Nancy Grace - 9/24/08 Wednesday 8:00 PM EST

[Brini]

Originally Posted by CitizenKim

Yes but I think a salient point in that is:

The researchers said they couldn’t prove that marijuana use itself increases the risk of psychosis, a category of several disorders with schizophrenia being the most commonly known. There could be something else about marijuana users, “like their tendency to use other drugs or certain personality traits, that could be causing the psychoses,” Zammit said.

It could be that they sought out pot (among other things) to help them cope w/whatever was challenging them mentally. Who knows?

If it was true, an AWFUL lot of baby boomers would be in the Happy Home.

I think the study was flawed.

[Brini]

Originally Posted by trac

Well if you guys remember, this happened to Jesse, Ric, and a few other guys - she would say she loved them after 3 weeks of a relationship - she seemed to latch on fast and strong - she was very harpy with Tony, from his interviews she wedged herself in the group and started calling him her boyfriend early and he liked her but not like that.

Very low self esteem to do that - she seemed to need a guy to feel like she was important

..and it didn't matter is he was jobless, inarticulate, unintelligent, or what.

[Brini]

Originally Posted by karenmamo

.......actually......she started lying way back in June (to CA)
been doin' it about three months now.

Or, as Ryan would say, "from age five or six."

[TakeNote]

has anyone came across a date for when ca researched the chloroform? before the baby went missing or after like the 27th.....or 30th?

[MiraclesHappen]

Originally Posted by Brini

..and it didn't matter is he was jobless, inarticulate, unintelligent, or what.

I think she also needed a guy to have a "complete" identity...in her own mind.


She's the type to answer the question: Who are you?

"I am Tony's girl."

[Brini]

Originally Posted by Leila

My cable went out the last 15 minutes of NG............no television, no Internet. Did I miss anything important???

Nope.

[Brini]

Originally Posted by nachomama

Here's why the squirrel was soooooo easy to catch.....

The squirrel was easy to catch because KC and Tony shared a blunt with him.

[MiraclesHappen]

Originally Posted by Brini

The squirrel was easy to catch because KC and Tony shared a blunt with him.

OMG

[Brini]

Originally Posted by tekilla

As much as I love my Daughter, if she was to hurt one of my grandchildren I would be all over her. As a matter of fact when she was neglecting my Grandson I was the one who called cps on her. I had custody for of my Grandson for 2 years while she straighted her ***** up. And she knows I would do it again if I had to. She regained custody years ago and my Grandson is now 11 years old. She knows better than to mess up again.

I don't understand why Cindy knowing Casey was a bad Mother never done anything to make Casey straighten up or take custody of that baby.

Or, why CA didn't sue for custody, herself. KC was jobless, stealing all the time, and sleeping three in a bed with her baby and a guy whom she'd known for a month.

[Patty G]

Originally Posted by TakeNote

has anyone came across a date for when ca researched the chloroform? before the baby went missing or after like the 27th.....or 30th?

I have not seen a date released by LE as of yet!

[Brini]

Originally Posted by sweetmop

Agreed! Agreed! Agreed!
Cindy and George know the truth. Why don't they tell Casey, "We know what happened to Caylee!"???

Plausible deniability. They MAY have told her they know, but I don't think they want to hear the details.

[Brini]

Originally Posted by Jolynna

Baez can show the jury the movie "reefer madness", then he can crack an egg over a frying pan.

"This is Casey's brain on marijuana."

There is a reason "mean drunk" is common expression and people don't say "mean pothead".

IMO

And, show the jury a blown eggshell and say, "This is KC's brain, straight!"

[Patty G]

PLEASE Stay On Topic Of The Show ... no side bars of the past!

[MD MOMMY]

Originally Posted by Brini

"Buena" is Spanish, not Italian. I think Italian is "buona." But, the tat said, "bella."

bella vida- Spanish meaning beautiful life

bella vita- Italian meaning beautiful life

[MiraclesHappen]

Originally Posted by MD MOMMY

bella vida- Spanish meaning beautiful life

bella vita- Italian meaning beautiful life

Either way, NO MATTER what the tatoo says, I cannot image it is a remembrance for Caylee.

That would require compassion or adoration, remorse, sadness or missing the baby.
Casey is an emotional void and it's doubtful she experiences whatever would cause her to get the tatoo in honor of anyone except herself!!!

jmo

[Leila]

Originally Posted by Patty G

NG spoke about the four missing children.

Thanks Patty! Would you believe...........I had cable for all of about 10 minutes, and then it went out again.

We've had a cable crew in our neighborhood the last few days laying new cable, and so far they've managed to cut through our power cable and leave us with no electricity for several hours, and we've had three cable outages.

[Brini]

Originally Posted by MD MOMMY

bella vida- Spanish meaning beautiful life

bella vita- Italian meaning beautiful life

Thanks!

I studied French and Irish-- both were bad on their best day.

[kiki the parrot]

Computer searches and their dates have not been made public but when they are I believe NG will be proven wrong. I believe we will see chloroform searches *POST DATE* CAYLEE'S disappearance--and in fact FIT quite neatly with an accidental pool drowning scenario--since we now have EVERY reason to suspect chloroform may have actually been used to destroy the ODOR or DNA--AFTER Caylee's decaying body had been inside trunk. Even THEN, the nagging question still remains BY WHOM (I've got ANOTHER theory for NG). She's FAR too eager to pronounce this tragedy a coldblooded premeditated murder when even Casey herself when pressed by Lee ADMITS and alludes to the fact her mother is right afterall-she IS an "UNFIT" mother. There is NOTHING Casey did in the aftermath of this horrible tragedy that is appropriate or reasonable or how a RESPONSIBLE CARING PERSON would act! But the "rain falls on the just and the INJUST" (including narcissists, fools, liars and thieves) and NEGLIGENCE, POOR PARENTING, FOOLISHNESS AND SELFISH PRIORITIES do in some instances CAUSE DEATH. One more silent toddler drowning--concealed after no one was answering her panicked calls because she couldn't face her mother or bear responsibiity for what she allowed to happen--for being the incompetent mother her mom always told her she was. 71 years worth of fraud, stolen and forged check charges YES Felony child endangerment YES!!! Lying to investigators!!! YES Obstruction of justice!!! YES Criminal negligence YES!!! Abuse of a corpse YES!!!! Premeditated murder I DON'T THINK SO IMO

[Betty Boop]

Originally Posted by MiraclesHappen

Either way, NO MATTER what the tatoo says, I cannot image it is a remembrance for Caylee.

That would require compassion or adoration, remorse, sadness or missing the baby.
Casey is an emotional void and it's doubtful she experiences whatever would cause her to get the tatoo in honor of anyone except herself!!!

jmo

I don't think a memorial tattoo would necessarily signify compassion, adoration, etc. For Casey, it could be more of a lasting statement that Caylee belonged to her, not CA. An ownership thing, a secret only Casey knows. I think it is a memorial tattoo, but still all about Casey. JMO.

[kiki the parrot]

BTW Wish Greta would resume her more objective coverage, guess I really just want to get to the bottom of it and this gnashing of teeth gets tiresome...

[katsclown]

Originally Posted by suddenlyobsessed

Sorry O/T Just thought of this guys, I had to get an abortion from our local PP Clinic and they wanted almost 500 dollars without medical coverage and that was a sliding scale with a zero income. Perhaps Casey never got that abortion but instead used the claim to get money out of Patrick and god knows who else?

And then she lies when she is actually pregnant? Claims it's "female trouble?"

Maybe she ABSOLUTELY can't tell the truth !

[Melly53]

Originally Posted by Betty Boop

I don't think a memorial tattoo would necessarily signify compassion, adoration, etc. For Casey, it could be more of a lasting statement that Caylee belonged to her, not CA. An ownership thing, a secret only Casey knows. I think it is a memorial tattoo, but still all about Casey. JMO.

I agree especially since one of the photos of Caylee that was released in the first set of documents was accessed approximately two hours before she got the tatoo.

[suddenlyobsessed]

Originally Posted by Patty G

PLEASE Stay On Topic Of The Show ... no side bars of the past!

Thanks moderator! What would we do without you?

[cyberborg]

Originally Posted by kiki the parrot

Computer searches and their dates have not been made public but when they are I believe NG will be proven wrong. I believe we will see chloroform searches *POST DATE* CAYLEE'S disappearance--and in fact FIT quite neatly with an accidental pool drowning scenario--since we now have EVERY reason to suspect chloroform may have actually been used to destroy the ODOR or DNA--AFTER Caylee's decaying body had been inside trunk. Even THEN, the nagging question still remains BY WHOM (I've got ANOTHER theory for NG). She's FAR too eager to pronounce this tragedy a coldblooded premeditated murder when even Casey herself when pressed by Lee ADMITS and alludes to the fact her mother is right afterall-she IS an "UNFIT" mother. There is NOTHING Casey did in the aftermath of this horrible tragedy that is appropriate or reasonable or how a RESPONSIBLE CARING PERSON would act! But the "rain falls on the just and the INJUST" (including narcissists, fools, liars and thieves) and NEGLIGENCE, POOR PARENTING, FOOLISHNESS AND SELFISH PRIORITIES do in some instances CAUSE DEATH. One more silent toddler drowning--concealed after no one was answering her panicked calls because she couldn't face her mother or bear responsibiity for what she allowed to happen--for being the incompetent mother her mom always told her she was. 71 years worth of fraud, stolen and forged check charges YES Felony child endangerment YES!!! Lying to investigators!!! YES Obstruction of justice!!! YES Criminal negligence YES!!! Abuse of a corpse YES!!!! Premeditated murder I DON'T THINK SO IMO

If true, I wonder if JB the DA is doing the right thing? What's his motive? To do right for KC or for himself? He is playing a dangerous game of poker and if it was an accident or can be portrayed as an accident then a plea deal is the order of the day. Quit the testosterone games with the LE and do the right thing for Caylee, to get her laid to rest, in peace and, close this.

JB seems to be enjoying the high profile case and is gambling everything, if charges are filed on a duel of experts in a trial to scrutinize the forensics and confuse the jury, as they did with OJ. Maybe he can get KC off with a short sentence for fraud / theft but he is playing with fire as the circumstantial evidence mounts and the jury sees a KC it is hard to feel any emotion for - a monster.

I hope he is representing his client and not playing poker for the excitement, the notoriety and, the fame. If I was him I'd take the accidental death route and plea that KC became unhinged and cracked -- the defense is there for that based on LA statement and relations with CA. Some sympathy can be won from the jury.

Else it is high stakes and he may/will lose yet another high profile case -- for his ego.

[kiki the parrot]

I could not agree MORE!! If JB was truly looking out for Casey's best interests; if her FAMILY was truly looking out for her (and everyone's) best interests, they would ALL have PLEADED with her to take the limited immunity deal--and stop digging herself in deeper and deeper. It's sad that her family THINKS they are "protecting" her and yet really they're continuing to enable and perpetuate her deceit--and its consequences. Won't surprise me if before all's said and done at least one family member winds up w obstruction charges--and JB SHOULD be charged w malpractice or misrepresenting his client's best interests (or whatever it's called!) Even LE doesn't seem to have exactly done their job properly--how about leaving that REEKING car and it's PUTRID contents (not to mention her laptop too possibly) in the family's possession for DAYS before recovering? OMG WHAT LE DOES THIS