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Old 01-20-2009, 04:22 PM
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How did KC pay the ticket without a ZG ID??? (are you guys saying she had a fake ZG ID???)

Which address do you think she used when she got the ticket? -- Hopespring? Ricardo's??? How would she know when her appearance would be or when to pay the ticket?

Otherwise -- theory makes total and complete sense! Someone wrap it up and put a bow on it.
I live in Ohio and I once paid a ticket for my father. I don't know how it works in Florida but could it be possible KC posed as herself to pay the ZG ticket? Maybe explaining to them that she was there to pay a ticket for a friend?

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Old 01-20-2009, 04:23 PM
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...I hear you...the OC Clerk's office website indicates that you hafta produce a form of identification. Whether it works that way in practice or not is a different matter...I'm just workin' off the assumption that they follow what they've published.
The citation was for driving w/out valid license, not failure to produce one, so we should agree that the Offc. could not prove her ID at the scene.

On this ticket, it also does not reference a DL. AND the record on file is incorrect as suspected, this "ZG" did not have an atty. Um, how would anyone know if this was even a citizen?
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Old 01-20-2009, 04:23 PM
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The "C" is interesting. On the other hand, if you know any native Spanish speakers attempting to spell in English, they get confused a lot and might very well say "see" for "Z"--since the "Z" has an "s" sound in Spanish.
...and just for grins... IIRC...the WS that commented on this to me many, many moons ago noted that the "C-" is only on one of the copies...can't remember which...the original card, or the copy that was given to Yuri. Someone would need to check that out if you're interested. I don't put alot of faith in my memory of exactly how that went.
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Old 01-20-2009, 04:25 PM
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Now, if someone wants to drag out the signed statement Casey gave to LE 7/15....
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Old 01-20-2009, 04:25 PM
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The guest card at Sawgrass was filled out by the person at the desk...not the applicant, IIRC. It wouldn't do any good to compare that handwriting on it. However, we do have copies of Casey's signatures and her forgery of Amy's on the checks to compare.
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Old 01-20-2009, 04:26 PM
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Okay, I found this and I'm not sure if it's out there already so I thought I'd share.

I search the Orange County Comptroller Site: http://or.occompt.com/recorder/eagle...SearchPOST.jsp

and seached for Gonzalez Zenaida and I think I found the dispostion for her traffic violation. (not sure if this is it, however the date shown with the signature is 06/11).

http://or.occompt.com/recorder/eagle...nt=DOC235S3662

Is it me, or does this look like Casey's handwriting???

Here is a comparison of the handwriting. The one on the top is from the case disposition document for which you linked. The three following were taken from Casey's hand written statement dated 7/16. I looks like she's pretty consistent in using the cross mark on the letter "Z".

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...ok...I know its a tremendously looooong stretch. But, I posted earlier... see 6/9 thread in the Sticky Forum, where Casey's pings for 'bout a 3hr period in the wee hours of the morning 6/9 would support that she left her phone unattended @ G&C's. She resumes texting with Tony & Ricardo when she appears to 'get back'. This would fit w/ a break in @ UCF that was discovered by ZG that works there (diff than Sawgrass ZG) when she arrived @ work 6/9 morning. The objective of this break-in woulda been to get some form of ID she could use to take to the County Clerk's office 6/10. Maybe something that didn't have her picture on it, but, she could use in conjunction w/ a fake ID she had w/ the same name on it...

...yes....waaay out there...I know....
Has it been confirmed that you need to show id to pay a traffic ticket in Orange County? I paid one here in my FL County (Santa Rosa) a few months ago and didn't have to show id. Also, I never had to show my id when I paid traffic tickets when I lived in Dade County.

Before you ask, I really don't try to get traffic tickets...I just have a bad habit of driving fast
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Old 01-20-2009, 04:29 PM
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The guest card at Sawgrass was filled out by the person at the desk...not the applicant, IIRC. It wouldn't do any good to compare that handwriting.

It's not the Sawgrass card handwriting that needs to be compared. If we can find Casey's signature we can compare it to Zenaida's signature on the Traffic Violation.
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Old 01-20-2009, 04:32 PM
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How did KC pay the ticket without a ZG ID??? (are you guys saying she had a fake ZG ID???)
Which address do you think she used when she got the ticket? -- Hopespring? Ricardo's??? How would she know when her appearance would be or when to pay the ticket?

Otherwise -- theory makes total and complete sense! Someone wrap it up and put a bow on it

I live in Ohio and I once paid a ticket for my father. I don't know how it works in Florida but could it be possible KC posed as herself to pay the ZG ticket? Maybe explaining to them that she was there to pay a ticket for a friend?
IMHO, the clerk's office requires an ID (as stated on their website).

FWIW...the form is signed as "Zenaida G..."

FWIW...also noted that it says to pay at a diff location than what 7/15 pings support. I dunno what happens if you goto pay a diff location than indicated...but 7/15 was just a partial pay...so...dunno.

On 6/9 ~5PM Casey pings from near Sawgrass when she calls DRF (Annie's work). I'm curious if Casey was using Sawgrass address for mail...picking it up there. Will ask on the Sawgrass thread when moonlighting gets there if we know if mail is delivered directly to apt mailboxes by postal carrier...or to the office. If mailboxes are key-secured or not. Implications of the mail being delivered to a demo unit with secure mail access would mean an accomplice's help was needed.
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Old 01-20-2009, 04:33 PM
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It's not the Sawgrass card handwriting that needs to be compared. If we can find Casey's signature we can compare it to Zenaida's signature on the Traffic Violation.
Her signature is on the hot checks.
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Old 01-20-2009, 04:34 PM
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if KC was useing a ZG name and got a ticket.....how would she show proof a a DL with the right info to be able to pay the ticket? would it have been a real DL for a real ZG and who ever took the payment didnt notice KC not looking like the real ZG?

I have to say....this is all REALLY creepy!
http://*************.com/2009/01/16/...traffic-court/


One of the traffic citations says it's for Operating a Motor Vehicle without a Valid DL.

But does anyone have any idea how the copies of citations were obtained? I'm not questioning the integrity of anyone, but the source of information is important.

It's unusual the License reference is highlighted....
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Old 01-20-2009, 04:35 PM
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I live in Ohio and I once paid a ticket for my father. I don't know how it works in Florida but could it be possible KC posed as herself to pay the ZG ticket? Maybe explaining to them that she was there to pay a ticket for a friend?
I think this is a possibility. I know I have run into all kinds of scenarios where things may be policy, but they aren't enforced.
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Old 01-20-2009, 04:36 PM
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Old 01-20-2009, 04:37 PM
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It's not the Sawgrass card handwriting that needs to be compared. If we can find Casey's signature we can compare it to Zenaida's signature on the Traffic Violation.
See post #556 above...

I'm not sure we should publish the actual signatures here but they are nothing alike.
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Old 01-20-2009, 04:38 PM
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It's not the Sawgrass card handwriting that needs to be compared. If we can find Casey's signature we can compare it to Zenaida's signature on the Traffic Violation.
Casey's siggy is on her written statement to police, in the doc. I think Doc 1. It's in the stickies, and there is a table of content page someone was so fantastic to put up.
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Old 01-20-2009, 04:38 PM
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LOL. It's probably not her handwriting as someone else pointed out that the office probably filled that information in... but I still think that it looks like her handwriting, who knows, maybe she had yet another alias (Just Kidding!) LOL

It's still interesting to see the document with the time stamp, etc. Maybe it can be tied into this whole mess... Bond? JWG?
That looks like her handwriting to me. In the docs there is a copy of the check that she forged and it shows her handwriting, maybe you could match them up.
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Old 01-20-2009, 04:41 PM
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Stellar work Who_What_When!



Now, if someone wants to drag out the signed statement Casey gave to LE 7/15....

Attached is KC's signature (from OCSO interview), and three signatures of Sawgrass ZG (from OCSO interview)...
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That looks like her handwriting to me. In the docs there is a copy of the check that she forged and it shows her handwriting, maybe you could match them up.
I will look into it and let you know what I find.

I have to go for now... keep up the great work guys!
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Old 01-20-2009, 04:46 PM
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...I hear you...the OC Clerk's office website indicates that you hafta produce a form of identification. Whether it works that way in practice or not is a different matter...I'm just workin' off the assumption that they follow what they've published.
KC could've produced her own ID to pay the ticket for this ZG. When I paid my father's ticket I did have to show my ID (my personal DL).
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IMO, the traffic ticket ZG, and the Sawgrass ZG are two different people (different signatures).
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Old 01-20-2009, 04:49 PM
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Stellar work Who_What_When!



Now, if someone wants to drag out the signed statement Casey gave to LE 7/15....
Bond,

The timestamp on this doc was 6/27 at 2:19 p.m. The pings place Casey at Tony's at 2:11 and then over by Amy and Ricardo's by 3:03. Based on your analysis of the distance to the court clerk's office is this feasible?

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Attached is KC's signature (from OCSO interview), and three signatures of Sawgrass ZG (from OCSO interview)...
I can't access those files for some reason (I never can with attached files, only pasted-in images work) but based on the sample provided by VALee above, I don't think these match KC at all. I'm certainly no expert in handwriting analysis, though.

This disappoints me, as I'm quite keen on Blink's theory. Hopefully we can still wrap that one up nicely.
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Old 01-20-2009, 04:50 PM
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I've tried to read through this thread and see where it's been going for the last few pages. If I am saying something completely wrong please just pay me no attention.

Is the theory that KC is the one that went to the Apt's and under the name of ZFG?

I find it hard to believe that the man that filled out the card after speaking with KC in Spanish would not immediately know that she was not a native spanish speaker.

Here are the reasons why...1. When a native english speaker learns to speak spanish they usually retain enough of an accent from their English pronuciations that the native Spanish speaker can hear it clearly. It would be like listening to a native spanish speaker speak english after learning as an adult. There is usually a residual accent.

2. Even if KC learned to speak Spanish perfectly with no residual english accent she would have more than likely learned to speak, for lack of a better word, proper spanish. (like comparing the German language~ high german and low german~ high german being spoken in formal settings and low German being spoken informally~ tends to be the same with Spanish) She would have lacked a dialect. This would have been obvious to any native Spanish speaker that listened to her speak more than a couple of words.

My interpretation? This man that says he spoke with ZFG would have stated clearly to the LE that some white chick came in looking at apt's and spoke to him in Spanish instead of English.
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The theory that Casey was actively impersonating a ZG is plausible IMO.

http://*************.com/2009/01/16/...traffic-court/

Is it then possible Casey truly intended to account for Caylee's disappearance by telling her parents she had handed over permanent custody to Zanaida. That Casey had planned to tell her family she realized she was unable to be a good mother to Caylee, so this was best for Caylee? Zanaida (supposedly) took Caylee to such fun places throughout mid june-July, it appeared Casey may have setting up "it was to Caylee's best interests to be part of Zenaida's life permanently". Possibly Casey had planned to move far away as well, to avoid her family's concern. So if anyone cared to check, ZG was a real person with a vague paper trail, who then disappeared without a trace, taking Caylee.

In this scenario, Casey could truly account for WHY Caylee was not with her, as opposed to the "she went here, she went there with the nanny" stories. She could tell everyone that Caylee was not with her because she had agreed to a legal arrangement with Zanny.

(Could she pull this off to cover for Caylee's death, without an accomplice?)

Instead what actually happened is through her mothers panic, Casey was preempted (although she did beg her mother for one more day) when her mother called the police and all her diabolical plans were not fully in place. (Not to suggest Casey was good at planning) Casey was having too much fun with her newfound life to focus on many details, and her plan needed "time" to work. So at the point CA called 911, all Casey had to hang on to was there was a Zanny, and Zanny took her, simply because that was only as far as she'd got.??
You know, for the longest time, I thought that KC had given Caylee to someone in an open adoption agreement, mainly to spite her mother. I wonder if this thought also occurred to Cindy and this is why she had been so adamant about Caylee being alive. Knowing now how vicious KC really is, she may even have dropped a hint or 2 along those lines to her mother.
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I can't access those files for some reason (I never can with attached files, only pasted-in images work) but based on the sample provided by VALee above, I don't think these match KC at all. I'm certainly no expert in handwriting analysis, though.

This disappoints me, as I'm quite keen on Blink's theory. Hopefully we can still wrap that one up nicely.
Then I will hotlink them for you here...





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