
>>"My roommate woke me up and we went down to the police station. They didn't seem too concerned about it at first, but at 4 a.m. that night there were already detectives in our apartment," Gallardo said. "There's been police in our apartment since."<<

So, on what day did the roommates get concerned? Sunday night, early Monday morning?

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gi...7660472&ref=mf
>>When she didn't show up for work on Tuesday (her first day of teaching), and it became apparent that she had not gone on Friday either, the police decided it was time to file a Missing Persons Report.<<

So...she didn't go to work on Friday? And someone saw her at 2PM on Friday? Was her only event for work that function or was she supposed to be there earlier and did not go? If she was late in getting to the event, how would she travel? Taxi? Any calls to Taxi companies for her address? Did they go and try to pick her up and she wasn't there?

How often did Hannah leave her house without a purse, wallet, cell phone and keys? Would she roam around the apartment complex without these? (to a laundry room or otherwise?) Did Hannah have any fears about anyone in the apartment house? Was this a secured complex?

Is there a video camera in the apartment complex, or one anywhere nearby? Might anyone have captured her walking away from the apartments on a neighboring video camera?

But why wasn't she returning phone calls on Thursday and did she have any dumpster diving planned for Thursday evenings or Friday mornings, any routine?

From the above noted NYDailynews article:
>>Upp graduated from the Pennsylvania Seven Sisters school in 2007 and moved to New York City, where she has been teaching at Thurgood Marshall, volunteering for AIDS organizations and working toward her master's degree in education at Pace University.<<

On which days did Hannah volunteer, where? And when did she attend classes at Pace? Did she have any books to pick up that day for school, or library work?

I would love to think that Hannah was just overwhelmed and fled with a rescuer for a few days, but this seems absolutely unlikely UNLESS she was major stressed and did the "crazy thing."

There is much to this story that is missing...

Wrinkles

[Bobbisangel]

This sure doesn't sound good. I wonder what happened to this gal? We have to many people who just disappear...vanish. I'm wondering if there was a male in her life or maybe an ex. Maybe even someone in her building that had his eye on her. It sounds like she left to go where ever she was going that day...the function at the school. Something must have happened after she left the apt. She probably doesn't have a car. Don't most people use other forms of transportation in New York City? Seems like there are monsters around every corner these days. I hope she didn't run into one.

[Wrinkles]

Found a few more articles, maybe with a few answers to some questions...

From the NYDaily News
Referring to August 29th...
>>Upp was last seen at her Hamilton Heights apartment, fresh from the shower as she got ready for a day at nearby Thurgood Marshall Academy.<<

Okay... So whichever friend saw her on Friday saw her "fresh from the shower," or so the article states she was fresh from the shower and another article said a "friend" saw her on the Friday.

The above article says she got ready for a "day" at the Academy, but supposedly she was seen at 2PM (although I think another article states 2:30PM). Starting the day at 2PM or 2:30PM doesn't sound like getting ready for a day, but for a function as mentioned in another article. Aside from that, we still don't know what the function was, nor when it was to begin, nor whether it was mandatory, but it was evidently to be at the Academy.

Again...how did she usually get to the Academy? But...she didn't take purse, keys, ATM, wallet...so unless it was customary for her to leave without those things...she didn't leave to go to the Academy, in my estimation.

From the above mentioned NYDNews article:
>>There were some signs, however, that the 2007 graduate of Pennsylvania's Bryn Mawr College was struggling in her new life.

One source said Upp - an NYC Teaching Fellow who was about to get her own classroom - skipped work the day before she disappeared.

Instead of excitedly prepping her classroom for a new academic year, Upp went to a movie by herself in Times Square on Aug. 28 and withdrew $40 from a nearby ATM, the source said.<<

SO, it is possible that Hannah was not content, perhaps a reason to say, "I'm splitting for a while to get my head together?" I'm not feeling that way, but...

She skipped work the day before... Was it mandatory for her to be in preparing her classroom? To be at work? Or was that a choice she could make? Perhaps her goal was to do some prep on Friday, before/after the function?

I believe that one article stated that the police checked on the use of her ATM (I have to look up that source, but if anyone finds it, maybe you can post it.) So "where" was the nearby ATM located?

So..were their pictures of her withdrawing the money, do we know that was her? did anyone see her at the show?

The NY Daily News had reported that she went to the movie "that day" (the 29th, "The Bryn Mawr, Pa., graduate last used her debit card that day to go to a movie alone in Times Square...") Evidently the movie was on the 28th. So which day did she actually go to the movie.

About the $40, cash she got... Would it have been customary for her to spend all $40 in one day? Was any money or an ATM slip found in her wallet?

From the NYDaily News
hmmmmmmm:
>>The principal of Thurgood Marshall declined to comment, and education sources said Upp was at school that day.<<

Wait a minute now, so WAS or WAS SHE NOT on school on the 28th? And why would the principal decline to comment? Did something happen on the 28th?

>>Upp recently posted an article about the problems of the New York City public schools on her blog,<<

Recently posted? How recently, how fresh was this discussion of problems in the schools? Does anyone know where Upp's blog is? Can anyone find that or ask one of her friends at the facebook page?

>>Cops said there is no evidence of foul play. They have checked every apartment in the building where she lives, as well as the roof, basement, backyard and area parks.<<

Okay...so no evidence of foul play...but that doesn't mean there wasn't any. The girl is missing and left behind the type of thing that most people do not leave. Now then, in how many missing person cases are people found to have just "run to getaway for a while" without taking what she did not take?

Steve? Do you have a clue on the above question?

New York Post
>>But by Monday evening, when they did not hear from her, they looked in her room. Inside were her keys, phone, and handbag containing her wallet with ATM card and identification.<<

So when did her friends get panicky? Was it Sunday evening and were the police at the apartment at 4AM on the Monday morn? Or was it Monday evening that her room was checked?

>> Although she had a few rocky moments during her first year of teaching, colleagues said she was looking forward to going back to the Marshall Academy.

Sandye Johnson, principal of the school on West 135th Street, said, "She didn't look troubled. She was happy. She had a glow on her face." <<

So maybe she was excited to go back to the teaching? Is Sandye a guy or a gal? Does anyone know what Hannah's relationship with Sandye was?

Where she lives:
Apparently she lives around *145th* at Hamilton Terrace, so I was a few blocks off earlier.

http://www.uft.org/news/10000_reward/
>>Ms. Upp, a native of Portland, Oregon, was last seen around 2:30 p.m. that day leaving her Hamilton Terrace apartment in Harlem.<<

Okay the above says 2:30PM.

Additionally, it says that she was seen "leaving" her apartment.

Seems like there are some facts that need to be squared away.

Wrinkles

[Wrinkles]

Here are Steve Huff's pages on Hannah:

Missing in New York City: Hannah Upp

More About Missing NYC Teacher Hannah Upp

[Wrinkles]

Hello All,

Is someone a member of Facebook? I do not want to register there.

Might someone go over there and invited Hannah's friends over here to answer questions?

Also, might someone ask those who put up that Facebook site if they know where Hannah's blog is located?

Wrinkles

[Wrinkles]

Hello Steve and Bobbisangel,

Steve, you wrote:
>>Sadly, after the research I did and after talking to Arielle, I am worried that it's just as appropriate to have a thread here, too.<<

I wish I didn't agree with you, but I believe that a thread does belong here in "Crimes in the News."

Bobbisangel, you wrote:
>>I'm wondering if there was a male in her life or maybe an ex. Maybe even someone in her building that had his eye on her.<<

Yes...good questions, I wish we had some answers from some of Hannah's friends or her roommates.

>>It sounds like she left to go where ever she was going that day...the function at the school. Something must have happened after she left the apt.<<

I'm not completely clear on whether the last time she was seen was "in the apartment" or "leaving." I'd like an answer to that from the actual witness.

>>She probably doesn't have a car. Don't most people use other forms of transportation in New York City?<<

That is another question I would like an answer to. Does she have a car. If not, how did she intend to get to the Academy, how did she intend to get to her moms.

People have answers, if we can get some of her friends from Facebook helping.

I'd also like to know if Hannah had "good dumpster diving days" -- those where she would head for a particular dumpster that had good finds AND if anyone else dove the same dumpster and knew what it was like on the best "find" day.

Wrinkles

[soyesterday]

Originally Posted by Bobbisangel

This sure doesn't sound good. I wonder what happened to this gal? We have to many people who just disappear...vanish. I'm wondering if there was a male in her life or maybe an ex. Maybe even someone in her building that had his eye on her. It sounds like she left to go where ever she was going that day...the function at the school. Something must have happened after she left the apt. She probably doesn't have a car. Don't most people use other forms of transportation in New York City? Seems like there are monsters around every corner these days. I hope she didn't run into one.

But if she atually left to go where she was going, then why didn't she have her keys, wallet, etc..?

[lorelei]

Originally Posted by soyesterday

But if she atually left to go where she was going, then why didn't she have her keys, wallet, etc..?

That is what concerns me the most. It doesn't sound like she just decided to get away for a few days or anything like that, and its very unusual to leave the apt. without keys especially in NYC. Her apt and building doors would lock as soon as they closed so even for a short trip to corner shop or to take out the trash you have to take your keys. If she disappeared while out and about, at the very least I think her keys would be missing.

IMO, she either left and wasn't planning on ever returning (which doesn't sound too likely) or something happened to her in/around her apartment building.

Wrinkles- you were wondering how she would get to work without a car.
It looks like she was a little less than a mile from Thurgood Marshall if she lived near Hamilton Terrace. Blocks in NYC are actually very close together (15-20 per mile) if you're traveling north south- on maps everything looks further than it really is. Most people would probably just walk that distance if the weather was decent.
There is also B/C train on St Nick with stops at 145th and 135th, you could take that, plus there's at least one bus on that stretch of St Nick probably more.
To get to Philadelphia- there are trains to/from Penn Station all day. I am just guessing on all of this but that is how most people get there.

[englishleigh]

I wonder if she was suicidal? Perhaps she was dreading teaching school again and maybe other things were going on with her that her friends were not aware of?

[MagnoliaMom]

did i miss something? why have they not pinged her phone?

[ucralum]

Originally Posted by MagnoliaMom

did i miss something? why have they not pinged her phone?

I believe her phone was found in her room; her roommates used it to find phone numbers of Hannah's friends to call (no personal knowledge--info from articles referenced earlier in the thread.) HTH!

[Wrinkles]

Hello Lorelei,

Thanks for the information on the travel. It helps to know which means most people would take. On the other hand, I don't know that she left that building to travel, not without keys UNLESS someone she was with had keys? I think she left that building a) flipped out (which people do not think is her personality) or b) forced or carried out. Of course, how well was the building actually searched?

EnglishLeigh, certainly some things could have been going on in her heart and mind that others didn't know, which could have caused her to do something crazy. There are some indications that she might have been troubled, but then again... She might have said, "No more, I don't need keys, wallet, purse, money...I'm heading for the local bridge," but ??

Evidently the building has been checked by police (the other apartments etc). Of course, we don't know how well, or how, and certainly it was a few days after she had gone missing. I wonder if they took dogs in, if anyone has.

How about films/videos of nearby buildings? Anything capturing traffic in and out of that apartment house's exits from Friday to when the police checked. If the building itself did not have video, are there exits from Hannah's building that another nearby building might have captured as she and/or someone walked away from there? Or as someone carried something away from there?

We are not getting answers to the many questions. So I am wondering who knew Hannah during those days, who was having relationship and communicating with her in the days and months before, who was the friend that saw her on that Friday. I certainly wish some of those people would pop in, and help us out. On the other hand, I wonder if the police have told them not to talk?

EDITED: IS THERE ANYONE IN THIS GROUP that could go to the friend's Facebook page and ask the friends of Hannah to come and help us with questions/answers?

ALSO: Who is good at finding people's blogs... Evidently Hannah had one and wrote about her discontent about NY schools, so can we learn anything at her blog? Maybe one of her friends can tell us where her blog is.

Wrinkles

[Columbo]

There's something very strange about the fact that she left without her keys, wallet, phone, etc. I've lived in NYC, and I wouldn't have left my apartment without keys, at the very least. There are locks the entry doors to most buildings and you'd be locked out if you stepped outside and the door closed.

[MagnoliaMom]

thank you ucralem!

here is an article on freegans with her picture. the 9 pm - 12 am part is a disturbing time to search for food http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...citys_bou.html

"Freegans say that between 9 p.m. and midnight, almost everything that can be found on the shelves of a supermarket can be found in a supermarket's trash and in Dumpsters - and in edible form."

[soyesterday]

Originally Posted by MagnoliaMom

thank you ucralem!

here is an article on freegans with her picture. the 9 pm - 12 am part is a disturbing time to search for food http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...citys_bou.html

"Freegans say that between 9 p.m. and midnight, almost everything that can be found on the shelves of a supermarket can be found in a supermarket's trash and in Dumpsters - and in edible form."

Ok i don't get this...
what's up w/ all the dumpster stuff?
did i miss something?

[Wrinkles]

Howdy Magnolia Mom and SoYesterday,

Good find on that freegan thing with Hannah's picture. I was trying to figure out if the sign in that photo could be read. Certainly the freegan buddies know where that picture was taken.

Found this too: Locations for diving in Manhattan
http://freegan.info/?page=Manhattan

SoYesterday, Hannah is a freegan, a person who does dumpster diving. We don't know if her disappearance has anything to do with it, probably not, but who knows.

Wrinkles

[MagnoliaMom]

here is her linkedin page. i wanted to view her profile but you have to be a member. anyone a member?
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/4/A2B/981