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Old 09-11-2008, 02:11 PM
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I've spent the morning reading about the Villisca murders and am leaning towards believing that they are connected with the other ax murders that happened in the midwest around that same time frame. The MO seems very similar in each of them. That is of course a very premature and preliminary overview on my part. Very fascinating.

I bumped it in the Cold Case thread. The last post was in 2006.
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the cases i can't get out of my head are:

grateful doe (unidentified grateful dead fan)
sabrina allen
scott kleeschulte
brian shaffer

something in each these cases just strikes a chord with me, even though they are all very different circumstances.

what a great thread idea!
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Old 09-11-2008, 03:23 PM
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I want to add the Dyatlov Pass Incident. Nine experience hikers go for a long hike and camping excursion in the Urals in 1959. Something terrified them so badly that they cut their way out of their tents and went running half naked into -40 degree temps. They were all found dead. One group had attempted to make a fire instead of returning to their camp where all of their clothese were - they died of exposure. The second group was not found until months later. They had all sustained massive injuries - injuries that are reminescent of something you would see in a car accident. Blunt Force Trauna to the chest. Two victims were found in a position suggesting they had tried to crawl back to camp. One victim also had a skull fracture. One victim was missing her tongue. All of the hikers tested positive for high levels of radiation. Many believe a cover-up was then executed by the Russian authorities.
The cause of deaths was ruled: A compelling and unknown force.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_pass_accident
this one haunts me too.
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Any of the old cases, like before 1960, get to me. Ruth Baumgardner, the Foote/Wolf double murder in Parma, Ohio in 1921. And one from 1964, the murder of 16 year old Beverly Jarosz in Garfield Heights, a suburb of Cleveland. The last one could still be solved. All these cases can be found in the books of John Stark Bellamy.
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Great posts!
You guys reminded me of so many facinating ones that have slipped my mind.
It is sad and kind of overwhelming when you start looking at the sheer number of cases.
I too am looking forward to that time when all questions are answered.
Boy we have alot of questions....
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Great posts!
You guys reminded me of so many facinating ones that have slipped my mind.
It is sad and kind of overwhelming when you start looking at the sheer number of cases.
I too am looking forward to that time when all questions are answered.
Boy we have alot of questions....

I know. I have a list I started a few months ago of cases that caught my attention and I want to learn more about. That list has grown to more than two pages. It is never-ending. When I look at it I just feel overwhelmed and sad - they are more than just names on a piece of paper, they are people with families who had lives they were living, goals they were striving for, loves they were experiencing, hopes and aspirations for the future. It is so sad.
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For me, I would have to put the cases into one of two categories...Those that haunt, and those that fascinate. The latter would be those cases I view with more of an historic interest, such as the Kinross Incident, the crew of the Lady Be Good, Amelia Earhart, or cases such as the Villisca Murders mentioned earlier in this thread.
Those that haunt are the cases to which the answers seem just out of reach...Sharon Marshall, Ann Waters, Maura Murray, my present obsession Christine Wright, Janice Pockett, and Gail Joiner. The fact that the missing might still be out there, right now, alive...Or that the murderers of those killed still walk among us...That haunts me.
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Old 09-12-2008, 12:23 PM
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That Dyatlov Pass Incident stuff? That's some crazy stuff right there. I just finished reading the wiki article. Weird...I wonder what happened?
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Old 09-12-2008, 01:01 PM
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For me, I would have to put the cases into one of two categories...Those that haunt, and those that fascinate. The latter would be those cases I view with more of an historic interest, such as the Kinross Incident, the crew of the Lady Be Good, Amelia Earhart, or cases such as the Villisca Murders mentioned earlier in this thread.
Those that haunt are the cases to which the answers seem just out of reach...Sharon Marshall, Ann Waters, Maura Murray, my present obsession Christine Wright, Janice Pockett, and Gail Joiner. The fact that the missing might still be out there, right now, alive...Or that the murderers of those killed still walk among us...That haunts me.
Very good point!
I know I could easily categorize those that have captured my attention into those two categories.
Im grateful that the list of those that haunt me is much shorter then those that facinate me .
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Old 09-12-2008, 01:54 PM
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flyboy, do you know more about the Mike Adams case? I read the website; it was very intriguing. Does the family believe they know who murdered Mike, or do they believe he may still be alive?
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I do know some things about the case because I've talked to a couple of people who knew Michael directly through that website. A few months have gone by since I last talked to anyone, but a woman that I had chatted with was a co-worker of his. She shared with me that Michael had a problem with his boss at work that day over the color of his slacks. He went home to change to black slacks and dropped his wallet. She thought it was strange that of all days the day he went missing was the same day he "accidentally" dropped his wallet. Plus there were some rumors that Michael had a rough home life. But there's a corrections page on the website that now disputes that rumor.

That night he got home from work and a car pulled up behind him. In her email she said that Michael did a specific thing that eliminated 99.9% of the suspect. She said that Michael was leaning into the car talking to the driver. His sister looked out the window and said the car was dark and was an old style GM car. She thought they could narrow down who the driver was because it would have had to have been someone Michael knew since he was leaning INTO The car. And there would be a limited number of people that Michael knew who had a car that fit this description and that he would have felt comfortable enough to lean into. She thought maybe they were having a disagreement and Michael didn't want people to hear.

She said that Michael was just a nice kid who wasn't involved in anything illegal and wasn't in anyone's way. He had a bad relationship with his boss and some of the people who worked in that store with them were shady but that Michael usually stayed away from them.
Since he was a few weeks away from college she thought the story that he ran off was a long shot, but that they were going to check to see if he had actually signed up for classes and paid for a dorm room because the wallet incident was too coincidental.

Alot of it is in the video that's on the site too. But if you read some of the messages they're posting it seems to me that they determined that Michael didn't run off and that somebody took him and murdered him. A couple of the things they posted to whoever they're talking about have been a direct challenge or threat. At least that's how I'm reading it.

They did have information up there before about silos but they have that changed now to a lake in Abilene. I have always found this case interesting. I saw Michael a very long time ago on something once and I didn't know anyone had picked it back up again. I'm glad there are still people out there looking for him. But she mentioned that the police shut the door on the case a long time ago and she was trying to get them to look at it again.
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Old 09-12-2008, 02:49 PM
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Brian Shaffer, I really really really would like to know what happened to him
Lyle Stevik
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The solving of the case of the Maricopa Jane Doe really gave me hope.
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Old 09-12-2008, 05:15 PM
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[quote=flyboy;2671116]Mr. E,
I do know some things about the case because I've talked to a couple of people who knew Michael directly through that website. A few months have gone by since I last talked to anyone, but a woman that I had chatted with was a co-worker of his. She shared with me that Michael had a problem with his boss at work that day over the color of his slacks. He went home to change to black slacks and dropped his wallet. She thought it was strange that of all days the day he went missing was the same day he "accidentally" dropped his wallet. Plus there were some rumors that Michael had a rough home life. But there's a corrections page on the website that now disputes that rumor.
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Thanks flyboy for the information. I too saw the site and hope some answers emerge but I'm missing the implication of the wallet. Could you elaborate a little more on that? Why would his friend find it strange that he dropped his wallet? What does that mean?

The answer to this question is probably as obvious as the keyboard on my desk but I'm missing it.

I also suspect that even though he had a bad relationship with his boss and co-workers he probably thought he could stick it out for a few more weeks until school started.

So sad.
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Old 09-12-2008, 10:07 PM
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Somehow I forgot Princess Doe, the girl found in Blairstown NJ in 1982. She crosses my mind quite often.
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Deffinantly Tammy Lynn Leppert,The boy in the box,Lorne boulet,Louis Mackerley,Identified John Doe 1979 in Louisiana.JD 83 amarillo Texas.JD 87 toledo Ohio.One of the most disturbing to me was the girl scout murders.This really scared me and still bothers me after reading it.

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Tara Calico bothers me. We had moved to a small town in the same county. We went to Port St.Joe {Joeseph} to go to the beach. We stopped at the same conveinience store we always did. My mom went into the store and came out asking about a van we were parked right next to when we pulled in. My brother and I were 13 and 10 and did not even notice any of the cars next to us. A truck had pulled in the same space or the space beside where my mom was asking about. Turns out that was when the photos thought to be Tara and a young boy were found. My mom brought the picture the people had found out to the car and asked if we had seen them. I was so shocked at the duct tape and fear in their faces my mom did not show my younger brother. She went back in the store and I thought I remembered the van but I had not paid any attention. The police came and we went to the beach. My mother ws always upset about this. She felt she should have seen something. Guess I felt that too.
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Tara Calico bothers me. We had moved to a small town in the same county. We went to Port St.Joe {Joeseph} to go to the beach. We stopped at the same conveinience store we always did. My mom went into the store and came out asking about a van we were parked right next to when we pulled in. My brother and I were 13 and 10 and did not even notice any of the cars next to us. A truck had pulled in the same space or the space beside where my mom was asking about. Turns out that was when the photos thought to be Tara and a young boy were found. My mom brought the picture the people had found out to the car and asked if we had seen them. I was so shocked at the duct tape and fear in their faces my mom did not show my younger brother. She went back in the store and I thought I remembered the van but I had not paid any attention. The police came and we went to the beach. My mother ws always upset about this. She felt she should have seen something. Guess I felt that too.
Thats facinating.Tara Calico is another one of those cases.Those pictures...
I know how your Mom Felt.I was back and forth through St.Regis Montana several times during the Groene Children kidnapping and Missed Duncan and Shasta by hours at the Connoco in Kellogg Idaho.
You cant help but wonder if only...
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Sorry for posting twice on this thread...but there is another case I have been intrigued with for a long time. It has a thread on WS though it hasn't garnered much discussion. I became involved in this when I found the website of the two filmmakers who were making a documentary about this case. I began communicating with the filmmakers, and they turned out a wonderful documentary.

In Villisca, Iowa on June 10, 1912 there were eight people murdered with an axe while they slept. The victims were Josiah and Sara Moore and their four children, Herman, Katherine, Boyd and Paul and two visiting neighbor children, Lena and Ina Stillinger. The murder is unsolved to this day. But the story of the murders, their aftermath and how they ripped apart this very small town is fascinating. Here is the link to the WS thread and also the link to the documentary about the Villisca murders.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...light=Villisca

http://www.villiscamovie.com/

It's a fascinating case but particularly tragic because out of the eight victims, six were children. The film is very well done. I would highly recommend anyone interested in this case to check out the documentary.
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Any of the old cases, like before 1960, get to me. Ruth Baumgardner, the Foote/Wolf double murder in Parma, Ohio in 1921. .
I'm not familiar with the Foote/Wolfe case, could you share a bit?
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The case of Tara Calico is one that really gets to me. It's also the only case that has ever given me nightmares. The photographs believed to be her are haunting. I follow several other cases on here, but Tara's really intrigues me.
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The case of Tara Calico is one that really gets to me. It's also the only case that has ever given me nightmares. The photographs believed to be her are haunting. I follow several other cases on here, but Tara's really intrigues me.
Yeah,I know there is some debate but Im convinced thats her in that Van photo.
Its frustrating because obviously there is much more to the story of this tragedy then we'll probably ever know and because Id like shove a roll of Duck Tape down the Photographer's throat.
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The case of Tara Calico is one that really gets to me. It's also the only case that has ever given me nightmares. The photographs believed to be her are haunting. I follow several other cases on here, but Tara's really intrigues me.
Yeah,I know there is some debate but Im convinced thats her in that Van photo.
Its frustrating because obviously there is much more to the story of this tragedy then we'll probably ever know and because Id like shove a roll of Duck Tape down the Photographer's throat.
(Woops,my emotional involvement is showing)
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What a daunting question!!!

Cases that haunt me are mostly Does:

Lyle Stevik
Sharon Marshall
Rancine Jane Doe (that one PM-pic scares the living daylights out of me everytime)
'Jason Doe'
Buckskin Doe
Caledonia JD
Arroyo Grande JD
Tara Calico (Indeed those photos are just disturbing)

And those are just off the top of my head....
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Thanks flyboy for the information. I too saw the site and hope some answers emerge but I'm missing the implication of the wallet. Could you elaborate a little more on that? Why would his friend find it strange that he dropped his wallet? What does that mean?

The answer to this question is probably as obvious as the keyboard on my desk but I'm missing it.

I also suspect that even though he had a bad relationship with his boss and co-workers he probably thought he could stick it out for a few more weeks until school started.

So sad.
Hi OilPainter,

I wrote to the website again and asked about the wallet and some other things. I was just going to summarize but I thought it was an interesting read. I'm forwarding it along pretty much as it came.

"We thought the wallet was interesting at first because we figured, if Mike were trying to intentionally disappear, one of the things he would do would be to completely get rid of his identify. So it would be logical that he would leave his wallet, his car, his bank account, all of it behind.

Mike lived with a large, very religious family. He was the sole member of the family who both rejected, and was a bit embarrassed by, some of the religious rituals the others practiced. Mike was also part of a blended family, and was quite a bit different from his step-siblings. He was generally an outsider in his own family.

He was close to his father. He was the "golden boy" of the family, and so they were a little jealous of him because people really liked Mike, he was smart, and everything seemed to go really well for him. It sounds funny, but it really is a good analogy: Mike's story really is very much like Cinderella.

At work, Mike had a boss who not only jumped on him for every little thing at every turn, he took great pride in humiliating Mike in front of customers and other employees. Mike was smart, charismatic, witty, kind, attractive, and really good at anything he set out to do. That included academics, drumming in the marching band, his job, you name it. His boss was the polar opposite of Mike, and he was nearly twice Mike's age. Mike never raised his voice or lost his temper, and his boss resented Mike for everything that he was. Mike always handled it well until that last day.

He wasn't going to go back to work at all after the last humiliation his boss subjected him to. His dad advised him that he should go back to work for his last remaining two weeks, since he enjoyed his job and was good at it, and not let his boss unfairly run him out of it.

His dad has never forgiven himself for that. He thinks, had he not given Mike that advice and just let him quit like he wanted to, Mike would still be here. The unfortunate thing about that is it's actually good advice for a father to give his teenage son. But on this particular day, Mike went missing.

We thought that Mike had just enough and took off. That's why the wallet was significant. But then we were able to verify that Mike had reserved and paid for a dorm room at the University he was attending, and had bought the supplies he needed for his freshman year.

We also found out, after a lot of investigating, that it wouldn't have mattered if Mike had returned to the store that day or not. Mike tended to attract people into his orbit that could be very jealous and possessive of him. Mike, for all of his book smarts, didn't seem to recognize this as fast as he could have. The men that targeted Mike had a specific need for him, and so they chose him as their victim. For what they wanted of him, they would have gotten Mike whether he had returned to that store that day or not."

I plan on writing back because now my curiosity about Michael being "chosen" is peaked. Kline, I hope I haven't hijacked your thread. If you'd like me to move Michael to his own thread just let me know.

gaia227, thanks for posting the Dyatlov Pass Incident. I hadn't read about that one before. But I'm adding it to my list of cases now. I've been scouring the internet reading up on it ever since you posted about it. It's a fascinating read.
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Dolores Dellapenna.

This was a Philly girl who was grabbed right outside her home back in the late 70's. A neighbor even heard her scream. Poor Dolores was dismembered. Parts of her body were found in different places. Her head has never been found.

This is a heart wrenching case because Dolores's parents were obviously devastated. Local police and Detective's believed they knew that meth dealers killed Dolores and about 10 years ago they were going to announce a suspect who had been in prison for another crime. Alas, that didn't happen. I pray for Dolores all the time that she is in peace and I pray for her family.



Mark Hinbaugh.

Did I spell that correctly? The little boy missing for many years from Cape May County, New Jersey. For years we'd see this little boys adorable face from billboards on the way down the shore. It broke my heart everytime I saw a flier or poster. I pray wherever Mark is he is safe and at peace.
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There are several cases that have especially touched me.

* Sharon Marshall - I read A Beautiful Child last month and I've thought of her every day since.
* Betty McCullough - a 10 year old girl who could not hear or speak. Early one morning in 1941 she walked outside of her home in Silver Creek Falls, Oregon to get some water from the pump and disappeared. Tragically, Betty was terminally ill and only had a few more years to live. http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2054dfor.html
* Marjorie West - a 4 year old girl who disappeared in 1938 while picking wildflowers during a family picnic in the White Gravel area near Bradford, Pennsylvania. http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/799dfpa.html
* Sabrina Paige Aisenberg
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1867dffl.html
* Daniel Morecombe, a 12 year old boy who disappeared from my state, Queensland, Australia. http://www.mako.org.au/danielmorcombe1.html
* An unidentified teenage girl who died of a drug overdose in Tempe Arizona in 2002.
http://doenetwork.org/cases/501ufaz.html
* The unidentified young man wearing a Grateful Dead shirt who died in a traffic accident.
* The two unidentified young brothers, who were found murdered in Stanley Park, Vancouver, Canada in 1953. They were about 7 to 10 years old and had been murdered with an axe, possibly by their mother. Doe Network case numbers http://doenetwork.org/cases/68umbc.html
http://doenetwork.org/cases/69umbc.html
* The boy in the box
* An undentified man about 28 years old who was horribly murdered in 1977 and dumped in a septic tank in Tofield, Alberta, Canada. No one should have to go through eternity known only as 'Septic Tank Sam'. http://doenetwork.org/cases/1046umab.html
* The unidentified young teenagers whose skeletal remains were found in Mendocino County, California in 1979 (the year I was born). http://doenetwork.org/cases/111umca.html
http://doenetwork.org/cases/131ufca.html
* A newborn boy who was neglected to death and dumped in the trash in 1980 in Pennslyvania. http://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase946.html
http://doenetwork.org/cases/131ufca.html
* The unidentified little boy who was beaten and thrown in Massey Creek, Southern Fairfax County, Virginia in 1972. http://doenetwork.org/cases/461umva.html
* An unidentified young woman who was strangled and shot and then dismembered in 1972. She was pregnant with a full term baby girl. Her remains were found in Carbon County, Pennsylvania. http://doenetwork.org/cases/169ufpa.html
* An unidentified 2 or 3 day old baby boy who was placed in a plastic bag and thrown in a pond in Huntington Township, Adams County, Pennsylvania in 1981. http://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase992.html
* Princess Doe http://doenetwork.org/cases/36ufnj.html
* Little Delta Dawn http://doenetwork.org/cases/45ufms.html
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