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Old 03-11-2009, 10:10 PM
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I searched for a photo and did find a picture of his brother Karl in their high school yearbook. But he's older than Vernon, so Vernon was not in there. Is anyone near Racine? If so, I wonder if the high school (St Catherine's) has a collection of yearbooks on hand. I think it would be around 1964 or so.

FYI, my search did find a St Cat's yearbook from 1962 (I think) on eBay but the sale ended a month ago without selling...
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:40 PM
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Patty Wetterling is Doubtful Vernon Seitz Killed Jacob


Milwaukee navite and loon, Vernon Seitz, aged 62 passed away this past December and with his death, police found some odd things including child pornography as well as maps and photos related to the Jacob wetterling case. Vernon Seitz told his psychiatrist that he killed two kids back in 1958 was going to confess to the murders. The psychiatrist called local authorities in Milwaukee las month but they did not have a chance to interview Seitz before he died.
Patty Wetterling is doubtful that Vernon Seitz is the killer and we may never know who killed Jacob Wetterling. As with many high profile adbuctions there are many leads and possible suspects but I think Patty Wetterling is right and should go with her gut feelings.
Kare 11 reporting that Vernon Seitz also had books on cannibalism, he's also a barber, weird. I wonder if he is related to Jeffrey Dahmer who also live in Milwaukee. No pictures of Vernon Seitz have been released but it would be interesting to see the pictures of Vernon Seitz related to sketches of the suspect in the Wetterling case.
Jacob was abducted from St. Joseph Minnesota on October 22, 1989.
http://www.mngossip.com/2009/01/patt...ul-vernon.html
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:41 PM
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LE can't ignore what was found. The findings speaks volumes.

500 pieces of evidence

http://*************.com/2009/01/11/...-seitz-part-i/
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Did you know Vernon Seitz?


Posted: Jan. 7, 2009Did you know Vernon Seitz? Did Vern the Barber cut your hair? Police dont believe theres anything to the stories he was telling, but wed like to know more about the man who was telling them. If you knew Seitz and would like to share what you know, e-mail us at jsmetro@journalsentinel.com or call us at 414-224-2318. Leave your phone number so we can contact you.

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Old 03-11-2009, 10:46 PM
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Possible Link Between Vernon Seitz Case and Daniel “Danny” Barter Missing Persons Case

On December 15, 2008, Vernon C. Seitz, 62 yr old white male is found Dead on Entry appearing to be of natural causes. On December 12, 2008, Dr. Victoria Fetter, Seitz’s licensed psychiatrist contacted MPD to discuss her patients intent to confess to a homicide he was forced to participate in, following an alleged abduction, sexual assault and torture by unknown subjects. Mr. Seitz states he and another victim were abducted while on a family outing to Racine Zoo on June 19, 1959. There is no report of this incident or any remotely similar incident on file and It is the opinion of MPD this never occurred . Upon reading initial press on this incident, I prepared my own investigative article provided below.

http://*************.com/2009/01/22/...-persons-case/

There is a pic at this link that may be seitz?
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LE can't ignore what was found. The findings speaks volumes.
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What is it that your saying? I think you had a posting glitch. That article was posted very early in this thread. Thank you for weighing in, I'm hopeful your opinion is progressive and look forward to hearing it.
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Post the school info belimom if you can, maybe someone's got it on here.

It will increase our chances anyway.. lol
The school is St Catherine's High School in Racine. On ancestry.com, I found a picture of Karl in the 1957 yearbook (and two other Seitz's, both females). But I could not find pictures of Vernon in that yearbook or anywhere else. There was an index in the back, but he wasn't listed. If he was born in 1946, then he probably didn't enter highschool until about 1960, graduating around 1964 (give or take a year).

What were his parents' names? In his obit/death notice, it mentions his brother, nieces, other family members, but not who his parents were. That would help on ancestry.com. Anyone know? TIA.
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Sorry for two back-to-back posts again... but I was searching again for a link between Vernon Seitz and Jacob Wetterling, and I came across a site where someone recently posted that they think their father abducted Jacob Wetterling... ... Anyone seen this before? If it's on another thread, I apologize...

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/child...rlings-case-22
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Sorry for two back-to-back posts again... but I was searching again for a link between Vernon Seitz and Jacob Wetterling, and I came across a site where someone recently posted that they think their father abducted Jacob Wetterling... ... Anyone seen this before? If it's on another thread, I apologize...

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/child...rlings-case-22
This isnt the dude running through town blaming dead people for issues?

( I am intentionally being vague, as if it is I am askeered to go to the link)

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This isnt the dude running through town blaming dead people for issues?

( I am intentionally being vague, as if it is I am askeered to go to the link)

TIA
Hmmm... not sure what you meant... sorry!
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I thought it interesting that in the early stages of search for Jacob Wetterling, police looking for a red Chevette found that the car probably belonged to an art student that was in the area looking for "something to sketch"..Did Seitz actually draw those images that were found or did someone else - maybe an art student????


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Now there's a thought dearmont!

It had been a while since I read that article but I recall the wording of that paragraph bugging me before. The car probably belonged... he called the police and told them.... his story was verified and police moved on.

I hate it when I doubt LE and the quality or thoroughness of a job they've done and it doesn't help when wording and phrasing like that is present in articles. I never know if it is bluntly precise or just chosen wording of a writer.

But you've got a point... I wonder if it is evident when assessing Seitz's sketches and drawings if they were likely done by the same hand.

I'll need to look and see if a description was given of the red car/art student guy. I am thinking there was a vague one?? Wonder if it fits Seitz at that time?

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I thought it interesting that in the early stages of search for Jacob Wetterling, police looking for a red Chevette found that the car probably belonged to an art student that was in the area looking for "something to sketch"..Did Seitz actually draw those images that were found or did someone else - maybe an art student????


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Hey!

Where did everyone go..You guys are good..!
I want to hear more.
Did you guys check with the Dept. of motor vehicles. Did he ever own or borrow a car.
Looking for (SOMETHING) to sketch..Now that is scary.
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I haven't heard anything more around here. We had another creepo that took over the news recently, so Vernon kind of got brushed under the rug.
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I haven't seen or heard anything more on this guy.

That wording gave me a chill, lilmisssleuth, "so Vernon kind of got brushed under the rug." ... so many of them do. Part of the problem I believe.
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It really is sad. There is always another sicko to take over headlines and so many just get forgotten.
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I just found this interesting link linking him to Danny Barter. There is also links on this page to the warrent information someone in this thread was looking for. There are the records of the pedophiles in seitz family there too. The link will not post but it is from Sacred Monkeys.
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I just found this. It's an inventory of the search warrent. http://www.4shared.com/file/80611635...0Warrant1.html
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Thanks rpipergirl. I think (think being the operative word, lol) that has been mentioned here before. If I'm not mistaken it was drivenon that first pointed it out that she was putting together a bit of info on it. I'm guessing she's someone we can't link to in websleuths.

I just checked to see if anything new had been posted regarding the possible link between Barter and Seitz... nothing new posted since mid-February - for those who had already read there.

I get an ill feeling that we're not going to hear much more, if anything at all, on Seitz.
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WEll the man being a barber would have quite a bit of access to boys. And to hair. BUt not really to shoes alone by themselves, and the cannibilism is really scary to me. You shouldnt find tufts of peoples hair around your place even if your doing barber work at home, its generally swept up and considered cut hair not tufts. Something not right or good about all of this. A barber would have a lot of customers and if they talked alot he could get plenty of info about them especially if they came in frequently.
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Hello all, first post I hope it's in the relevant place.

Some suggestions.. not like I expect them to be pursued or anything, but here they are:

There were cassette tapes found in Vernon Seitz's home, listed on the MPD's property receipt directly underneath his "manuscript". If these tapes have Vern's voice on them, wouldn't it be useful to select certain edits and play these for Jacob W's friend Aaron L. and brother Trevor W. so they could listen to this man's voice and give inv. a sense of whether it is familiar or not to them? Even if time has clouded their memory, if say, Vernon's voice was very very different and "high/nasal" whereas say the voice they perhaps remember from Oct. '89 was "low/deep/gruff" this could be at least an exclusionary element that could at least be examined to give inv. a sense of whether all this Vern business should be pursued to the max, however small, or not. (That is not to say he shouldn't be carefully looked at.. but perhaps he really was just a freakish wannabe treejumper, not THE treejumper the world is looking for with regard to little Jacob.)

For that matter have either of these two earwitnesses ever heard an example of Dan Rassier's voice for comparison?

25 years is a long time, too long for all of us who remember this.. with the anniversary coming up in October this could serve to remind the Wetterling family that all possible avenues are being looked at, and would serve to keep this case in the public's eyes and ears.

Also: It seems as if this video of Jacob pre-abduction may just be something this creep-o Vern hoarded as part of his obsession taped off-the-air. We can only assume the Wetterlings have seen it and clarified this. If it were in fact some pre-abduction reconnoiter or targeting tool, the Wetterling family would obviously recognize it wasn't anything any of them had created or taped.

Observations: The area has significantly changed with development in 25 years.. I have examined various USGS and satellite photos of scene of this abduction from the 80s and have the weirdest hunch: This perp perhaps knew these kids were heading up to the video store before they even left the Wetterling's home~ he watched them from the "rustling brush" the boys spoke about on their way to the Tom Thumb Video Store, and was all-too-ready for them when they returned. That's no coincidence period. Remember these boys twice called Mr. & Mrs. Wetterling (for permission) at a party prior to leaving their home to go rent a copy of Major League or Naked Gun. External to that house it would have been next-to-impossible to determine when these boys would be:

A- Home with no parents around,
and
B- They would be leaving the home alone.

This was a relatively rural area in 10/1989. Did this area have a "party-line" telephone in 1989? Treejumpers do not just randomly sit in rural ditches at 9pm waiting for their next victim for hours for no reason. My sense is there was some sort of intel pickup ongoing prior to the abduction. Either an intercept that exploited the "party-line" or some simple devices. These could be a "beige" used to tap into phone lines (which can be made quite simply from a junk phone in a pinch) and/or local AM/FM bugging of the home or localized telephone lines. In short, it seems unlikely that this goof would just sit and wait for boys or girls that fit his tastes to come randomly riding along. No way Jose. Without Telco charting from 1980s, or interviewing techs from that time, it would be very difficult to discern, but it appears from the lines in the area in 1989, the Wetterling's lines left their cul-de-sac and route North, along the same route.
Either he was onto a routine pattern these boys had established (unlikely, too much exposure~ time consuming) or he had direct info - there really aren't many other conceivable ways about it people. Supposition of above would indicate of course at least some degree of technical understanding on the part of the treejumper.

More- It should be noted that in 1989 Dan R's property was all-but parallel to, but somewhat hidden from.. these boys' route to and from the Tom Thumb convenience store. I.e. that is to say that starting from that ditch/crossroads, there are two routes to that store. One is the public road and the other route is to hook across Dan R's property. So, while unlikely, even if it wasn't Dan R., it would be a route the pedo took to "observe" them at the Tom Thumb as some people have claimed a stranger pressed their face to the window watching these kids. Also, by foot or by wheels, that area "looks" rural but has excellent egress routes to an interstate as well as a straight shot to a rail R.o.W. that cuts thru town, both to the North. It seems that in fact Dan R's property certainly was "busy" that night one way or the other.

Lastly- The whole story about being abducted and forced to shoot some kid during abuse smacks of the JG claims from the Johnny Gosch paperboy case. Did Vernon.. obsessive about missing kids' cases, glean that from the Gosch case or might it be the other way around somehow? He was supposedly telling his mental health specialist this story for the better part of 11 years.

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