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Old 12-23-2008, 08:47 PM
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Back in the "early days" of Caylee missing, I wrote the family. It was because I read in the investigative report that in early January 08 she was taken to the hospital with a seizure. Nothing more was ever said about it. My question, rather comments...was for the family to have a full MRI done on Casey. There is a slight possibility...albeit, extreme, but possible if she has a brain tumor affecting her "right from wrong" part of her brain...which would be the ventromedial prefrontal cortex...that could explain her actions.

I had a patient years ago that came to the ER handcuffed to the railings of the hospital bed with two guards. This young man (34) was aprox 6"7" and literally about 300 lbs of pure muscle. A football physique. He was dying of a massive brain tumor. However, it should be known that prior to his prison sentence this man was a completely normal human being. NEVER in trouble, a working family man and father/husband. His wife expressed he started having some depressive episodes and seemed to get quite agitated for no reason and this was unlike him. It was not until he brutally raped a young woman and was arrested that they discovered the tumor, after trials and after incarceration. So, in essence, if we are looking at possible scenario's that could cause Casey to do what she did...that could be one of them.

Again, it was never stated as to why she had that seizure nor what tests may have been done in the hospital. It was a friend that took her. It could have been from drinking, drugs and or not eating, etc. And not anything as serious as a brain tumor. But it is a thought that should be ruled out. For the family's sakes.
Qustions, did she steal and lie long BEFORE the seizure? Did the hospital do an MRI?

But, she's STILL stuck with the legal definition of insanity.
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Very true. Fifteen years ago I had a nervous breakdown as the result of a lot of tough things which were going on in my life at the time. The drugs I was given caused me to become briefly psychotic. I checked myself into the hospital for a few days, because I had young children and felt it wasn't safe for me to be around them. I know what it feels like to be psychotic and it isn't fun. I didn't feel like going out partying with my friends. You couldn't get a smile on my face if you paid me a million dollars. It is one of the most terrifying things I have ever gone through and it makes me a little upset when people refer to KC as psychotic. She is not psychotic.

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Frank psychotics are easy to spot, if you've been around them. OLG can confirm that-- she's BEEN one.

Evil is VERY hard to spot. Bundy, Bianchi, Peterson.... Some sociopaths-- the smart ones-- look and act better than normal people. I have one now that is a tearing, blonde beauty. Could model for one of Boticelli's angel paintings.

But, you're right.. if you haven't been around severe mental illness AND evil, it's easy to confuse the two.
Not once you have seen it before though, IMO. Evil has a look, might as well be an odor as far as I am concerned!
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Old 12-23-2008, 08:50 PM
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OneLostGrl I truly thank you from the bottom of my heart for your post, and also for so very openly sharing with us all. It is wonderful to know that I am not alone sometimes. I have long had much difficulty due to the stigma attached to this very subject with sharing my own diagnosis's and experiences. It is others like you that truly help people like me to know that we are not outcasts of society!

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If you knew how many, many millions of productiv people are on psychotropics, you would never feel alone, again.

I think they day is not to far off when mental illness will be seen the same as physical illness.
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Old 12-23-2008, 08:51 PM
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If KC had a brain tumor she would display other physical symptoms of it
I would think & the seizures would become more frequent and severe

Often we want a cause, a reason for someone to behave so callously towards others . In describing Malignant Narcissism its difficult to
get across how lack of empathy grandiosity and no moral compass
allows them to do horrible things to the people close to them. The leap
from thought to deed isnt far which is what makes them dangerous
Casey has no normal feelings towards the people around her . They
are divided into two groups useful or not useful .
Caylee was a threat . She was talking more and more
she was going to expose KC. She was also keeping her from spending time with TonE , intolerable to a narcissist . In her mind all she did was neutralize the threat , remove the obstacle. Once done she never thought about it again . By the time she was in blockbuster
wrapped around TonE, Caylee was already a faint distant memory .
Narcissists need enablers and because they need them they hate them
Narcissist used to be called meglamania - its distressing to the narcissist who believes they are unique and special to need such ordinary
pathetic creatures. They are consumed with fanasty greed and jealousy. They want it all - all the attention , all the resources . KC believed she was entitled to be catered to , to be taken care of . There are two excellent sites that explain Narcissism in laymans terms
one is " narcissists suck" and the other is "what makes narcissist tick"
you can find both through google searches .
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Old 12-23-2008, 08:54 PM
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If you knew how many, many millions of productiv people are on psychotropics, you would never feel alone, again.

I think they day is not to far off when mental illness will be seen the same as physical illness.
As it very well should be. I have been diagnosed with MS. I say it is no more my sister's fault that she is diagnosed Bi-polar 1 then its my fault to be diagnosed with MS.
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OneLostGrl I truly thank you from the bottom of my heart for your post, and also for so very openly sharing with us all. It is wonderful to know that I am not alone sometimes. I have long had much difficulty due to the stigma attached to this very subject with sharing my own diagnosis's and experiences. It is others like you that truly help people like me to know that we are not outcasts of society!

Have a very Merry Christmas!
That's why I talk- It's why I do not shut up! It's why I get upset when Casey and Bipolar or Psychosis are used in a sentence! I do not want one more person to suffer needlessly because of lack of knowledge or the stigma of mental illness! I lived my entire life messed up- even as a child all I ever wanted to do was die and sadly even then I thought it was my fault, that I was a bad person, that it was a flaw in me. I am 36 years old and I have only been "normaL" for the last 6 of those years. But that does not have to happen to other people!

Mental illness is not your fault, you do not deserve it and it is not a flaw in your character- There is hope and I am a wonderful bad example

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Can someone direct me to a link to the first deposition from GA and CA??? I can't find them anywhere online now.....Just thought it would be interesting to go way back to those first statements they made in a courtroom when everything was still kinda new.....just to remember what all they said back then.....I wasn't sure where to post this question....hope this thread is ok...
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Thank you for sharing here, tiredofthis. Now I see why I always love your thoughts and posts, as I had a similar experience a few years back as well. After 2 unexpected deaths in my immediate family within 16 days of each other, and going through a nasty divorce! On top of that I am a nurse, with a stressful position, and the pain of ending up sick and broken in the very hospital that I work in compounded my illness! I was completely terrified and wanted to ball up in a corner and just wither away! I couldn't even walk myself to the bathroom, much less go out and party like like a rock star! I too know what psychosis feels like, and Casey has never ever been psychotic!

I won't even get into the spiritual side of this case. However, I'll only say that I firmly believe that some are plain old evil. And only Divine Intervention can change the workings of evil. As long as Casey surrounds herself with so many like minded peopleas herself, chances for Divine Change are nill.
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Can someone direct me to a link to the first deposition from GA and CA??? I can't find them anywhere online now.....Just thought it would be interesting to go way back to those first statements they made in a courtroom when everything was still kinda new.....just to remember what all they said back then.....I wasn't sure where to post this question....hope this thread is ok...
oh gosh, I think I'd start in the sticky's thread. I wish I could be of more help but I suck at that kind of stuff! I'm sorry! Try asking in the "questions for other websleuthers" those people are darn good at knowing that stuff! I wish my brain worked half as good!
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WS friends, I found the most interesting link today, which I think may be quite insightful in demonstrating bonafide psychosis: Dr. Juliann Mitchell, Ph.D.'s, Profile of a Sociopath, written about Casey Anthony. Forget the profile piece, though -- check out the comments, particularly the comments by a poster calling herself "Marcia Neil." Now, there are quite a few comments to wade through, so bear with it. It's very interesting, IMO. As a professional who works in the mental health field, "Marcia Neil"'s comments are extremely consistent with psychosis. Note, this is different than delusional, as delusions are a fixed belief (which, okay, sometimes are nonsensical -- like, sometimes a person genuinely believes the moon is made of green cheese, etc). It's very nebulous, making the distinction between delusions and psychosis sometimes, so I'll just leave it at in my experience persons suffering from psychosis, who overtly demonstrate their symptoms, often show more disorganized and nonsensical thought patterns and beliefs (although they may make sense to the individual in their own mind). Persons with fixed delusions often present very believable ideas. The main difference is that psychosis can respond to medication; delusions do not.

I thought Dr. Juliann Mitchell handled the poster's comments with extreme kindness, for what it's worth.

I'm sure this profile has been posted in the media threads at some point, but I actually found it by accident, when I was reading an article on former Cook County Illinois judge Thomas J. Maloney. Go figure!

Ol' Marcia does seem a tad "off", no doubt. We used to have a poster here on this very thread who I believe was psychotic- I am not saying that in any offensive manner, I am saying it because if people read the posts from this person I think they may see it as well. In this situation when the poster was spoken to when people resonded, it fuled the delusion and future responses would be even more out there. But when ignored he simply moved on.

It was very sad to see how others treated this poster even after pm's sent letting others know that this poster may not be trying to be difficult but may be psychotic and have no control over it.
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Not sure if this has been posted but whilst looking something else up came across this !

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/n...confess_8.html



WELL !!! How interesting is THAT!

Caylee was wrapped in plastic and under water !!

Caylee was withing 10 miles from home

If these places know these things and they suspect the Mothers why don't they LOOK THERE FIRST ???
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Ol' Marcia does seem a tad "off", no doubt. We used to have a poster here on this very thread who I believe was psychotic- I am not saying that in any offensive manner, I am saying it because if people read the posts from this person I think they may see it as well. In this situation when the poster was spoken to when people resonded, it fuled the delusion and future responses would be even more out there. But when ignored he simply moved on.

It was very sad to see how others treated this poster even after pm's sent letting others know that this poster may not be trying to be difficult but may be psychotic and have no control over it.
I forgot about the poster here! Once you see this you can spot it, and in person you can feel the difference. KC is cold and calculating and her actions are all about what is self serving. It gets confused because she is not the sharpest tool in the shed but she is not delusional, no.
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Yep! The atypical antipsychotic Abilify is being promoted for repractory depression. All of my Axis IIs are also getting it. They get less of a does than the standard for psychotics. It breaks up the ruminations.
Call me crazy () but I really think they are our future in mental health treatment, Anti-psychotics. Once they can get all the little "bugs" out of 'em of course- they have way too many side effects for too many people other than your mood/brain disordered, to be willing to take them for very long. But I can see them working for so many different illnesses and IMO other than Seroquel none of the atypicals even really make ya tired. OCD, phobia's, Tourette syndrome.. it would be heaven- no more Orap or Haldol. Uggh! Do they already use them in OCD or Tourettes? They should!

LOL Listen to me- what am I, Manic?! WTF, Laura! LMAO!

(I re-read what I wrote to you and started laughing out loud (for real) at myself and went to get rid of it rather than posting it but then figured maybe you'd like the laugh as much as I just did!)
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As it very well should be. I have been diagnosed with MS. I say it is no more my sister's fault that she is diagnosed Bi-polar 1 then its my fault to be diagnosed with MS.
I am so sorry for both your and your sisters health issues, neither are easy!
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Bolding mine.

I don't believe anyone wants to get Casey out of this. I further believe most of us here believe she is guilty, although possibly not the only guilty party.

That said, I DO believe Casey was a victim of her upbringing. Sorry, but I really do. I can understand why she may have harbored anger/rage; its just a shame she took it out on Caylee.

I also believe she did know right from wrong, EXCEPT, maybe not in that exact instant when the deed was done, IF she did the deed, and there wasn't another whole scenerio which I believe is also possible. IF Casey killed Caylee in a fit of rage, I believe its possible she went temporarily insane. No, I don't want her walking the street again, but I can honest to God understand what may have happened when and IF she killed her child.

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I believe her upbringing "enabled her further" with her actions, as opposed to blaming it on her upbringing. There are too many mulitple children families in which all the children are abused and perhaps only one goes on to be a problem in society. Thus, it is complicated to blame upbringing when the remaining children are good citizens of society. I hope that makes sense. When each one of us have our own brains and know right from wrong, we are responsible for our own actions.

Our backgrounds and history and trauma's that we've experienced really shouldn't play a factor in the "Act of Murder/ or Crime"...it can play a factor in how one perceives others, etc. (example: a neglected child may possess feelings of insecurity, depression, withdrawl, etc....and sometimes all of their lives. However, that same child knows right from wrong...so if they murdered another human...how can one blame that on their upbringing?)

There are many folks who suffer tragedies, mental illness, personality disorders, post traumatic stress, hardships and pain....and they do not go on to commit an act of murder....and in a lot of cases...never an act of any crime. Hope this makes sense.
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Blackwatch,

I don't buy the "Temporary insanity" defense either. Point being..if she did have a breakdown and killed Caylee even if by accident in a fit of rage...or an overdose of chloroform. Once the body "comes back down to normal"....it would have been reported. One who had temporary insanity would not have carried on for 31 days of partying, laughing, etc. A good example of temporary insanity is Andrea Yates.
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Very true. Fifteen years ago I had a nervous breakdown as the result of a lot of tough things which were going on in my life at the time. The drugs I was given caused me to become briefly psychotic. I checked myself into the hospital for a few days, because I had young children and felt it wasn't safe for me to be around them. I know what it feels like to be psychotic and it isn't fun. I didn't feel like going out partying with my friends. You couldn't get a smile on my face if you paid me a million dollars. It is one of the most terrifying things I have ever gone through and it makes me a little upset when people refer to KC as psychotic. She is not psychotic.

Sorry about the life story.
Excellent post and very accurate. Not everyone who has mental illness or disorders commits crimes of murder...or crimes, in general. I'm sorry to learn you have suffered with psychosis and I have always believed it is much more common than people want to share. Especially with my firm belief in post partum psychosis. Hormones amuck can play a big role in this and it can happen to anyone. Thanks for sharing.
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If KC had a brain tumor she would display other physical symptoms of it
I would think & the seizures would become more frequent and severe
Possible, but not always. Sometimes the seizures are very infrequent. We don't know for sure if she has had more and didn't tell anyone, or didn't know herself if she had more. As for physical symptoms...we also don't know if she suffered from headaches more frequently, etc. I'm not saying that she has a brain tumor, I am however saying it should be ruled out.
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Can someone direct me to a link to the first deposition from GA and CA??? I can't find them anywhere online now.....Just thought it would be interesting to go way back to those first statements they made in a courtroom when everything was still kinda new.....just to remember what all they said back then.....I wasn't sure where to post this question....hope this thread is ok...
It depends on what you are using in your google search. Try using the words "George Anthony investigation" as opposed to the deposition. A lot will come up. Same with Cindy, etc. You'll also find a lot of the actual video's on Youtube and TruTv. If your seeking the actual documents, try here:
http://www.docstoc.com/search/George-Anthony/.

This link, while long, has a all of the documents on the left side in a boxed column:

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:...lnk&cd=1&gl=us

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Excellent post and very accurate. Not everyone who has mental illness or disorders commits crimes of murder...or crimes, in general. I'm sorry to learn you have suffered with psychosis and I have always believed it is much more common than people want to share. Especially with my firm belief in post partum psychosis. Hormones amuck can play a big role in this and it can happen to anyone. Thanks for sharing.
It has been bugging me...so I'm going to put it 'out there' for discussion. KC has an 'episode' at a party where she gets exceptionally upset when she sees BSnow. Supposedly, she had recently had a miscarriage of his child...according to her (as reported by AmyH I think). I wondered if maybe she did have a miscarriage and was suffering from PPD. I'm not defending her in the slightest degree. I just think the defense might latch onto it, and I thought we should look back and see what the timeframe was.

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It was at the 'No Clothes Party' on 5/25/08 that she had the 'episode'. AH doesn't say when KC said she actually had the miscarriage. Since she got so upset, I just thought it may have been recent. I think I read other stuff about it elsewhere too. I'll keep looking. She was probably lying through her teeth and faking the episode for attention. <--most likely scenario.
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Interview with Pat Brown, criminal profiler, about Casey's psychopathy right now on Today Show. VERY interesting. People in other time zones should be able to see this in the next hour or so. msnbc.com puts up links to these interviews within an hour or so.

Excellent interview! Interesting insight into Casey's mind.

I'll come back and post the link as soon as it's up, or if somebody else catches the link, please post.
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Interview with Pat Brown, criminal profiler, about Casey's psychopathy right now on Today Show. VERY interesting. People in other time zones should be able to see this in the next hour or so. msnbc.com puts up links to these interviews within an hour or so.

Excellent interview! Interesting insight into Casey's mind.

I'll come back and post the link as soon as it's up, or if somebody else catches the link, please post.

Thanks. I will look for it
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Since this thread is about the family, my gut reaction to Cindy is "that woman is evil."

i think casey grew up in an environment where evil was always around. science says a kind act makes even strangers who merely witness the act feel better; unfortunately, i would guess an act of evil would have the opposite effect.

How or Why is Casey evil? I personally think it can be purely organic, purely environmental or anywhere on the scale between. She will be studied for the next 50 years.

In my personal experience, I have only met one person who was "born" evil. The rest were, in my opinion, "made" evil. I have only met one child that seemed to be "born wrong" and seemed scary evil. I would not have been surprised to learn that child had an organic default in her brain. Her parents were extremely kind and compassionate. I do not get the kind and compassionate vibe from Cindy in the least....


My main point is, casey's # 1 role model / influence would have been dear old mom.
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My stepdaughter is being raised by a mother that shares a lot of characteristics with Cindy with the exception of not being able to hold a job for more than 2 years (due to actions she takes in the workplace, actions based on her personality).I pray every day that she is able to survive her upbringingwith her mind and personality intact. She already exhibits narcissistic tendencies like her mother. I think Casey is a product of nature and nurture. Her inherited (genetic) characteristics, combined with the environment she grew up in created the person she is today. Someone else correctly called it "the perfect storm."
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